old timers look here must be 50+ years only
12-17-2014, 11:22 AM
#476
Thread Starter
Hound dog
I think I have been to that shop in phoenix, (My wifes hometown.)...... More fathers need to do the same for there kids while they can. kids have a way of hitting puberty and.............REMEMBER?
I have some vhs tapes of flying I need to upgrade to dvd's. glad you mentioned them. be good to post here.
AMA 74894
Good pic's It is a family thing, your A blessed man. It don't matter if it's a foamy or not when dad and son...........
Flypaper2
Now that's is what I like to see. The look on those faces, the future looks a bit brighter.
I think I have been to that shop in phoenix, (My wifes hometown.)...... More fathers need to do the same for there kids while they can. kids have a way of hitting puberty and.............REMEMBER?
I have some vhs tapes of flying I need to upgrade to dvd's. glad you mentioned them. be good to post here.
AMA 74894
Good pic's It is a family thing, your A blessed man. It don't matter if it's a foamy or not when dad and son...........
Flypaper2
Now that's is what I like to see. The look on those faces, the future looks a bit brighter.
12-17-2014, 11:36 AM
#477
Thread Starter
Its not the kids guys its the parents. None of them have time to invest in their young. Its easier to get them into a sport and have someone else do all the work you just have to drive them there and watch. With modeling at some point the parent must get involved helping to build/repair and set up the model. Then they have to drive to the field wait while the youngster goes through the lessons then drive home. Later once they have their wings the parent has to pony up with a lift every time the kid wants to fly. In my experience the success stories always involve the parent and child doing this together. If the parent has no interest it usually doesn't work out no mater how enthusiastic the child is. Even had one mother try and drop her kid off with a cell phone and call her when he was ready to go. She was most upset when told we were not a babysitting service.
Years ago as a scout/cub leader around this time of year we had mothers who would drop their kids off for a meeting then think nothing of showing up an hour late to pick them up. After all they were Christmas shopping and didn't think we would mind them being a bit late. One in particular though it pretty rude we had the audacity to object to her habit of showing up late to pick her kid up and complained to district about it.
I used to fly in the park next to my house with the smallest park flyers on the calmest days. I had a hand full of the Air Hogs and when a few kids gathered around I would let them have fun with the Air Hogs and keep my rc stuff on the ground. Without fail parents would wander by and ask the typical questions about the rc stuff. How much, how hard, could my child do this. I would ask them to monitor the kids and put on a flight demo or two then would try and answer their questions. Except for the odd one every time I explained the time and effort one might expect expend with the child to be successful the refrain was always the same. I have x amount of other children I can't spend that much time on just one.
Dennis
Years ago as a scout/cub leader around this time of year we had mothers who would drop their kids off for a meeting then think nothing of showing up an hour late to pick them up. After all they were Christmas shopping and didn't think we would mind them being a bit late. One in particular though it pretty rude we had the audacity to object to her habit of showing up late to pick her kid up and complained to district about it.
I used to fly in the park next to my house with the smallest park flyers on the calmest days. I had a hand full of the Air Hogs and when a few kids gathered around I would let them have fun with the Air Hogs and keep my rc stuff on the ground. Without fail parents would wander by and ask the typical questions about the rc stuff. How much, how hard, could my child do this. I would ask them to monitor the kids and put on a flight demo or two then would try and answer their questions. Except for the odd one every time I explained the time and effort one might expect expend with the child to be successful the refrain was always the same. I have x amount of other children I can't spend that much time on just one.
Dennis
12-17-2014, 11:55 AM
#478
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgRWQ9whhC4 Hope this comes up correctly, it's worth watching. I'm not a scale builder, last real scale plane I built was for a customer and he did the final touches. Came out really well but nothing like some of these. Every time I built myself a nice stand off scale plane it never seemed to last long.
Crapola, it came out as not available. It's an old AMA video from 97 and really a good one. Sorry.
Crapola, it came out as not available. It's an old AMA video from 97 and really a good one. Sorry.
Last edited by Gray Beard; 12-17-2014 at 12:01 PM.
12-17-2014, 11:55 AM
#479
Senior Member
You guys are costing me more than you know! Sitting on an order to Balsa USA, my rough guess, $150, Just called the LHS, 3 new K&B 4012s, $150 then the parts to covert them to 4011 from K&B,another $70. After all that, down to the basement and turn out a bunch of prop washers, I don't like what you get from K&B now, I like the old style they don't sell anymore. Just cause you guys keep talking about the goodies, now I gotta build like hell all winter. But I gotta admit, about $70 each for new K&B .40's ain't bad. It's going to be new for me, instead of buying what someone else broke and fixing it, I'll be the one selling the busted stuff to someone else. I've got a box of old engines, bought them off another guy that decided he wanted to captain a fishing boat instead of flying. Junque might describe a lot of it. Some worth the time and expense, some not. Sure beats scrounging old stuff to fly with.
Rich.
Rich.
12-17-2014, 11:59 AM
#480
My Feedback: (-1)
You guys are costing me more than you know! Sitting on an order to Balsa USA, my rough guess, $150, Just called the LHS, 3 new K&B 4012s, $150 then the parts to covert them to 4011 from K&B,another $70. After all that, down to the basement and turn out a bunch of prop washers, I don't like what you get from K&B now, I like the old style they don't sell anymore. Just cause you guys keep talking about the goodies, now I gotta build like hell all winter. But I gotta admit, about $70 each for new K&B .40's ain't bad. It's going to be new for me, instead of buying what someone else broke and fixing it, I'll be the one selling the busted stuff to someone else. I've got a box of old engines, bought them off another guy that decided he wanted to captain a fishing boat instead of flying. Junque might describe a lot of it. Some worth the time and expense, some not. Sure beats scrounging old stuff to fly with.
Rich.
Rich.
12-17-2014, 12:27 PM
#481
I could not agree more 'it's the parents, not the kids' I look at it this way: My Parents spent a GREAT deal of time with my sib's and me. we all learned a very long time ago it's the TIME and not the THINGS that are important.
it's my Job to pass that along to my Son. for me that's even more important than how well he does in school. (I got fortunate there too... doggone kid does algebra in his head and gets A's...)
i really think I'd be more worried about the future, except that I DO remember that things back then were certainly not perfect (even though in our collective heads it seems so)
just recently I was thumbing through some old american aircraft modeler magazines... (remember THOSE????
)
there was a letter to the editor where a guy was complaining about how things at his field have changed...
"What's happened to craftsmanship?? when I go to the field these days, there's nothing but KIT AIRPLANES!!!! everywhere I looked there was nothing but Falcons and a Taurus here and there.. all covered with that plastic iron on junk... they all look the SAME!!! doesn't anyone use plans, silk and dope anymore????"
the more things change, the more they stay the same
I also must admit: I help him out when he gets to a brick wall on a video game time spent with my kid is time WELL spent, no matter what we do
it's my Job to pass that along to my Son. for me that's even more important than how well he does in school. (I got fortunate there too... doggone kid does algebra in his head and gets A's...)
i really think I'd be more worried about the future, except that I DO remember that things back then were certainly not perfect (even though in our collective heads it seems so)
just recently I was thumbing through some old american aircraft modeler magazines... (remember THOSE????
) there was a letter to the editor where a guy was complaining about how things at his field have changed...
"What's happened to craftsmanship?? when I go to the field these days, there's nothing but KIT AIRPLANES!!!! everywhere I looked there was nothing but Falcons and a Taurus here and there.. all covered with that plastic iron on junk... they all look the SAME!!! doesn't anyone use plans, silk and dope anymore????"
the more things change, the more they stay the same
I also must admit: I help him out when he gets to a brick wall on a video game
time spent with my kid is time WELL spent, no matter what we do
12-17-2014, 12:33 PM
#482
Way to go get'um young and start them off right! My father spent most of his time working and my hobby experience was self taught but I asked questions at the LHS, etc and I think I did OK. My flying is nothing to brag about but I only have to please myself and be safe doing it!
12-17-2014, 01:04 PM
#483
Senior Member
Rich.
12-17-2014, 04:14 PM
#485
It's why I now prefer to play my sax.
12-17-2014, 06:11 PM
#486
Thread Starter
It was said in a earlier post "the more things change the more they stay the same" I Gotta agre with that. The only thing I can think that may help is to lead by example and pray for the best.
I just came down from my shop where I found a bunch of old pictures, some of which show what I have spoke about in earlier post I wonder now when I get the pics scanned if I should go back and modify the old post or write new ones.
I got pictures of my son when he was about ten or so working on a plane. that' thirty some years ago, Man you guys is gettin old. Gotta get my scanner warmed up.
I just came down from my shop where I found a bunch of old pictures, some of which show what I have spoke about in earlier post I wonder now when I get the pics scanned if I should go back and modify the old post or write new ones.
I got pictures of my son when he was about ten or so working on a plane. that' thirty some years ago, Man you guys is gettin old. Gotta get my scanner warmed up.
12-17-2014, 07:57 PM
#488
Senior Member
Rich.
12-17-2014, 08:19 PM
#489
Senior Member
Just for grins, this gal is Antoinette Ardizzone. Before you click on the link, try to figure out what her stage name is. Great sound from the late fifties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6QbYyGejSA
Rich.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6QbYyGejSA
Rich.
12-18-2014, 05:47 AM
#490
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The Days of Ambroid & Tissue Paper.Everything Flew Many Flying Wings Built from Crashed Planes.Must have had 10 Planes Hanging from Basement Wall! Flight Streak,Shoestring Control Line Stuff! Chicken Sticks for Starting?
12-18-2014, 07:25 AM
#492
12-18-2014, 08:30 AM
#493
In my combat days, I loved my chicken stick. A rubber hose with a dowel glued inside of it. On the Fox, you put a drop or 2 of fuel in the exhaust port, rotate counter clockwise up against compression, install glow igniter clip, smack hard backwards with that stick, and off it went. One flip starts every time!
12-18-2014, 08:39 AM
#494
In my combat days, I loved my chicken stick. A rubber hose with a dowel glued inside of it. On the Fox, you put a drop or 2 of fuel in the exhaust port, rotate counter clockwise up against compression, install glow igniter clip, smack hard backwards with that stick, and off it went. One flip starts every time!
12-18-2014, 10:49 AM
#495
Senior Member
I never used a chicken stick, got my fingers spanked a time or two then learned how to get them out of the way before the prop came around. With the K&B 40's, that's when I went to the starter, never could flip it fast enough to get them to start. But once they were running, never had a single problem with them.
Gave up winter flying, anyone that will go to a large, open field, then let the engine club their cold, alcohol wet fingers, then stand with that ice cold box in their hands, come back and say how much fun they had will lie about anything.
Rich.
Gave up winter flying, anyone that will go to a large, open field, then let the engine club their cold, alcohol wet fingers, then stand with that ice cold box in their hands, come back and say how much fun they had will lie about anything.
Rich.
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12-18-2014, 01:14 PM
#498
Yup, I lie every chance I get - today I lied for 8 flights each, 2 planes, 48 degree (9c) ...
AND LOVED EVERY LYING MINUTE OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!
No, really, seriously - some of us just never get smart enough to come in from the cold. Shoot, that's half the fun of it - bragging rights (or, my wife asserts it's just my stupidity). Doesn't matter, it's fun.
12-18-2014, 01:41 PM
#499
Senior Member
Temperature here today, 28F. WInds from the southwest about five to ten, but out at the field, that's going to be constant. Don't get me wrong, I love winter. I just love looking outside and giving thanks that I don't have to go out there.
Rich.
Rich.