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I think perhaps people misunderstood my comments.. I wasn't trying to criticize Extreme Flight, more just saying the market for a low-cost competitive pattern airplane is much bigger than people estimated. Model Aviation in general is shrinking, and something like this could REALLY revitalize pattern.

FWIW.. when I was judging at the Tucson Aerobatic Shootout this past week, there were A LOT of young kids involved, and the average age of the 4-minute Freestyle competitors was around 17, with the youngest being 13. The interest is out there.. Pattern just has to find a way to grab some attention.

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I think alot of people would be more interested in Pattern if the planes were more "affordable".... and now they are, and hopefully soon more "Plentiful"....
I had never even flown a Pattern plane until a few years ago before I moved down to Georgia when my friend Chris Maier brought out his dad's Focus and I thought that type of airframe suited my flying style better than anything else and I enjoyed flying it, then I hadn't flown another until the Vanquish protoypes were done....
Not may people get the chance to feel a "Pattern" plane as most people are flying Edges, Extras, Warbirds....stuff like that....

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I don't ever see pattern growing like the 3D world has. It just doesn't have the excitement. Yes, it makes you a better pilot, but you will never get the turnout for a pattern contest as you do for TAS and other large IMAC events with Freestyle. Honestly if it wasn't for the freestyle side I don't think you'd see the crowds turnout at Tuscon. Pattern takes a certain type of individual and with the large numbers of 3D aircraft available, it is much easier to get into. You still don't need a Vanquish or any other 2m plane to fly pattern, but most people don't believe so. There are smaller cheaper options available that most don't use. Not everyone in IMAC believes your first plane needs to be a 40% with a DA 170 on the nose, but for some reason everyone believes you need a 2m plane with the latest and greatest in pattern to fly Sportsman and that isn't the case. While more inexpensive options are great for pattern, the real challenge is showing your average guy with an Ugly Stick at the field that he can get through Sportsman with it and at least get it feet wet.

Arch

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Arch,
I totally agree... alot of guys are flying Pattern with the 78" Extra we released last year. I had flown other Pattern "Type" planes but flying the first "Real" pattern plane was definitely different....

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Blair,

Agreed, but you can say the same for flying your first 40% airplane. As you know I LOVE the Vanquish and the concept in general and it is a great first 2m airplane, but you certainly don't need a 2m plane to try competing.

Arch

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Not to mention some great people in Pattern!
I had heard "Rumors" of some pretty "Unique" people but you will have that in anything...

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I actually didn't care much for the first 40% plane I flew! LOL

I get your point though, and you are certainly right

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I think the market is big for a plane like this.... The pattern plane that is not made anymore...(can't remember the name) was not a HUGE seller as Arch had said, but let's face it...
It didn't look ANYTHING like the NEW type of pattern planes like this one does!.... And that one went for 700$....and it looked OLD TECH....

It looks like a PITA to make gas...
Maybe.. 2years from now I will have a 73 electric plane... but not now...
Too much for my brain... at this point to wrap around all the mish mash... that electric batteries and motors entail...

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One doesn't need a 2m plane to compete. I competed in the top-level class here in the Netherlands (F3A-A, P11) with a Sebart WindS 110, and didn't do so bad, considering I was new to the class and relatively new to flying in general.

However, some remarks.. in the last 2 pages other people who were angry at me in the past, have confirmed everything I ever said when the Vanquish was not available yet and for which exactly those people were angry at me.

EF makes more money on the other planes, so they get precedence. Nothing wrong with that, they would be crazy if they didn't operate like that, no-one benefits from a company churning out F3A birds but going bankrupt in the process.

Offcourse Chris and his team are in this to make money. They should be, it's a commercial business. However, they don't seem to be greedy, pricing for all EF products seems fair and the Vanquish is the lowest-priced decent 2m F3A bird out there, so I can hardly imagine anyone complaining about that.

It stands to reason the profit margin on a 40% 3D bird is higher, so they manufacture more of those. Perfectly logical and nothing wrong with that.

However, don't present the Vanquish as being an 'altruistic hero action' by EF, that would be nonsense. The Vanquish is not an EF design, it is a modyfied existing design, and purely technical it's a wood plane with covering. Look at the EF 78" Extra 300, it costs 450 dollar, 200 less than the Vanquish, while it's built from the same wood, covered with the same covering, built in the same factory and roughtly the same size.

The market for a plane like the Vanquish is imo bigger than the market for an Extra 300 in the same size. The fact that they sell so well, also proves that the market at least is bigger than EF suspected.

You can buy lot's of extra 300-s out there in the 2m (78") size. EF is not the only manufacturer, not even the only one using this factory producing such a plane. However, the Vanquish IS unique in it's kind.

The idea that 3D is more popular, makes no sense and in my opinion is simply wrong. It's based upon the idea that one could only fly pattern with the Vanquish (or any other pattern plane) and that people would find that boring. Granted, as a contest discipline, pattern is boring (for the audience). However, these planes simply fly very well, better than their 3D counterparts and MOST flyers aren't capable of using the 3D capabilities ie. the Extra 300 has. An average sports flyer would be better served with a Vanquish than with an Extra 300.

There's a HUGE market out there of people who can't fly 3D, or won't, but would benefit from a really good neutral flying plane, and who don't want to own 'just another extra'. This market is WAY bigger than the 3D market will ever be.

Bring the Vanquish to the Extra 300 pricelevel and produce it in the same amounts. I wouldn't be suprised if the vanquish would then constantly be sold out before any Extra or any other 3D plane.

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I'm curious, was there a "list" for the 2m vanquish? When I contacted extreme flight a while back and asked about a list their reply was that they will be available for purchase when they are on the website. So I took that as no list.

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I really don't know if there was an actual list for the Vanquish. I have nothing to do with lists or who's getting what. I know there have been lists in the past though.
I know we had a list for the 125" and when we finally got them many of the people on the list had gotten tired of waiting and got something else yet we waited two and three days to find out from each person before moving to the next on the list.....

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When I contacted Curtis (or Chris) at the beginning of the summer, I was told there was no "list".

Peter+

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Yeah I got a different response when I put myself on the list for the 125" extra. I was asked about which one I want and firewall position. So I know there is an actual list for that plane. I just read a few posts in this thread as to being on the list so I was a little confused about it. I'll just have to get the vanquish next time around. I am however still waiting on the 125" extra. Was told it could be a while. Hope the next container is sooner than later

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Hezik
Couldn't agree with you more mate, every time a sport flyer at our club or anywhere flys a pattern ship even a 90 size they can't believe how well and how easy they are to fly well.
They give average flyers the confidence to try new stuff but there seems to this elite mystique thing surrounding pattern where Joe Average sport flyer thinks hes not good enough somehow to fly a pattern bird just for fun, I am constantly fighting that mind set around my area.
Every time I fly something not designed primarily for pattern( apart from F3D pylon) I think *** is this thing about and can't get back to pattern models quick enough.
Somehow as a group we have managed to make it the best kept secret in RC.
Cheers
Greg Hede

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So true. My Osiris flew so much better than any other airplane I'd ever flown that I suddenly had the confidence to enter pattern competitions. I'm inconsistent, and I still have a LOT to learn, but I'm having a blast and now I'm moving up to a full 2M ship with the Vanquish (and the 2M Osiris when it's available). Pattern has a new sportsman (and, I hope, someday an Intermediate) that it wouldn't have had any other way. And I'm sucking my buddies into it too :-)

Peter+

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They don't do lists. anymore.... Not enough staff, and it is a huge hastle.....

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Hmm maybe not but I'm on the list now for a 125" extra when they get back in stock.

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We believe you (wink, wink) . . . .
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LOL, Thanks!
Now if only could remember where I put my "Book of Secrets"!

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It's in the 3rd Vanquish box from the left. Ooops, I guess you shipped that one out to me. Now I pwn all your secrets! :-)

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Dang,
Now you will know all about the EF Vanquish Conspiracy along with "Other" secrets!

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First impressions

Mine (really my father's) arrived yesterday and after a quick review here are my first impresions:

The build looks top quality and should make an amazin flying plane. I did notice a few differences between the plane in the manual and this thread, and the one a received. the cowl in my plane is a single piece instead of a two piece, not that this bothers me or consider it to be a problem I actually like it better. Also in mine the canopy is held in place with two 3mm screws that go through the fuse I will probably change this to a release pin for easy removal. Outside these two things everything looks to be the same as in the manual.
BTW for motor options the firewall comes predrilled for the torque motor, according to my calculations the mounting pattern in the firewall is 40mm dia X 3 soanEvo 30-10or a Himax 6330-200/210 should drop in perfectly. The four blind nuts give me aM4X4 68mm diaso a hacker Q60 should also drop in perfectly. I still have to buy equipment and probably won't have it ready to fly until january. For set up I considering the following
Ailerons 2X S9551
Elevators 2X S9650
Rudder 1X BLS-155
2 X tech aero PLR5 switches & 2X thunder power 900mah battery packs
CC Ice 80HV
Motor I still have to decide between the Q60 and the Himax 6330-210 any comments would be appreciated.
2 X Turnigy 5000mah 5S 25C

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g_mkoch,

Those two motors are great options! I also heard that Shulman Aviation just received their new Fury motors and are a perfect fit for the Vanquish.

http://shulmanaviation.com/product_i...oducts_id=1790

thanks,
Chris

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Pretty much my servo set-up Chris... only I need the rudder servo... I put a 9651 in mine but want the brushless instead.... Haven't finished it yet though... but before I do I want to change the rudder servo...

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The Fury should also fit without any problems, you might need to use one of the plywood spacers that come with the kit to get the right clearance for the cowl.

Right now I cannot decide for the motor, I really like the Q60 but is it really worth $250 more than the Himax or the Fury? Also would an Ice 80HV work for the Q60 right? Maybe a motor expert could drop by and give me some insight?