Ducted Fan Jet CL?
06-24-2010, 07:04 AM
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Ducted Fan Jet CL?
Anyone flying a ducted fan jet on wires?
I'm asking because I'm converting my R/C stuff to CL.
Actually running out of the mind set it takes to set up R/C models. I'm old, tired and lazy. Running out of money also.
CL is my answer! Did it before, do it again!
Charles
I'm asking because I'm converting my R/C stuff to CL.
Actually running out of the mind set it takes to set up R/C models. I'm old, tired and lazy. Running out of money also.
CL is my answer! Did it before, do it again!
Charles
06-24-2010, 10:47 AM
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RE: Ducted Fan Jet CL?
Ducted fan is old hat.
Why would you think DF is "old hat?"
New and improved fans are still in the marketplace and R&D takes place every day to improve them.
By my standards, today's quality fans are expensive, but certainly less than the Turbine investment. Much safer also and less to know!
Charles
06-24-2010, 11:36 AM
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RE: Ducted Fan Jet CL?
I have a scratch built model of the C-101 Avio Jet, which I designed and framed many years ago, over 20, for R/C.
Originally set up for a Rossi .60 FIRE. Prop was in the nose.
I actually had a Post on RCU which delt with the removal of the Rossi and a rebuild of the nose to scale apearance. At that time I was thinking Turbine or DF for R/C.
Turbine was out because of the "thinking" and the $$$. R/C is out also because I'm exiting R/C.
It's a great model and I don't want to sell or trash it. I was doing a bit of research on DF systems.
For CL, my guess is the model can be shy some power and still work in CL?
Be nice to see what's flying with jets on wires? I'm thinking 70'.
Here's the model with the nose changes from the removal of the Rossi.
CL is great because I don't have to deal with retracts, not to mention a bunch of other stuff.
Originally set up for a Rossi .60 FIRE. Prop was in the nose.
I actually had a Post on RCU which delt with the removal of the Rossi and a rebuild of the nose to scale apearance. At that time I was thinking Turbine or DF for R/C.
Turbine was out because of the "thinking" and the $$$. R/C is out also because I'm exiting R/C.
It's a great model and I don't want to sell or trash it. I was doing a bit of research on DF systems.
For CL, my guess is the model can be shy some power and still work in CL?
Be nice to see what's flying with jets on wires? I'm thinking 70'.
Here's the model with the nose changes from the removal of the Rossi.
CL is great because I don't have to deal with retracts, not to mention a bunch of other stuff.
06-24-2010, 01:19 PM
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RE: Ducted Fan Jet CL?
Why would you think DF is "old hat?"
Actually running out of the mind set it takes to set up R/C models. I'm old, tired and lazy. Running out of money also.
I got back into C/L because I wanted to re-live the old days back in the late 60's/early 70's. If I were lazy I wouldn't have flown the FS last Saturday. I spent an hour just setting up my circle and hauling all the gear out to the far corner of the RC field. I could have flown 5 or 6 flights in the time it took me to set up and fly 3 flights on the FS.
Not that I'm saying you shouldn't do it. I'm just saying that for me at least it's a labor of love, RC is much less hassle. Especially since I fly almost exclusively electric. And even my 1/3 scale Spacewalker is less setup than C/L. As much as I enjoy flying C/L again it'll never replace RC.
06-24-2010, 01:22 PM
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RE: Ducted Fan Jet CL?
Your workmanship shows in the pictures.
I would bet the electric ducted fans that're in a number of RTF and ARF RC birds available today would work ok for CL. I'm not sure they'd work very good if the weight of the model was more toward what scale models weigh versus what sport weights are.
I was looking at the fan package that goes into my Multiplex jet ARF the other night wondering how it'd do in a Mig or Sabre CL. It's the right size and the electric setup is easily within reach nowadays. And I never wanted to deal with glow ducted fan.
A couple of places have EDF packages that are affordable. Heck, cheaper than just the glow engine for a DF setup. And the electrics are close to being turnkey and reliable without any tuning. Something to study anyway.
I would bet the electric ducted fans that're in a number of RTF and ARF RC birds available today would work ok for CL. I'm not sure they'd work very good if the weight of the model was more toward what scale models weigh versus what sport weights are.
I was looking at the fan package that goes into my Multiplex jet ARF the other night wondering how it'd do in a Mig or Sabre CL. It's the right size and the electric setup is easily within reach nowadays. And I never wanted to deal with glow ducted fan.
A couple of places have EDF packages that are affordable. Heck, cheaper than just the glow engine for a DF setup. And the electrics are close to being turnkey and reliable without any tuning. Something to study anyway.
06-24-2010, 02:13 PM
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RE: Ducted Fan Jet CL?
I would not have used the same term to describe the application of ducted fan power to other disciplines besides RC. As long as the ducted fan power systems have been used for any models, they have also been used in both CL and FF models, going back 40 years at least. It is a tried and true option for powering "jet" models.
06-24-2010, 02:20 PM
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RE: Ducted Fan Jet CL?
Last I looked, CL models, at their simplest, only had one moving control surface.
No Radio, no TX, no servos, no battery and none of the required charging gear to go with it.
A handle, you could use a stick, wires, power, and your good to go.
No offense was to be taken because I said CL is a lot less "everything" than what's needed in R/C. It's just the way it is.
My CL days go back to the early 60's. Yes, I progressed to flying the complete pattern and the prestigious lawn dot maneuver. Generally exicuted somehow starting out inverted with the sun and wind in your face. Certainly slacked lines ad to the success of this maneuver.
Even designed my own CL models.
Here's a photo of a modified Aries I built in 1962. Silk n dope. Just about ready for paint. That's not me in the photo.
No Radio, no TX, no servos, no battery and none of the required charging gear to go with it.
A handle, you could use a stick, wires, power, and your good to go.
No offense was to be taken because I said CL is a lot less "everything" than what's needed in R/C. It's just the way it is.
My CL days go back to the early 60's. Yes, I progressed to flying the complete pattern and the prestigious lawn dot maneuver. Generally exicuted somehow starting out inverted with the sun and wind in your face. Certainly slacked lines ad to the success of this maneuver.
Even designed my own CL models.
Here's a photo of a modified Aries I built in 1962. Silk n dope. Just about ready for paint. That's not me in the photo.
06-24-2010, 09:08 PM
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RE: Ducted Fan Jet CL?
ORIGINAL: Avaiojet
Last I looked, CL models, at their simplest, only had one moving control surface.
No Radio, no TX, no servos, no battery and none of the required charging gear to go with it.
A handle, you could use a stick, wires, power, and your good to go.
No offense was to be taken because I said CL is a lot less ''everything'' than what's needed in R/C. It's just the way it is.
My CL days go back to the early 60's. Yes, I progressed to flying the complete pattern and the prestigious lawn dot maneuver. Generally exicuted somehow starting out inverted with the sun and wind in your face. Certainly slacked lines ad to the success of this maneuver.
Even designed my own CL models.
Someone must have liked either Steve wooleys'Cobra or the La Donna or both of them because the twin boom tail is La Donna and the rudders are pure cobra and Jack sheeks pirated them for his La donna.
Just that the la Donna wasn't published till 64 is F.M.
Here's a photo of a modified Aries I built in 1962. Silk n dope. Just about ready for paint. That's not me in the photo.
Last I looked, CL models, at their simplest, only had one moving control surface.
No Radio, no TX, no servos, no battery and none of the required charging gear to go with it.
A handle, you could use a stick, wires, power, and your good to go.
No offense was to be taken because I said CL is a lot less ''everything'' than what's needed in R/C. It's just the way it is.
My CL days go back to the early 60's. Yes, I progressed to flying the complete pattern and the prestigious lawn dot maneuver. Generally exicuted somehow starting out inverted with the sun and wind in your face. Certainly slacked lines ad to the success of this maneuver.
Even designed my own CL models.
Someone must have liked either Steve wooleys'Cobra or the La Donna or both of them because the twin boom tail is La Donna and the rudders are pure cobra and Jack sheeks pirated them for his La donna.
Just that the la Donna wasn't published till 64 is F.M.
Here's a photo of a modified Aries I built in 1962. Silk n dope. Just about ready for paint. That's not me in the photo.
06-24-2010, 09:21 PM
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RE: Ducted Fan Jet CL?
Dennis,
As I said, I built that model in 1962. It is what it is, a modified Aries. Aries wing with a straght trailing edge. I was influniced by no other design. In 1962 I was 16 years old.
I actually have parts of another that isn't assembled.
Maybe I'll gather them up and get a photo.
Charles
As I said, I built that model in 1962. It is what it is, a modified Aries. Aries wing with a straght trailing edge. I was influniced by no other design. In 1962 I was 16 years old.
I actually have parts of another that isn't assembled.
Maybe I'll gather them up and get a photo.
Charles
