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Old 01-08-2012, 08:56 AM
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I think it is fiberglass plate!Not exactly sure what it's,Mu friend give it to me.
Old 01-08-2012, 11:49 AM
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Hey Nonstoprc
Here you go, picked up a sheet at the AMA show yesterday.
CST Fiberglass Plate
0.060''x 5.75 x 5.75
No. G4064
Cost is $14.95 and $ 28.00 for a bigger size
Old 01-08-2012, 12:28 PM
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Good to know. What's the weight of the piece?

I used to use 3mm aircraft grade ply with many lightening holes.
Old 01-09-2012, 12:16 AM
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Didn't make the AMA show cuz I had a job to bid but did finish my Nuance. As long as it's still summer like and not that windy tomorrow, I'll have some flights on her.. Really looking forward to it.

4704 grams with the Pletty Advance, Ice 80 (oh yeah, I still need to send mine back, lol) and F3A Unlimited 4900 packs. Oh, I have a Tru Turn spinner on it, and some other heavy stuff that I will get rid of that will easily get me under 4650. Shocked at the weight still.

Pics and flight results tomorrow..

Chris
Old 01-09-2012, 09:38 AM
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Chris - WOW! That is light. We had Steve Hannah's on display at the NSRCA booth so I got a chance to check it out, I liked it!

Let me know how the flight goes.
Old 01-09-2012, 03:27 PM
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my Eclipse looks Anorexic in comparison!!

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Old 01-09-2012, 08:16 PM
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Just checked the weight, that size is 60 grams. Hope that helps
Old 01-10-2012, 12:51 AM
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3 test flights went better than normal. I'm very pleased with how this plane fly's.. It fly's very light, very soft, very accurate. I really enjoyed flying it and after a couple of trim passes felt comfortable with it and started flying maneuvers. No problems with anything other than my own setup issues. 3 percent down ele to low throttle cured the downline pull. I didn't do knifeedge passes because I honestly didn't think about them. Was really enjoying flying it. I did do a bunch of point rolls and yes, this plane rolls really easily. I found that I will need a bit less rudder for rolls. I will probably install some wing adjusters as I had to put in a bit of left aileron. But I need to balance it from wing to wing still so I will wait on that.

The only thing I really didn't like was the tailwheel. It seemed loud and didn't turn very well. But if you know me, my planes usually turn on a dime so maybe it's normal. Oh, I also put some 1/4" balsa on the bottom of the canopy because the I didn't like how the bottom mounts were on the canopy. Once I put these it, it mounts perfectly and very easy. I'll take some pics hopefully tomorrow.

I'm very impressed with the maiden flights and I can only say what everyone else has said. It fly's pretty darn good right off the bench. Was it hands off from the get go, no.. But that was due to my own setup issue's cuz I wanted to get it in the air..

Well done BJ Craft..
Thanks Chris Moon! Appreciate being able to get this plane quickly, when I wanted it! Nice to have a local supplier!

Chris
Old 01-10-2012, 08:25 AM
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Hi. Chris
Looks like you are enjoy with nuance.... that's great!
Would you please show me how to set up the motor?

Alex Shim
Old 01-10-2012, 08:48 AM
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Nuance's DTFSW (Double Taper Fast Snap Wing)
It's option item for something different feeling.

the left: DTFSW wing.the right: Original wing

Alex
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Old 01-11-2012, 07:14 PM
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I'll take some pics for you Alex..

6 more flights on it today.. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I like it. I think this will be a good plane to help improve scores IMO. I flew 4 rounds of Masters today and won all 4 rounds! Nobody was even close!! hahaha

Seriously, I tried some knife edge passes the length of the field and then some, and it needs 0 elevator from what I could tell. I need to put wing adjusters in to get rid of a little right aileron trim but it didn't seem to roll out either. I tried some cg changes and while it does like the recommended cg, I found it to use no down elevator, or hardly any. I like to at least breathe on the down elevator. I have 18% expo, guess I could soften it up, but I think a little further forward cg is much better. That's where I ended up and then did the knife edge passes. 4 flights of Masters took 2950,3000, 3100. and 3200 out of the packs and I could still have saved more I think. Still not used to the plane. It fly's really light and easy. Rolls are good, snaps are fast. Not sure why you aren't getting lightening quick snaps Steve, I am getting the same snaps I always got with my Abbra which were very violent. I use a lot more elevator and rudder than most though. I was actually worried about my wings (now I'm gonna always worry about that, lol) when doing them today as they were so fast.. But they are 100% fine.

Hurry up pattern season. Heck, it was about 70 today, why aren't we having a contest? haha

Chris
Old 01-11-2012, 08:41 PM
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Ok, some motor pics. Not sure if I took pics of the plywood mount for the nose ring. It is not all the way against the nose. I held it back a little as I used 1/4 ply.
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Old 01-11-2012, 08:53 PM
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General pics.
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Old 01-11-2012, 08:55 PM
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I always make my wires as short as possible on the esc. There is no reason to have long wires if you don't need them. Plus I keep them really short on my shorting plug.
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Old 01-11-2012, 08:57 PM
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As you can see, I added some 1/4" balsa to keep the canopy in the right spot when I put it on. It was a bit of a pain in the butt before I did this, now it goes straight on easily.
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Old 01-11-2012, 09:12 PM
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This is how I mounted the rudder servo. I didn't like the way the original mounted by being glued to the inside of the fuse. I feel that a lot of force is exerted from the rudder to the rudder servo and them 2 little pieces of plywood gluing area I just didn't trust. Plus the side of the fuse flexes in and out so I made this easy mount which is glue in on both sides of the fuse. I'm sure it's fine, but for those that aren't using aeropoxy or West Systems epoxy, would you trust your 5 minute glue on such an important thing? Just a thought.. Plus a few pics at the field before the maiden.

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Old 01-11-2012, 11:55 PM
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Looks Great Chris!

I have my CG a bit further forward as well.

I can't wait to go flying again. I'm on my way home from China and I'll go pick it up from Jarvis on Friday. I hope it looked OK at the show.

As for snaps, they are very nice as it is. Upline snaps and 45 upline snaps are great. I just like my horizontal snaps to be a bit more explosive. I got used to that with my visa. But I'm happy with it.

I'm glad your experience is like mine. I also have a few clicks of aileron and I'll put in adjusters at some point.
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I heard your Nuance looked really good at the show! I heard from Jarvis that he is going to try to get as many flights in on it as he can before Friday. hahaha

Do you think the more snaps on the horizontal could be because the Visa fly's faster perhaps? Can you tell a difference from one Visa to the other? Contra vs non contra? Good info for me to learn is why I ask. I'm getting ready to head to the field, I will try some horizontal snaps. I only tried a 45 down negative, which is almost 2 fast for me, and a triangle with the snap and a half on top which was also very fast but I carry speed into and out of it and also more rudder and a little more elevator than most. I'd be curious to fly the new wings vs these wings to see the difference though. Always good to learn.

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I don't think the snap rate difference is due to flying speed. The diff is probably dominated by fuse side area. The contra visa snaps a bit slower than the standard one, but it also does much better 45 upline snaps. I would have to fly them side by side to really have a good comparison. That will be a while since I had to cannibalize the ESC and a couple other components.

I'd be curious to try the new tapered wings. It's not necessary but it might be a bit different.
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After 6 more very good flights today I did a few flights with lots of snaps and I'd say I do agree Steve. I can see what you are talking about. The snaps are fast, but not like lightning after I took out elevator and rudder. I took it out because I was coming to a standstill after the snap. I feel that this plane snaps better for me with less elevator and rudder. I need to see if I can add a bit of aileron still. Not sure if I am at full throw or not. It's still plenty fast IMO, just not lightning quick. Man I am stoked by this plane though. Trying to figure out how much I can get for my wife's "silicone" parts on a bidding site so that I can get another Nuance! haha Shhhhh, she doesn't know yet! lol

Steve, if you want, I could send you a standard (old school) Jeti 90 Opto to borrow. I've got 2 on the shelf that I will probably never use again unless for a backup situation. You're more than welcome if you want to use one.

C
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Thanks Chris,

Since my brand new Neu motor failed, I also had to confiscate that from my standard Visa for a while. You wouldn't happen to have a spare one of those lying around would you???

Looking forward to flying this weekend. Lots of practicing to do.
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Thanks Chris,

Since my brand new Neu motor failed, I also had to confiscate that from my standard Visa for a while. You wouldn't happen to have a spare one of those lying around would you???

Looking forward to flying this weekend. Lots of practicing to do.
Hi Steve,

What happened to the new Neu?

Cheers,
Jason.
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My Nuance arrived today and it is beautiful! This was the first time I took a model with film covering and there was not a single wrinkle, lift, or bubble. It is really nice. The paint job is also excellent. I am very pleased and can't wait to get the Contra and the rest installed and flying.

Hey Steve, I've been doing a bunch of F3A flying up here if you want to come up for a day. It'd be fun to get some practice in together.
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I'm fresh outta Neu motors. lol.. Sorry to hear that. I'm still on the fence with buying one because of the few things I have heard. They are great powerful motors when they are good though. No doubt about that. I'm sticking to the Pletty Advance because I think it has a bit more power than the Neu. Well compared to when I flew Chip's Visa anyway.

Tony, glad to hear you got yours. Hope you can get it going quickly.. Hopefully after this season perhaps! haha. I thought for a second I may have an advantage to help put me in better contention for a win against ya.. Guess not... Gonna have to learn to setup and fly I guess. lol I am very interested in seeing yours fly with a Contra. I'm intrigued, but not sold on them yet (haven't seen one fly). Of course, I can't afford one either, but that's beside the point.


Chris
Old 01-13-2012, 05:25 AM
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OK, question for all of you California guys. Anyone out there from down around San Diego? I'm going to be there for 4 days later this month and was trying to find someone to fly with. I know Doug is from down there, but was wondering if anyone else was as well.

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