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10-22-2003, 09:21 PM
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RE: 3D flying
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This is for IMAA members. Is 3D flying hurting participation in IMAA Events
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This is for IMAA members. Is 3D flying hurting participation in IMAA Events
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Just to be unbiased in our expectations of the anticipated answer.
10-22-2003, 09:31 PM
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RE: 3D flying
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I understand both sides of a question, But all IMAA events I attended in 2003
were down in participation.
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I understand both sides of a question, But all IMAA events I attended in 2003
were down in participation.
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10-22-2003, 09:40 PM
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RE: 3D flying
AS an event director, I got a lot of complaints about hovering aircraft in the flight pattern. Why most fixed wing aircraft pilots do not want helicopters in the air while flying.
10-22-2003, 09:45 PM
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RE: 3D flying
Well, if you got a lot of complaints wouldn't that indicate that 3D wasn't a welcome addition to the IMAA fly-ins you attended?? I've never seem any helicopters at an IMAA fly-in...could it be that this is a derogatory term for 3D flying??
10-22-2003, 10:07 PM
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RE: 3D flying
OK, thanks for helping me understand the question better.
So you, as an event director, field complaints from the members of IMAA fly-ins regarding 3D pilots hovering over the runway.
Pretty simple sentence, really. Could have just said so.
How about having a pilots meeting where you outline the traffic pattern to be flown, lay down a few ground rules concerning 3D flight, and then see what the feedback from the pilots is?? If there are a majority complaining, make a ruling. If a majority don't complain, carry on. If 3D flying upsets you, or a number of the pilots, to the point where you consider the planes to be helicopters, just say so.
You will have no trouble stimulating a discussion over pilots hovering over the runway, just come right on out and say it.
Take care and have fun!!
So you, as an event director, field complaints from the members of IMAA fly-ins regarding 3D pilots hovering over the runway.
Pretty simple sentence, really. Could have just said so.
How about having a pilots meeting where you outline the traffic pattern to be flown, lay down a few ground rules concerning 3D flight, and then see what the feedback from the pilots is?? If there are a majority complaining, make a ruling. If a majority don't complain, carry on. If 3D flying upsets you, or a number of the pilots, to the point where you consider the planes to be helicopters, just say so.
You will have no trouble stimulating a discussion over pilots hovering over the runway, just come right on out and say it.
Take care and have fun!!
10-22-2003, 10:27 PM
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RE: 3D flying
I separated the 3D flying from other flying, no problem. My concern is the downward trend in participation in IMAA events. And 3D flying could be one of the problems. I enjoy the gathering of giant size aircraft to fly for fun with no competition. Hope to hear from other IMAA members.
10-22-2003, 10:51 PM
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RE: 3D flying
No problems from me, Denis..the only 3 IMAA legal planes I have flying are not 3D craft. There has just been a multitude of posts regarding 3D flight, I wanted to see if you had some hidden agenda behind the structuring of your original post.
The only thing I find puzzling is with the explosion in the number of IMAA-sized 3D craft, why the numbers at IMAA events would be dwindling. Could it possibly be a shortcoming of the way IMAA events are structured that is responsible for the reduced attendance?? Just seems strange that the attendance would be going down while this amazing growth in IMAA-sized planes is taking place.
Good luck in your research.
The only thing I find puzzling is with the explosion in the number of IMAA-sized 3D craft, why the numbers at IMAA events would be dwindling. Could it possibly be a shortcoming of the way IMAA events are structured that is responsible for the reduced attendance?? Just seems strange that the attendance would be going down while this amazing growth in IMAA-sized planes is taking place.
Good luck in your research.
10-22-2003, 11:44 PM
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RE: 3D flying
Well Chuck, mind if I take it the next step? Maybe if it were not for those pesky pilots who just want to fly in circles in the "pattern" making the 3D pilots feel unwelcome, attendance at these events might go up instead of down.
As a CD Denis, why not make it clear from the get go that all types of flying will be welcome and times set aside to meet everyones desires. This could be stated in any published notices promoting the event.
Where's Joe Looney?
As a CD Denis, why not make it clear from the get go that all types of flying will be welcome and times set aside to meet everyones desires. This could be stated in any published notices promoting the event.
Where's Joe Looney?
10-23-2003, 12:56 AM
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Are these "true" IMAA events you are talking about? I've been to several local events in addition to my club's that are "Giant Scale" but not IMAA-sanctioned. In my opinion there is no need for IMAA any more, and I wouldn't pay the additional IMAA fee just to fly at an IMAA event. As far as "giant scale" events go, I haven't noticed much change in numbers. Everyone seems to get along too, no matter what they are flying.
10-23-2003, 04:56 AM
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RE: 3D flying
They tend to take over the sky and drive others away. the attitude I have percieved is that they percieve themselves the center nof attention and have hurt our show
10-23-2003, 07:11 AM
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RE: 3D flying
As originally conceived the IMAA was a good idea.
An IMAA event would be a place for all Giant Scale builders to meet and exchange ideas and show off their lastest creation.
Nowadays these size aircraft are more the norm than the exception and there is no need for these specialized events since these large aircraft are at all fly ins.
An IMAA event would be a place for all Giant Scale builders to meet and exchange ideas and show off their lastest creation.
Nowadays these size aircraft are more the norm than the exception and there is no need for these specialized events since these large aircraft are at all fly ins.
10-23-2003, 08:00 AM
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I think it's not due to 3D but in the way the event is ran. I've been to four events this season and at each event, the CD had areas marked off for 3D flying so that it would not interfere with guys flying pattern. It was quite easy, and everyone had a good time. Violators were treated the same as if the overflew the pits. All it takes is a little control on the CD's part to plan so that all types of flying can be done without jeopardizing safety or the integrity of the relationships between flyers.
10-23-2003, 09:21 AM
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RE: 3D flying
Well Denis why not put your theory to the test and promote your event as a NO 3D event and see what kind of turnout you get.
This whole argument seems to be an old school vs. new school debate where some want things the way they used to be. With changing technology the hobby is moving forward and new flying styles have emerged that attract younger flyers. Flying fields and events need to change with the times if they want to keep a majority of pilots happy. Of course there will always be some that can't be pleased no matter what.
This whole argument seems to be an old school vs. new school debate where some want things the way they used to be. With changing technology the hobby is moving forward and new flying styles have emerged that attract younger flyers. Flying fields and events need to change with the times if they want to keep a majority of pilots happy. Of course there will always be some that can't be pleased no matter what.
10-23-2003, 11:31 AM
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RE: 3D flying
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Your making my case on declining IMAA membership
Your making my case on declining IMAA membership
10-23-2003, 05:43 PM
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RE: 3D flying
At this years Bomber Field Gathering of the B-17's Big Bird event, 3D flying was not permitted. It was not a IMAA event as it has been in the past. In the advertisment and the invitations, there was a line, "...all aircraft must be flown in the standard pattern, unless otherwise requested..."
The warbirds turned out in force and it was largest event they have ever had.
This event did not want 3D planes. The only one that flew was during a demo and many complained about that.
I am sure we will see 3D only events in the very near future.
The Profile Brotherhood has 3D events. The name is the Profile Brotherhood, however that does not mean only profile planes are allowed to fly.
In March of 2004, there will be a Pro Bro event called the Houston Hoverfest, in Houston, Texas. A 3D only event. If you want to fly in a circle pattern, this will not be the event for you to attend.
Rule #1 at a Pro Bro event is: No Complaining!
The warbirds turned out in force and it was largest event they have ever had.
This event did not want 3D planes. The only one that flew was during a demo and many complained about that.
I am sure we will see 3D only events in the very near future.
The Profile Brotherhood has 3D events. The name is the Profile Brotherhood, however that does not mean only profile planes are allowed to fly.
In March of 2004, there will be a Pro Bro event called the Houston Hoverfest, in Houston, Texas. A 3D only event. If you want to fly in a circle pattern, this will not be the event for you to attend.
Rule #1 at a Pro Bro event is: No Complaining!