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12-27-2015, 10:11 AM
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Well again,, yes and no,, DUI check points pull you over for no reason,, and have been ruled constitutional as long as they stop everyone who comes by and don't "select" those to pull over,, so as long as the police check everyone,, yes they can stop you without cause.
12-27-2015, 10:25 AM
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Like others have said,, I think the whole story on HF is BS,, I seriously doubt LEOs are going to come to our club unless they want to learn to fly,, but time will tell,, speculating wildly over ridiculous scenarios is pointless.
12-27-2015, 10:53 AM
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my bad, was it 6-3,, cool,, your statement was still wrong wasn't it,, but heck,, what does the truth matter to some guys these days anyway..
Like others have said,, I think the whole story on HF is BS,, I seriously doubt LEOs are going to come to our club unless they want to learn to fly,, but time will tell,, speculating wildly over ridiculous scenarios is pointless.
Like others have said,, I think the whole story on HF is BS,, I seriously doubt LEOs are going to come to our club unless they want to learn to fly,, but time will tell,, speculating wildly over ridiculous scenarios is pointless.
The story on HF took a while to unfold, it wasn't BS, just the way it was initially postured. Turns out the guy was flying in a school yard while school was in session. Of course he didn't say that right away, it sort of had to be dragged out of him by his own fellow posters who smelled something not quite right with his story. The end result...he had no absolute "right" to be doing what he was doing, and did the smart thing in putting his heli down and speaking to the LE who showed up. Of course rather than learn from that experience, he wanted to cast himself as the great downtrodden, his "rights' being trampled on and such. Knowing full well someone would come along and glom on to the story and try to spin it, hoping more "sheeple" would buy into it. Fail!
12-27-2015, 03:11 PM
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Somehow, I just have this gut feeling the original message posted about having a cop ask for his registration number is just an over active imagination. This no reason in the world why any law enforcement officer, at any level, local, sheriff, or state police would stop and ask for your registration number. 99% of the local level law enforcement officers don't even know about this registration B/S anyway.
12-27-2015, 03:34 PM
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I was flying at a park a year ago and someone called the police stating I was "filming everybody" with my "Drone" (the park was empty as you can see)
A local police car arrived and a lone Sergeant approached me, he was smiling and friendly, didn't even ask for my name or ID, he told me the only reason he responded to the call is because he flies RC also and wanted to see what I was flying.
After a friendly chat he confirmed it was fine to keep flying and he went on his way.
I am sure there is at least one LEO in the USA who flys RC and wants to test the 24 hour FAA hotline for registration confirmation. I was an Officer for 23 years in the NSW State Police Force, I saw many young and keen officers who would make it a point to test new legislation the first day it was enacted.
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12-27-2015, 04:04 PM
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Somehow, I just have this gut feeling the original message posted about having a cop ask for his registration number is just an over active imagination. This no reason in the world why any law enforcement officer, at any level, local, sheriff, or state police would stop and ask for your registration number. 99% of the local level law enforcement officers don't even know about this registration B/S anyway.
And now you know, the rest of the story...GOOD DAY? ( I miss his reports).
12-28-2015, 03:26 AM
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If you want to see the FAA's position this is the complete document. To the right side of this webpage you will find a link to comment on this IFR (interim final rule). Comment period is only open for roughly two more weeks. I strongly encourage every modeler to participate.
After reading this document it looks like the FAA believes the registration of all model aircraft is not contrary to the provisions of Public Law 112-95 Section 336.
If you read the 336 bit alone it doesn't present the full story, nor the current position of the FAA. I now understand why the AMA is fighting the FAA.
https://www.federalregister.gov/arti...anned-aircraft
After reading this document it looks like the FAA believes the registration of all model aircraft is not contrary to the provisions of Public Law 112-95 Section 336.
If you read the 336 bit alone it doesn't present the full story, nor the current position of the FAA. I now understand why the AMA is fighting the FAA.
https://www.federalregister.gov/arti...anned-aircraft
12-28-2015, 05:26 AM
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If you want to see the FAA's position this is the complete document. To the right side of this webpage you will find a link to comment on this IFR (interim final rule). Comment period is only open for roughly two more weeks. I strongly encourage every modeler to participate.
After reading this document it looks like the FAA believes the registration of all model aircraft is not contrary to the provisions of Public Law 112-95 Section 336.
If you read the 336 bit alone it doesn't present the full story, nor the current position of the FAA. I now understand why the AMA is fighting the FAA.
https://www.federalregister.gov/arti...anned-aircraft
After reading this document it looks like the FAA believes the registration of all model aircraft is not contrary to the provisions of Public Law 112-95 Section 336.
If you read the 336 bit alone it doesn't present the full story, nor the current position of the FAA. I now understand why the AMA is fighting the FAA.
https://www.federalregister.gov/arti...anned-aircraft
Do you understand why we are required to register as well?
12-28-2015, 06:27 AM
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my bad, was it 6-3,, cool,, your statement was still wrong wasn't it,, but heck,, what does the truth matter to some guys these days anyway..
Like others have said,, I think the whole story on HF is BS,, I seriously doubt LEOs are going to come to our club unless they want to learn to fly,, but time will tell,, speculating wildly over ridiculous scenarios is pointless.
Like others have said,, I think the whole story on HF is BS,, I seriously doubt LEOs are going to come to our club unless they want to learn to fly,, but time will tell,, speculating wildly over ridiculous scenarios is pointless.
Did anyone else get pulled over this weekend while flying ?
12-28-2015, 09:24 AM
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I made no sa comments toward you because you didn't know how many justices are on the supreme court ! My statements are correct but it's pointless to try and explain it further to you or Tom or anyone else who just enjoys arguing instead of discussing ,and pronounces their judgement on almost every thread.
Did anyone else get pulled over this weekend while flying ?
Did anyone else get pulled over this weekend while flying ?
12-28-2015, 03:00 PM
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Well I have my opinions as do others and I'll say that my experience with the FAA being a Commercial Licensed pilot and A&P Mechanic, that they are really only interested in paperwork with an occasional, and I mean very rarely, a ramp check.
They have an authority over folks with licenses they can revoke, so those folks who are cited have no recourse but to comply. The general public does not have to comply with FAA directives. They don't have the same kind of horsepower the EPA or DHS have to make their rules stick. There have already been challenges to FAA fines concerning the operation of "drones", none of which that I'm aware of, have resulted in anything more than a rebuke of the FAA. The one about the guy flying is Quad right down the main walkway of a major university (sorry I don't remember which one) where the FAA fined the guy $10,000.00 got tossed by the administrative law judge. Even the "dictate" says you can challenge the FAA by appealing to an administrative law Judge.
The last part I find interesting, is that DHS says State and Local Law Enforcement can't enforce Federal Law, how can they do it with this "Federal Law".
And last, State and Local Law enforcement have much better things to do with their time and short staffing than chasing errant "Drones" with no "cause" and for which the FAA isn't going to pay them.
Just a few of my thoughts.....
They have an authority over folks with licenses they can revoke, so those folks who are cited have no recourse but to comply. The general public does not have to comply with FAA directives. They don't have the same kind of horsepower the EPA or DHS have to make their rules stick. There have already been challenges to FAA fines concerning the operation of "drones", none of which that I'm aware of, have resulted in anything more than a rebuke of the FAA. The one about the guy flying is Quad right down the main walkway of a major university (sorry I don't remember which one) where the FAA fined the guy $10,000.00 got tossed by the administrative law judge. Even the "dictate" says you can challenge the FAA by appealing to an administrative law Judge.
The last part I find interesting, is that DHS says State and Local Law Enforcement can't enforce Federal Law, how can they do it with this "Federal Law".
And last, State and Local Law enforcement have much better things to do with their time and short staffing than chasing errant "Drones" with no "cause" and for which the FAA isn't going to pay them.
Just a few of my thoughts.....
12-28-2015, 05:36 PM
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I'm a teacher. And flying while school is in session is dangerous. Especially with all the bombings and shootings of late. I can't blame the school for calling the situation in. They are responsible for the children's well being as well as hours. Now, having said that; I was flying my planes at a local school parking lot in the summer. No children. As I was putting my planes on the ground behind my car, along came a police officer. He had his window down, so I said "Good Morning!" He smiled and said "Good Morning!" back to me as he drove by.
Another case is while flying in an undeveloped subdivision, there were houses about 2 miles at the back of the subdivision. I was at the front where there were no houses, just the streets. An officer came by and said somebody called in because people were dumping their garbage in the empty lots. When I showed her what I was doing, she said it was fine. She would radio her partners and let them know I was here and that I wasn't dumping garbage. I even let her pick up my Wildcat to show her how light they were. She was amazed. Sometimes all you have to do is educate. She left and said "have a nice time." My point: All you have to do is smile, and talk cordially. She didn't even bother to ask for ID's. And if she did, I would have gladly shown them to her. I've got nothing to hide. Do you???? ;-)
Another case is while flying in an undeveloped subdivision, there were houses about 2 miles at the back of the subdivision. I was at the front where there were no houses, just the streets. An officer came by and said somebody called in because people were dumping their garbage in the empty lots. When I showed her what I was doing, she said it was fine. She would radio her partners and let them know I was here and that I wasn't dumping garbage. I even let her pick up my Wildcat to show her how light they were. She was amazed. Sometimes all you have to do is educate. She left and said "have a nice time." My point: All you have to do is smile, and talk cordially. She didn't even bother to ask for ID's. And if she did, I would have gladly shown them to her. I've got nothing to hide. Do you???? ;-)
12-28-2015, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
I'm a teacher. And flying while school is in session is dangerous. Especially with all the bombings and shootings of late. I can't blame the school for calling the situation in. They are responsible for the children's well being as well as hours. Now, having said that; I was flying my planes at a local school parking lot in the summer. No children. As I was putting my planes on the ground behind my car, along came a police officer. He had his window down, so I said "Good Morning!" He smiled and said "Good Morning!" back to me as he drove by.
Another case is while flying in an undeveloped subdivision, there were houses about 2 miles at the back of the subdivision. I was at the front where there were no houses, just the streets. An officer came by and said somebody called in because people were dumping their garbage in the empty lots. When I showed her what I was doing, she said it was fine. She would radio her partners and let them know I was here and that I wasn't dumping garbage. I even let her pick up my Wildcat to show her how light they were. She was amazed. Sometimes all you have to do is educate. She left and said "have a nice time." My point: All you have to do is smile, and talk cordially. She didn't even bother to ask for ID's. And if she did, I would have gladly shown them to her. I've got nothing to hide. Do you???? ;-)
Another case is while flying in an undeveloped subdivision, there were houses about 2 miles at the back of the subdivision. I was at the front where there were no houses, just the streets. An officer came by and said somebody called in because people were dumping their garbage in the empty lots. When I showed her what I was doing, she said it was fine. She would radio her partners and let them know I was here and that I wasn't dumping garbage. I even let her pick up my Wildcat to show her how light they were. She was amazed. Sometimes all you have to do is educate. She left and said "have a nice time." My point: All you have to do is smile, and talk cordially. She didn't even bother to ask for ID's. And if she did, I would have gladly shown them to her. I've got nothing to hide. Do you???? ;-)
12-28-2015, 06:07 PM
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What a great approach to take. A few minutes of civility rather than a moment of "I know my rights". Getting those not in the hobby more involved is a great idea too, as a teacher you probably know many adults are visual learners, and getting their hands on something and seeing how it works is for more valuable than just talking about it. What grade do you teach?
12-28-2015, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
I'm a teacher. And flying while school is in session is dangerous. Especially with all the bombings and shootings of late. I can't blame the school for calling the situation in. They are responsible for the children's well being as well as hours. Now, having said that; I was flying my planes at a local school parking lot in the summer. No children. As I was putting my planes on the ground behind my car, along came a police officer. He had his window down, so I said "Good Morning!" He smiled and said "Good Morning!" back to me as he drove by.
Another case is while flying in an undeveloped subdivision, there were houses about 2 miles at the back of the subdivision. I was at the front where there were no houses, just the streets. An officer came by and said somebody called in because people were dumping their garbage in the empty lots. When I showed her what I was doing, she said it was fine. She would radio her partners and let them know I was here and that I wasn't dumping garbage. I even let her pick up my Wildcat to show her how light they were. She was amazed. Sometimes all you have to do is educate. She left and said "have a nice time." My point: All you have to do is smile, and talk cordially. She didn't even bother to ask for ID's. And if she did, I would have gladly shown them to her. I've got nothing to hide. Do you???? ;-)
Another case is while flying in an undeveloped subdivision, there were houses about 2 miles at the back of the subdivision. I was at the front where there were no houses, just the streets. An officer came by and said somebody called in because people were dumping their garbage in the empty lots. When I showed her what I was doing, she said it was fine. She would radio her partners and let them know I was here and that I wasn't dumping garbage. I even let her pick up my Wildcat to show her how light they were. She was amazed. Sometimes all you have to do is educate. She left and said "have a nice time." My point: All you have to do is smile, and talk cordially. She didn't even bother to ask for ID's. And if she did, I would have gladly shown them to her. I've got nothing to hide. Do you???? ;-)
12-28-2015, 06:52 PM
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Nothing surprising there. Expect to see "horror" stories very soon as well.
The best part of that link is the response from some of the more level headed folks who say stay calm, follow the officers directions, and do as your told. At least there is something good to take from this. Of course, others will say that's being a coward, or "sheeple", but well..tis better to drive yourself home rather than getting cuffed and stuffed.
The best part of that link is the response from some of the more level headed folks who say stay calm, follow the officers directions, and do as your told. At least there is something good to take from this. Of course, others will say that's being a coward, or "sheeple", but well..tis better to drive yourself home rather than getting cuffed and stuffed.
12-28-2015, 07:09 PM
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The op in that thread panicked and gave the leo way more info than he needed to give and added more drama in his post than need be. Nothing but a sky-is-falling post.
It is unconstitutional for a leo to pull you aside and ask for your id ,unless you were breaking a law.
It is unconstitutional for a leo to pull you aside and ask for your id ,unless you were breaking a law.
Whatever the circumstances, you are legally required to comply and the cop is not legally obligated to explain to you why he is requesting your ID. Out of politeness, he SHOULD (circumstances allowing) explain to you why he wants to see your ID if you (politely) challenge the request...however he is not required to do so.
I'm not a cop, but I do have law enforcement members in my family who I care about and I hate to see people spreading misinformation on this topic.