Fiberglassing a Byron Hellcat
10-29-2010, 03:57 PM
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Fiberglassing a Byron Hellcat
Hi I really need Help Fiberglassing a Byron Originals F6F Hellcat. What I need to know is... 1.What do I use on the wood to seal it?. 2. What oz cloth do I use? 3. What do I use with the Fiberglass?, all of which need to work with spray paint. I don't have an airbrush,so I don't want to use paint for automobiles. . It scares me..I don't want my wings to "wave." Thanks for any help on this. Steve
10-31-2010, 05:56 PM
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RE: Fiberglassing a Byron Hellcat
Hi Steve,
what I would do is: sand the model and apply the fiberglass with finishing resin. You can use .5 or .75 oz cloth. If you want spray paint I recommend you lustrekote, or 21sr century.
good luck with your project.
what I would do is: sand the model and apply the fiberglass with finishing resin. You can use .5 or .75 oz cloth. If you want spray paint I recommend you lustrekote, or 21sr century.
good luck with your project.
11-01-2010, 06:43 AM
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RE: Fiberglassing a Byron Hellcat
I would recommend you visit the Pattern forums... regular and electric. These folks have developed very lightweight finishing systems that you would find beneficial... The most popular thread is about a Black Magic VF3 build... the designer of this plane, Mike Hester, goes through his finishing methods in great deal...
I'm certain that in the scale or warbirds forums, similar threads have been posted as well.
I'm certain that in the scale or warbirds forums, similar threads have been posted as well.
11-01-2010, 06:14 PM
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RE: Fiberglassing a Byron Hellcat
The Byron kit has a polyester fiberglass fuse and foam wings and tail. It's the foam peices that need fiberglassing as some strength is needed. If I recall, Byron did state that the foam surfaces could be covered in Econokote but I have never seen any done in such a manner.
First off, you need a good quality epoxy resin. The use of anything else will dissolve the foam. West systems is most readily available and you will need to use the slow hardener. It is a 5 to 1 mix ratio and it is very inportant to be very accurate when mixing. This would apply to any epoxy system. Because you are going strait over foam, I would suggest heavier cloth then .75 oz. 1.5 to 2 oz will give the strength and dent resistance needed.
Clean the surfaces well with dish soap and water. When completly dry, drape the cloth over the surface and smooth out. Mix about 4 oz total of resin and pour a small amount to the center of the surface. With a playing card squeegee the resin outward. Take your time and let the resin saturate the cloth as you go. Try not to use too much. You will be surprised how far a little will go.
Let cure for 48 hours at a temp no less then 65 degrees, trim the excess and lightly feather sand and cover the opposite side in the same manner.
Prep for paint should be a light sanding with 220 grit followed by spray can laquer primer. It is important that all foam be covered with glass and epoxy before primer as the primer will dissolve any exposed foam. When satisfied with the primer finish you can spray with Rust-oleum and for that scale finish clear with matte finish Lusterkote.
First off, you need a good quality epoxy resin. The use of anything else will dissolve the foam. West systems is most readily available and you will need to use the slow hardener. It is a 5 to 1 mix ratio and it is very inportant to be very accurate when mixing. This would apply to any epoxy system. Because you are going strait over foam, I would suggest heavier cloth then .75 oz. 1.5 to 2 oz will give the strength and dent resistance needed.
Clean the surfaces well with dish soap and water. When completly dry, drape the cloth over the surface and smooth out. Mix about 4 oz total of resin and pour a small amount to the center of the surface. With a playing card squeegee the resin outward. Take your time and let the resin saturate the cloth as you go. Try not to use too much. You will be surprised how far a little will go.
Let cure for 48 hours at a temp no less then 65 degrees, trim the excess and lightly feather sand and cover the opposite side in the same manner.
Prep for paint should be a light sanding with 220 grit followed by spray can laquer primer. It is important that all foam be covered with glass and epoxy before primer as the primer will dissolve any exposed foam. When satisfied with the primer finish you can spray with Rust-oleum and for that scale finish clear with matte finish Lusterkote.
11-09-2010, 09:39 AM
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RE: Fiberglassing a Byron Hellcat
The Hellcat was a wire cut wing and stab that MUST be sheeted with balsa before the finishing process. After you sheet the wing, then you can either finish in a film or glass and paint. That plane really deserves a full glass and paint finish job. As above, 3/4oz cloth and Pacer Zpoxy finishing resin is your best choice for the wings and tail. You need to use polyester resin to glass the formers in the fuse.
It is very good looking plane when finished, and it flies awesome. It is NOT for beginners, or even intermediates. The building process needs to be altered some from what is in the instructions. They use some iffy control hookups and such.
It should be painted with a gun and auto or epoxy paint. A rattle can finish will not get the finish that the planes deserves. It can be done, but be prepared to sand and repaint often. You will get runs, dry spots, and not enough coverage all at the same time with a can. It simply does not put out a consistent, large pattern of paint.
It is very good looking plane when finished, and it flies awesome. It is NOT for beginners, or even intermediates. The building process needs to be altered some from what is in the instructions. They use some iffy control hookups and such.
It should be painted with a gun and auto or epoxy paint. A rattle can finish will not get the finish that the planes deserves. It can be done, but be prepared to sand and repaint often. You will get runs, dry spots, and not enough coverage all at the same time with a can. It simply does not put out a consistent, large pattern of paint.
11-09-2010, 10:27 AM
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RE: Fiberglassing a Byron Hellcat
As for the glassing, you may want to consider using the waterbase polyurethane method.
The advantages are:
A noticeable weight saving compared to a resin job (average is 3 - 4 oz on a 60 size bird).
MUCH easier to sand.
No concerns about if the poly is going to "attack" the foam (this may be a concern
using resin - the wrong type will attack the foam)
Accepts finishes just as well as a resin job.
No odor/fumes
Soap and water clean up
Disadvantages:
Only about 60% of the strength of a resin job (if you need the fiberglass for strength
you need to make your structure stronger)
Has about 1/2 the dent resistance of a resin job.
Hope this helps
The advantages are:
A noticeable weight saving compared to a resin job (average is 3 - 4 oz on a 60 size bird).
MUCH easier to sand.
No concerns about if the poly is going to "attack" the foam (this may be a concern
using resin - the wrong type will attack the foam)
Accepts finishes just as well as a resin job.
No odor/fumes
Soap and water clean up
Disadvantages:
Only about 60% of the strength of a resin job (if you need the fiberglass for strength
you need to make your structure stronger)
Has about 1/2 the dent resistance of a resin job.
Hope this helps
11-10-2010, 10:23 PM
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RE: Fiberglassing a Byron Hellcat
ORIGINAL: Campy
As for the glassing, you may want to consider using the waterbase polyurethane method.
The advantages are:
A noticeable weight saving compared to a resin job (average is 3 - 4 oz on a 60 size bird).
MUCH easier to sand.
No concerns about if the poly is going to ''attack'' the foam (this may be a concern
using resin - the wrong type will attack the foam)
Accepts finishes just as well as a resin job.
No odor/fumes
Soap and water clean up
Disadvantages:
Only about 60% of the strength of a resin job (if you need the fiberglass for strength
you need to make your structure stronger)
Has about 1/2 the dent resistance of a resin job.
Hope this helps
As for the glassing, you may want to consider using the waterbase polyurethane method.
The advantages are:
A noticeable weight saving compared to a resin job (average is 3 - 4 oz on a 60 size bird).
MUCH easier to sand.
No concerns about if the poly is going to ''attack'' the foam (this may be a concern
using resin - the wrong type will attack the foam)
Accepts finishes just as well as a resin job.
No odor/fumes
Soap and water clean up
Disadvantages:
Only about 60% of the strength of a resin job (if you need the fiberglass for strength
you need to make your structure stronger)
Has about 1/2 the dent resistance of a resin job.
Hope this helps
I used that method once.. It ended up being a nightmare and weighted 3-4oz MORE than a comparable size model i used my Epoxy resin finishing method on (using 100% polyester cloth as peel ply during the first resin application, and a 50/50 mixture of epoxy and Micro-balloons for the 2nd coat of resin. I've used this method on 6 different models now and the weight increase was negligible and their was no sanding required between the first and 2nd coat of resin).
11-14-2010, 08:11 AM
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RE: Fiberglassing a Byron Hellcat
how was the polyu a nightmare? seal your wood and paint the cloth on with the poly, it dries in 30 minutes. about 3 coats later sand to smooth and the apply the poly again. another 3 coats and you're about done. more sanding and then switch to primer. i found it extremely easy.
11-14-2010, 10:20 AM
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RE: Fiberglassing a Byron Hellcat
ORIGINAL: dhal22
how was the polyu a nightmare? seal your wood and paint the cloth on with the poly, it dries in 30 minutes. about 3 coats later sand to smooth and the apply the poly again. another 3 coats and you're about done. more sanding and then switch to primer. i found it extremely easy.
how was the polyu a nightmare? seal your wood and paint the cloth on with the poly, it dries in 30 minutes. about 3 coats later sand to smooth and the apply the poly again. another 3 coats and you're about done. more sanding and then switch to primer. i found it extremely easy.
I count 3 times you have to sand your part using the poly method. I only have to sand once and that is after the last finish coat of resin/micro-balloons and before primer.
