cmoulder

Got in a few more flights recently with the best results obtained from the Falcon 20x13, when compared with the PT 20x13 and PT 20x12. The numbers were actually quite similar with the PT 20x12 and the Falcon 20x13. The PT 20x13 had significantly higher numbers and more battery consumption.

The high spike early in the graphed data is a full-throttle static run-up of about 3-4 seconds duration shortly before take-off. The static throttle-up pulled about 106 amps (also 4000 watts and over 7000 rpm!), but while flying the Advanced sequence the maximum amp draw was 85 amps tops and it was reasonably thrifty with battery consumption.

cmoulder

An interesting trend when looking at the multi-session view of the graph recorded with different props. Supports the earlier perception that the Falcon 20x13 is pretty good!

nonstoprc

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I wonder a PT 21X13 would be too much for the motor.

Henning

I use both PT 21x13 and APC 21x13 with the Adcance but with a reduced throttle end point. I only use 80% power.

Henning

Hans Meij

Two motors in this thread are discussed the Evo 30-09 and Advance 30-10. Latest post are about the Evo, earlier posts about the Advance.
The Advance does not have any problem with big props, the Evo 30-09 does.

cmoulder

What is the maximum wattage at that setting, and rpm as well?

Now that I know the maximum output I can start scaling it down a bit.

cmoulder

I also had on hand a Falcon 21x14 and 20.5x14.5 but for this reason did not even bother to try them. I already knew that even the PT 20x13 was "pushing" it a bit.

However, I am wondering, is there any gained efficiency (or other advantages) by using a bigger prop at a reduced power setting?

Henning

PT21x13 on an Advance
Max readings: 3000 W and 85A static with top charged Hyperion CX10S 5000 mAh 25C. I have no RPM readings. The amps will start decreasing slowly. I have not done the measurement with the APC but the consumption in the air is more or less the same. The PT is slightly louder. I normally use 3200mAh on a P13 flying big and “fast� by European standard.

Henning

nonstoprc

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Thanks. I have the Advance and it sounds like the motor is quita capable of handling pt 21x13. The motor is in the box as i am debating whether it is more powerful than the Neu f3a.

I once tested the pt21x13 on Neu f3a and was not quite happy about the top pull. As a comparison, the apc 20.5x13 is more capable of delivering the punch.

If anybody has first hand experiences running these two motors, please share.

cmoulder

The APC shape, blade width and pitch - a lot more of each at the root of the blade compared to PT - might be better.

The Falcons are carbon fiber APC clones so it isn't surprising that they perform similarly... even better at approximately half the weight! Or less than 1/3 the weight with the V2 Falcons weighing in at 37 grams!!

cmoulder

Thanks, Henning, for the information.

Confirms what I see in the graphs, that 3000 watts is more than adequate for my flying.

can773

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The Advance will run 22" props without any trouble, any of the 20.5's or 21's are fine as well with it.

Derek.Koopowitz

Bob,

I'm using a Falcon 21x14 prop with my Advance - 74amps on the ground at 6200 rpm at full throttle.

cmoulder

Thanks, Derek. Mine is the Xtra 30-09 Evo II, but I have an Advance on order.

mups53

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I'm installing my new Advance into my New Nuance. Can anyone give me the correct settings for my ESC?
I'm using the CC80 Ice HV. Thanks, Mike Mueller

wagen017

You can use the same settings as on a Pletty 30-10evo. Hope this helps!

Otherwise check with mdjohnson.

Volkert

can773

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Mike, Volkert is correct, if you setup your Ice to work on a 30-10 Evo, it should work identical on the Advance.

nonstoprc

My Feedback: (90)

Thanks and galad to know the Advance can handle 22" props. I will give it a try.

Could somebody post a copy of the settings for CC HV 85 or 80 esc to use with the Advance?

Thanks in advance.

woodie

Just received my Plettenberg Advance motor and was somewhat surprised when I weighed it. 601 grams including prop bolt/nut and washer, no bullet connectors. I was expecting the 565gr as advertised. Even removing the prop bolt/nut and washer it is 582gr. Anyone else notice this? So much for the couple ounces I was expecting to save over my current motor setup.

I have flown planes with the Advance motor in them and the motor is powerful, quiet and runs cool. Just somewhat surprised at this delta over advertised weight.

Woodie

cartercg

Woodie, my advance with prop washer, nut etc also weights just over 600g, same as yours. So it does seem to be a little heavier than the advertised weight, but is a great motor non the less.

Regards
Clint

woodie

Thanks Clint, I also contacted a couple of my friends with Advance motors and they had the same 600gr total. I can see no way to get the Advance weight down to 565gr even removing the wires, unfortunate. On the other hand, everyone I have spoken with about the Advance has been very happy.

Woodie

2Sunny

Not sure if they changed this at some point, but Plettenberg advertises 595g on their site. I wonder if the 565 was an early guess rather than the actual. Either way you can add me to the long list of folks that love this motor

[link=http://www.plettenberg-motoren.com/german/Motoren/Brushless/Advance30/Masse.htm]Data for Advance 30-10[/link]



Joe

woodie

Joe, could be a recent change and you could probably get the weight down to 595 by clipping the motor lead wires shorter. I went by what was published by Plettenberg on their description of the motor here:

http://www.plettenberg-motoren.com/g...ce30/motor.htm which states 565g

I have no doubt of it being a good motor, and this is not a big deal, just a disappointment based on my expectations.

Woodie

Jason Arnold

Hi Guys,

Think of it this way, you're getting more for your money....

Cheers,
Jason.

wingster

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Just weighed one that I received in January. 598g without connectors. 578g w/o prop mounting hardware.