tIANci

Frankly, such cheap motors don't hold up, not when its in the 63mm size league. I am running the DualSky 6360 ( it hauls my Midwest CAP 232 80" with okay performance, nothing much to shout about ) and I can say it works but I can hear that the bearings are not the smoothest. Also, such cheaper motors do not enjoy being pushed past 60+A on 10S. Worse of all I can imagine that the efficiency is only like 75% ...

Then you have cheapo magnets, cheapo glue for the magnets, cheapo copper wiring, cheapo winding techniques ... the list goes on. I do not mind purchasing such motors but like I said its for low performance set ups. Push it and it burns, magnets eject or the motor is so out of phase that it stutters and then shuts down when you push it hard.

What I have seen, but yet to purchase (that means I need to get it soon!) is the Hyperion 5025 series. It is cheaper than the branded stuff but works great. Seen it haul a nice F3A plane with ease at only 70A WOT, with a bigger prop it would be even better.

TN ... if you can, look at the Plettie Xtra 30, at iCare its on sale, guess the new Plettie Xtra has made the Xtra30 kinda less attractive to the consumer. Pletties are nice!

wattsup

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tIANci, which Hyperion are you talking about, the Z5025-22 or 24? The price is attractive. Do you know if this is a Japanese or Chinese product. As you probably already know,
I'm not too excited about another Turnigy or Dualsky motor. But, I am trying to keep an open mind. I really appreciate your response & imput. Regards__________TNWalker

tIANci

Its the 5025-22 ... here's the video so you judge for yourself. Its prob manufactured in China but China is simple, you pay peanuts you get cheap cheap products, you pay a lot then its quality stuff.

[link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5rGmaAm9KU&feature=channel_page]Hyperion 5025-22[/link]

mradcliff

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I just received my Element F3a today. I've been reading all these threads with electric power. Is anyone flying one with a two stroke like an OS 160? I want to set up mine with this motor. Can anyone tell me where to get a pipe and header that will work? I would appreciate some help with this.
Thanks
Mark Radcliff

wattsup

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Mark, You might be better off & get more info/feedback to your questions in the "glow section" instead of here in the "electric section". Regards___________TNWalker

mradcliff

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Sorry about that...I realized the mistake later.

wattsup

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Mark, You don't have to apologize. You are more then welcome to join us on the DARK SIDE! I developed an allergy to glow fuel, thus the change. Regards_________TNWalker

mradcliff

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Hey I respect your efforts. I would go electric if I had the bucks to do it right now. I hopefully in the future will have an electric one.
Thanks again.

tIANci

Mark ... once you tasted the Dark Side you will be amazed as to why you been missing out on all the fun! Heheheheee ...

mups53

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Hi Mark. F3A???? Watch it it'll get ya.
E. today can be very inexpensive. Lot's of info here if you need help. The whole power plant on my Integral last year cost me less than $300 less lipo's and nobody had more raw power at the Nats than I did. Equal but not more.
http://electric-f3a.com/smf/index.php
Lots of good info.
I ran the OS 160 on a Temptation about 4 years ago. It's a good reliable setup but lacks the raw power that a YS or a good E system has. The tuning and setup on them can be a bit tricky. If you get up and running I think I have some 3 bladed props I ran on them if your interested I'll send them to you NC. Good luck with it. Mike Mueller

tIANci

Mark ... if you want something that works ... try this:

Motor - Hyperion 5025-22
Batt - Zippy Rhino 20C 4,900 mAh (USD86 each)
ESC - if you want cheap, a Turnigy 90A HV will work

This system will fly a F3A plane with ease for P09 ... have a look at this link for the motor performance:

[link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5rGmaAm9KU&feature=channel_page]Hyperion 5025[/link]

wattsup

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Mike, out of curiosity, which motor were you running in your Integral at the Nats last year that cost <$300? I continue to weigh all the options!______________TNWalker

mups53

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TN I run the AXI F3A and the CCHV85 ESC. I got the Axi used for $140 and the ESC from RVP last year new for $145.
Here's a pic. I had the same setup in my Imapct which I have since sold. It's relaible and heavy duty power. Yes a little heavier but my plane still makes weight because I have a custom built foam balsa wing instead of the composite on both planes.
I use $220 10S setups 5000 mils Lipo's from TrueRC.
Chargers also have come down in price a lot and used and good equipment is hitting the marketplace. It's a great time to go E. and getting better all the time. Mike

Chris Moon

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Mike's setup is identical to this:
http://www.electric-f3a.com/Simple%2...le%20setup.htm

wattsup

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Mike, thanks for your response. If I'm correct, I believe you were running the Axi 20x13 carbon graphite prop in the picture. I have been running the Jeti Spin unit as I mentioned earlier in this thread. As of yesterday, I purchased a Castle Phoenix HV85 ESC because based on imput from a friend in Houston, TX it is much more efficient, user friendly & has expanded programmabilty unlike most of the older generation ESC's. Obviously even though it's very cold this time of year, I'm anxious to get the CCHV85 installed & up & running. You are correct, the AXI F3A is reliable & only weighs approx 4 oz more than some of the other outrunners. Mine has more than served me well! Regards__TNWalker

wattsup

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ual767, I apologize for not thanking you for posting the settings above for the CC85HV. You have made my transiton to the new ESC almost too easy! Regards___TNWalker

mups53

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TN I was running the 20.5X14 prop most of the year. I had the 20x13 APC on the Impact. At the Nats I used a Rasa CF 20x15. that's a fast prop and a lot of fun but the best all around prop on this plane turned out to be the 20.5x14 APC. The thing that sets the AXI apart from the others is Hobby Lobby's customer service. Mike

wattsup

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Mike, I have been running the APC 20.5x14e prop. All around, it's really hard to beat! I can't say enough about Hobby Lobby's customer service. They have been the BEST! Not
only to the local e flyers at my field but to everyone I have ever talked to at the different contests over the years that have also done business with them. Admittedly, I have a
distinct advantage because they are <20 minutes from my home! I've never had any issues with either of my motors. Only had to replace the bearings in my #1 motor one time
after approx 400 flights! So, you might ask "why is he thinking about changing motors?" Well, I guess I'm like most everyone else in pattern, I'm always looking/seeking a better
mousetrap. In this case, more /stronger performance & reliabilty. At least I know if I don't find it, my AXI's will continue to serve me well!________________Regards, TNWalker

mradcliff

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Mike,
I must admit you've got me thinking E! I'm going to think it thru carefully. I have the OS 160 motor sitting around so I don't have to buy it. I need the header and the pipe, approx $150+ depending on what pipe I use. Of course fuel tank, fuel,etc.etc and it starts adding up to your numbers. E looks simple. I'm thinking! Thanks for the info Mike.
Mark

mups53

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No problem Mark. I usually look at things that I have in your case a OS160 as revenue builders. Say I want to get something new I just sell something old. It's a great way to stay up to date with equipment and make it happen financially. The ability to sell good used equipment via the forums is very viable. Good luck with it whatever you decide to do. Mike

flyngreg

Hey, Just found you guys, I can't tell which motor your discussing, I've had six of the 63-64-230Kv motors, with various levels of success or failure depending on how you look at it, I have two of the new SK version which is substantially different from the older 63-64. I'm a pattern wannabe, just learning and all the guys are watching me fumble through the learning curve. Have done mods to keep the 63-64 in one piece averaging about 60+ flights before issues. I don't find the older version worth the money, I was paying $58.00 for them which is nothing and half again that sending them back, thats why I needed 6 motors to keep two airplanes flying, and I'm very profecient at changing them, instead of flying them. The new SK just got mounted in two of my airplanes with zero flights (weather) with only a static test. Won't go into detail on the mods on the older turnigy, not worth the time. Would love feedback on the new SK

Greg

tIANci

For me I seen the performance of the Hyperion 5025-22 on a 19x12 ... it will pull 86A and haul a 2x2 pattern plane with ease. I think this motor is the best value for money at the moment. I seen 2 run on pattern planes and the performance was so so nice. I am getting one soon for my MidWest CAP 232.

wattsup

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Greg, be careful how much you discuss about your "static testing" in this forum! I'm happy to hear you are having some success in your efforts to keep something flying. Frankly, here in the middle Tennessee area, it can be challenging to fly anything this time of year. Most of us build & live for March 1st! Tianci, thanks for all of your words of encouragement & info about the Hyperion 5025-22. I will continue to keep an open mind. I've been in this game many years & one thing you can count on is change!__TNWalker

tIANci

TN ... why the caveat for Greg? Hahahahahaaa ...

I hope to get a China made motor for testing by early March. Informed the manufacturer to ensure that they have good bearings, no el cheapo magnets or wires and please make sure the motor is in phase. Will put it up when the motor arrives. Guess, its time China stops making cheap big outrunners as there is a market for good cheaper outrunner for 10S set ups.

wattsup

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tANci____I assumed it was obvious! You are dealing with an Accelerated Learner! I've shifted gears since my last message & am considering the REALLY Dark Side__an inrunner!
As always, I try to keep an open mind & explore all of the possibilities. You would have thought the Chinese would have anticipated the needs of even this small market here within pattern & have moved to improve the quality of their motors without all the bad press & pressure! As you said earlier, it comes down to two (2) levels of quality when you
deal with the Chinese. It's up to you to pick the level you can afford to live with, pay your money & take the chance! I have to keep in mind just how removed the manufacturers really are from our specific needs. Regards____TNWalker