patternflyer1

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Glad you like it. Your numbers will come down more after you get your throttle curve set right. That will slow your uplines down and create less draw on the batteries. I bet you'll be down to 3000mah in no time.

Good luck!!!!
Chris

ExFokkerFlyer

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Steve,

Glad you got her up in the air okay. You'll tame the motor in time, just takes a little getting used to having all that low end power. I would recommend experimenting with a few different props once you get everything settled and comfortable. I have 'detuned' essentially my set up with a smaller prop, a 20x13 and have liked the results. Will try something with a little lower pitch in a couple weeks to experiment with downlines as well.

Too bad you can't make it out here in ten days for the Gardnerville, NV contest. We'll, Dad and I, have two planes with 5320s and my Genesis with the 5330 available for demo flights... Well Dad's Focus is off limits I am told, but the Eclipse with the 5320 and my Genesis will be flying Wed-Friday if anybody is interested. Will be a barnburner of a contest, with lots o' prizes!

How does it feel to be AXI-fied Steve? lol

Tom M.

patternrules

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Feels great will try a few different things tomorrow, have the AXI 5320 and Jeti 90 controller in cart with you just haven't pulled the handle to order.
Steve Maxwell

patternrules

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Somethings I didn't post yesterday was temps, motor windings was at a high of 107 ( no spinner so can check easy) batteries at high of 125 in center and most places 110-115, controller at 99, could get the pack temps down with a little more directing of air just to batteries like Dave Lockhart has done from the Nat's, my packs are stacked on top of eachother with just velcroed together so no real spacing.

GO AWAY RAIN I WANT TO FLY

Steve Maxwell

patternrules

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Ok finally got my radio 9C configured to my liking with the AXI/F3A, set high throttle end point at 0% and the low end at 140% Expo -35%, some things that this has done limited my full throttle amps to 76 and a softer feel all though the throttle, If I had a different radio where I could set many points for throttle, I think it would even be better feel.
Now for the kicker that most I put back in my packs today was 3255 and the least was 3125, the flight consisted of a taxi out, fly the p-07 all legal take off and landings and taxi back to center position, winds today was 12-15 mph, flight times 8 minutes or under, outside temp 94, motor temp 117, battery temp highest 134, ducting more like Dave Lockharts would bring down more.
Now I can get really flying and get the right feel for this motor as it was very appearant to most this past weekend at the East Lake Michigan contest, that I didn't have a good feel for the throttle. way to fast many times, I had to keep backing off the trottle to get back to where I neeeded to be, all this with a 22 X 12 APC E prop.
I would like to add that I'm not sponsored nor would I ever take one, and (not getting to anyone and not hammering anyone) the reason is simple, sponsored pilot all say there products are best, the problem I have with that is how in the world could say that without testing the said product, other than having your sponsors getting on your butt for even trying something else, if you don't think is a really great system, buy one and try it, I wish I had this info last year before I went the other way. I understand sponsors and glad some get the perks of sponsorship, but it does limit your right to make choices.
Steve Maxwell

ExFokkerFlyer

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Glad the motor is working out for you Steve. I flew my Focus with a 9C and never really got the throttle tuned to my liking, ended up with a expo curve that wasn't quite right, but I flew around it until it's demise.

I think each airplane/pilot is going to have a different prop that they like with this motor... but I found that when I experimented with props, and went down in size i ended up using less battery in the flight. I'm now using a 20x13, and plan to try a few others shortly.

But... having said that, if you like how it flys now, who cares? Fly it that way...

Tom M.

patternrules

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I have a 21X14 but don't the need the speed and I plan on getting more props when I get the 5320/28.
Thanks Tom for the great service you have provided in getting this info out.
Steve Maxwell

patternrules

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Ok today the temps was way up there 94 winds 12-15, tried some different throttle setups, kinda liked the logrythmic but it has a very hard start and I think I end up using more MAH, and at that the highest MAH put back today was 3125, out of 8 flights the lower was with my setup as of yesterday 2755 put back, all normal flights. I started last year when I would only fly one flight and land just like at contest, to get in the habit, if I want to trim or practice a certain manuever I do that and set timer, which I keep on all the time, flying every 20-25 minutes with 2 chargers and 2 sets of batteries of course charging time is down because of less MAH used.
Steve Maxwell

ExFokkerFlyer

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Steve,

You are really cranking up the flying! I never tried the logarythmic curve, what did you mean that it was hard to start? Low power initially?

Tom

patternrules

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Well if you give it a little throttle it starts faster than with linear, I'll play with it more but think Jason Shulman uses the logirythmic.
By the way Tom you interested in sponsoring a 58 year old that likes to fly the P pattern but has no desire to fly the F pattern other than playing with elements of that pattern.
I'm getting better all the time but time isn't on my side can only imagine if my uncle and father would have helped when my uncle had RC when I was 14, way to expensive for my father to spend money on.
Steve Maxwell

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ExFokkerFlyer

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Too early in the morning and not enough coffee. I'm at my father's house for the contest this weekend and using his computer. Didn't pay attention as to who was logged in, hence the above post.

Well Steve, I would love to be able to sponsor a 58 year old FAI pilot... but first I need to figure out how to pay for this 33 year old's RC habit... I tell ya, it's getting increasingly difficult to find two nickels let alone rub them together... this contest is likely to be the end of me... But if everybody has a good time, that's all that matters right? lol

Tom M.

patternrules

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Yesterday we had winds of 15-20 MPH and 95 degrees from my back changed back to linear throttle with -35% expo battery usage was up from the other day highest was 3405, least was 3125, needed extra speed to help with maintain heading which I'm very poor at, so I continually drift out and flying bigger space. All in all still well below what I was using with the Hacker.

Steve Maxwell

patternflyer1

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I prop down to a 21x13 in the wind Steve. Same as the Hacker folk do. It seems to penetrate better.
Chris

ExFokkerFlyer

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Steve,

FWIW I spent all day at the field yesterday, 9 flights on the Genesis and two flights on 5320 powered planes. Dead calm in the morning, but the wind picked up in the afternoon early evening to about 15 mph with a slight crosswind pushing in. I started with a 20x13, but for the last three flights I went to a 20x15. Except for the first flight which had a couple trimming passes thrown in... my flights consisted of the masters pattern and maybe one manuever over again... most of the time it was just the sequence. My battery usage ranged from 2100-2700 mAh. And the last flight, in the highest wind, I flew with more throttle in the upwinds and kept the speed up... that was the 21-2200 mAh flight. [8D] Flight durations ranged from 8 to 9.5 minutes.

I don't know why, I don't quite understand it... not trying to explain it... it's just what I got. I normally get under 3000 mAh, but haven't been this low in a while. Today I'll probably take out 3699 mah, who knows?

Tom M.

patternrules

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I have a 21X14 I used in the wind with the Hacker I'll try that the next time I was afraid it would be to fast with F3A, still will try the 5320/28 after the season is over the extra 500 rpm might be nice for a smaller prop. Also remember I'm still running the TP 5300 that still do a good job, but will also try the 3700 Flightpowers next spring.

Steve Maxwell

woodie

Test flew the Brio today with the AXI 5330/F3A

Yeah, I know Tom, I have been slow about getting the Brio in the air but today was the day. 10 lb 15 oz with no spinner, wheel pants or paint on the fuse. Using TP5300 (thanks Chris F!!) APC 21x12W Still using the alum gear, wing tube and stab tube and using a lot of heavy battery wire inside since I wanted to test fly before I started finalizing installation. I should be able to make 11 lbs with carbon stuff and shorter battery wires.

Four flights of gradually increasing length, started at about 6 minutes and worked up to about 9. Didn't fly the P07 sequence, mostly just trimming getting used to it but doing lots of verticals, squares, humpties, etc. All I can say is, the F3A is OVERKILL!!! I never pulled more than 65 amps and never got close to full throttle on the TX. Highest mah used was about 3400 on the 4th flight, about 9 minutes and that was a lot big of vertical stuff.

Idle was very consistent using the throttle cut technique. Always started and came back to same idle each time. Landed at same idle speed.

Temperature started off at about 65 and climbed to about 78 by 10:30. Motor, ESC temps were slightly more than ambient even on the longest flight, batteries were below 100 until the last flight and got to 105. Probably not a good test since it was cool today.

Plane flies like it weighs about a pound less, reminds me of my 9.5lb Angel Shadow II. Slow landings without any drooped ailerons but did try the drooped ail on last landing and it just walked on, rolled about 40 feet and turned around even with the engine idling. I did switch to a 21x13 for 4th flight and liked it better than the 21x12.

The motor is a powerhouse, thanks for all the advice and help Tom.

Don

patternflyer1

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I knew you would be happy with it Don!! We told you about the power. Many seem to not believe us. Kinda funny. But whatever. Wait till you try the 22x12. Although, I feel I'm flying too slow with it at the moment. Probably am. Glad my Tp's worked out for ya. Now, if I can get you to try the flight powers, we'll have another voice that agree's with us! I'm sure of it. They're that good IMO.
Can't wait to get my picture with you and the chicken this weekend!!
Chris

woodie

I understand the 'Chicken' has it's own motor home to ensure privacy when not flying. Stardom really gets in the way sometimes.

Yep, loads of power, and I liked the 13" pitch a little better, seemed easier to control the exit speeds after downlines. Or maybe I just need to get used to running into the wall of jello feeling with the 12" after I exit a downline..... ;-)

I only have 4 flights on it so I shouldn't be expressing my opinions too early but so far, I LIKE IT!!!!!

See you in Gardnerville

Don

patternrules

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I tried the 21X14 today and the feel was better but was using many more MAH 3825 last flight and the 22X12 had been using only 2900-3100, I'll add that the top end was about 3 amps lower than the 22X12, think what was happening was flying faster so farther out and I was using more throttle stick to fly it, I really like the 22X12 so far will try others later but it has plenty of speed with this prop for I think any wind.

Steve Maxwell
P.S. Don glad you like yours too.

Adamg-RCU

Steve, another prop that is perhaps worth trying is the APC 21x13WE. It's a little less load than the 22x12 and 21x14, but I think the wide blade is an advantage.

patternflyer1

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I agree. It is the prop I change to in the wind..
Chris

can773

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20x15 is identical load/performance to the 21x13w.....probably faster, and 1oz lighter.

VIGA

What can you say abut AXI 5330 on vertical descent? Is it so slower as reducted Hacker?
Do you use speed controler with brake?

patternflyer1

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I do not use a brake. Just low throttle setting. After losing 3 planes this year, my current plane is a Patriot. Which is an older design narrow body plane. I can tell you honestly, and I will try to get some video this weekend if I can, that it fly's as slow as any of the wide body Hackers. Even on downlines it is pretty slow.
A few of us out here on the west coast are figuring out that we have much smoother flights if we don't try to fly so slow.
I didn't believe it when I was told, but my last three flights of faster speed were probably the best flights I have ever flown.
I took my 4995 g patriot. Flew faster in my horizontals, and in my verticals. Everything seemed to flow much better.
Flying Masters with the F3A motor and the Flight Power 10s 3700's I pulled out less than 2800mah on each of these flights with a 22x12 prop.
Normally on a slow Masters flight I average 2400mah used.

For those of you laughing, about a guy electrifrying a patriot.....
I know, I know.... LOL

Chris