dapan

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Everette(or anyone else) can you tell me please the true weight of Zippy Flghtmax 4400mah 5s 15C batteries ?

wattsup

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dapan, with the main power wires trimmed to 25mm and a Dean's connector soldered to them, the total weight of each pack is 545 grams ___Everette

wattsup

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dapan, please correct the length of the above wire to approx 50mm/2 inches___Everette

pattratt

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Has anyone done any comparisions between the Himax and the Neu F3A. I know they are different styles but I have not seen anything comparing them.

Thanks
Dick

jarvis johnson

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I fly a Element 170, with a Himax 6330-200. there is No comparision between the two. The Himax, does not put out the power of a Plettburg. Not even close.
But I do like the motor, easy on the batteries.When it comes to the Neu F3a motor, it just a pure powerhouse !!!, If you can keep it running. An the service support
takes way to long.But getting better.If you are looking to buy a motor, get a Hacker, Plettburg or Axi

Just my 2 cent


Jarvis

pattratt

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Thanks Jarvis .
That's what I was looking for.
Dick

nonstoprc

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any data to help the comparison with?

ExFokkerFlyer

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nonstoprc

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tested 6330 first time yesterday with a fresh charged Turngy 5000mah 10s pack. Max current recorded at 82.89A. RPM=6400 with APC 21X14 and CC 85HV ESC.

Question. is there a need to limit the current on this motor?

PS. at 6400, the pull from the motor is stronger than my D50. My shoulder still hurts as I used the right hand to restrain the plane.

patternflyer1

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IMO yes there is a need to setup a full throttle switch. Maybe 75% or so, maybe less. I haven't done it yet, but need to badly. I can use as much as 4700mah for Masters if I just hit full stick on my verticals. I have to watch my throttle stick carefully right now to keep it lower. I have mainly flown the 21x14 apc prop, which seems to use more mah and I will probably go back to the 20.5x14 even though I don't like it just to save a little more battery.

Chris

wingster

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It doesn't look like the Himax is short on power as stated earlier. My Neu F3A turns an APC 20.5x14 at 6200-6300 rpm.

J Lachowski

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If you fly a mixture of newer and older batteries you will want to have all the throttle available to you. The packs I am using right now have anywhere from 20 to 80 cycles on them and there is a significant difference in performance.

patternflyer1

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I agree with that Joe. But that goes with any good powerful motor really. I will (and have intended to since I got these motors) put mine on a switch. Especially with the Power Unlimited packs that I currently run. And probably anything over 20C also.

Chris

wattsup

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nonstoprc, I find it hard to believe that your Himax 6330 F3A motor is turning up approx 83 amps and 6400 rpms. I have the same set-up but I'm running the Falcon 21x14 carbon graphite prop at approx 63-65 amps, I have not checked the rpms but, I will tomorrow. Is there 20 amps difference in the 21x14 props we are runnng? I fly just about everyday and have been using approx 2900-3200 mahs each flight depending on the wind velocity. I fly the Master's schedule with the Flightmax 4400mah 5s batteries. Also, my plane weighs approx 10 lbs and 6 1/2 oz all up weight. I fly the Master's routine in approx 6 3/4 to 7 1/4 minutes again depending on the wind. Also, I cannot imagine Chris sometimes using as much as 4700 mahs for Master's. Wonder what I'm doing right? Not to say you guys are doing anything wrong! You have to be doing something to generate those high amps and use up that many mahs. Also, how fast/big are you two flying the pattern? You've really stirred up my curiosity and I would appreciate any feedback from both of you. Thanks in advance____Everette

Jason Arnold

It all depends on how you are taking the measurements. If you're using the Jeti Box, your readings will be way out. I use an Eagle Tree logger.

Cheers,
Jason.

lsjpeng

About the battery usage...... it really depends on flying style. Both of Chris and I used the same type of motor (Himax 6330-200) and battery (F3A Unlimited). For one Master sequence he used 4400-4600mAh, I used 3400~3600mAh. It is what we charged back from Cell Pro. There is no absolutely answer, just different style. One thing for sure is he kicks my butt all the time! []

nonstoprc

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The measure of 82.9A is took with a turngy watts meter, from a couple seconds of high throttle run. Once I fly the sequence (Intermediate), I should have a better idea about the average case.

One more question on proper use of the motor. What temperature should the motor be running at? Say immediately after landing, if I can touch the motor without getting burned, does it imply the high rpm throttle and ventilation are reasonable?

Thx again.

wattsup

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Thanks Jason & Luke. Nonstoprc, there are many factors that you have to look at. I check my "wide open" amps on the ground using a Medusa. Could you tell me how much your plane weighs. I use a small temerature probe/light after each flight. Temperature and ventilation of the motor, controller and batteries is VERY important/critical. My motor temp is usually between 98 and 108 degress F and the batteries, which are further back, over the landing gear plate usually measure approx 103-122 degrees F. I've flown all summer in temps of 90-98 degrees F daily. Overheating is not an issue with my planes because I always make sure there is adequate intake and exhaust ports. Also, I document every flight: length of flight, end of flight voltage, mah charged to each pack, motor temp, battery temp and internal resistance after charging. This way I have current info on each pack in case of a failure. Hope this helps. That's what we are all here for.
Regards____Everette

jarvis johnson

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What set up are you using to get 83 Amp, because the max I can get is 65 Amp at the most. An I have tried both the Apc 20.5 x 14 and 21 x 14, get around 2500 watts.
With my Axi 5330 f3a motor, with the same pro's I can pull 78-83 Amp's at about 2800 to 3000 with no problem, thats the reason I stated that the Himax does not put
out the power of the Axi, now keep in mind, that my Element 170 is over 11 lbs by alot, its close to 12 lbs with the Rhino 4900. The Himax pulls the plane with no problem
but with the Axi, that same plane in a "Rocket". I think if you have a plane at 11lbs or less, the Himax will work great. Nonstoprc what setup are you running

patternflyer1

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IMO you answered some of your question in your post. There could be an issue on your end. Maybe you got a wrong wind motor. You are flying Flight Max batteries. I am not. Different planes, different results. That's going to happen in the air. I have 10 sets of batteries. If I put in a pack that isn't up to par, I can easily use 60 amps max. And post those numbers. But I don't fly or post numbers for those types of packs. I fly hotter packs clearly (not knocking anyone's packs) (my data is posted somewhere early in this thread) and if they start to go down on power at all, I don't use them in competition which is what I get my numbers from.
If you'd like to buy my used less than 100 flight Masters batteries, I'd be glad to sell them to you! haha.. Then you'll know I was pulling 4700 mahs. They're still decent, but they go down on power at the end of the flight. Masters for me is a battery killer. I killed em with my Hacker c50's also in the same plane. I never had a pack make 100 flights yet and still be competitive, but I will say, my Power Unlimited prototype pack is close and still doing good with very, very low resistance.

So how do I do it, well, if you followed this thread, you know I have one original prototype motor, and one production motor. The prototype is in the plane I currently fly, the production is awaiting a replacement plane. The production motor used just a little less than the prototype but at a cost of a little power. Yes, I fly somewhat large and use the whole box. Yes I fly somewhat fast with my Abbra as it fly's better that way. My Neptuno I used about 3700mah-4200mah depending on the wind. But I could fly it slower. It's very windy here in the valley where I fly. Fly in the wind, use more Mah. It's really that simple. You may not be able to imagine it, but that's how I do it partner. hehe

Hope this helps clear your imagination.. Have a good night!

Chris

patternflyer1

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More amps doesn't mean more power Jarvis. Clearly I was an advocate for the Axi way back when, and I can tell you that the 2 motors are very close in power. Tom could probably comment on this also as he had a gazillion flights on the Axi since way back when also. Not knocking the Axi, it's a good motor also.

Oh and Jarvis, with the PU packs, I got 2900 watts at 78 amps with a voltage of just over 37 volts with the prototype that I fly in the Abbra.

C

jarvis johnson

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Hey Chris
So that mean I can them next weekend in Hollister.
LOL

patternflyer1

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I would be glad to let you fly a set. No worries my brotha! Perhaps I will order 2 more sets so that you could try them all weekend Jarvis. They are worth what Chris is asking for them. Easily. Good packs man!

I'll have my new Neptuno done within a few weeks. I'll let you fly it when I get it trimmed out. Although I may put a Q80 in it. You may not like my setup though. I don't use near as much throw as a lot of people. I hit full elevator in a lot of pulls and pushes. haha

I may have to make an adapter if you run your packs as 2 5 cells. I run mine as a 10 cell. Let me know and I'll make one up.

Chris

wattsup

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Chris, Sorry I bothered you! I was looking for positive imput, not belittleling!___Everette

Rune

sounds almost equal to what I exerience on my Xigris I fly P011 but use just a bit more than you !
The engine is just enough in windy conditions and the plane is 4,6 kg
Use 21x14 apc e