RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

What's the power setup of that Vanquish? I'm looking for a 3S capable plane to back up my Wind.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

I did have the side force generators installed; One of the SFG's was warpped right out ot the box which was disappointing considering that everything else about this plane is made with quality! Idid remove them after 5 months, Imust admit it did NOT make any difference in the way it flys. Ibelieve the plane looks cleaner without them. One hint, if you decide to put them on, once you find the right wing rib to line up with, put a clear scotch tape (1/2wide) over top and bottomof the wing and then glue the SFG's over the tappedareaThat way you don't damage the finish and later if you decide to remove them you can peel out the tapes.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

The best motor of choice for the Vanquish is the Scorpion 3026 710 KV, but it runs a 4 cell 3000, just as I run the 2 of the 3000 4 S packs in my Wind 110. I don't like trying to get the power (AMPs) needed for the Vanquish out of a 3 S, so always go 4 S for that kind of power. Get 6 minutes of about anything I want, and about the same with the Vanquish. Do the Masters pattern in 6 minutes with the Vanquish, but not quite with the Wind. My opinion is the Wind could stand 4000 to 4500 packs just to add some weight. Its a bounces quite a bit in 10-15 mph winds, with the larger than normal pattern wing it has. All JMO. Think the Wind 110 and my 2 meter Paneca has almost idenical square inches.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

I fly the WindS with 8s 5000mAh, current version about 4150 grams AUW. No problem at all. A P11 flight takes about 2500mAh.

Concerning the SFG's, these aren't SFG's but wingfences. i think they're more gadgets included because the 2m WindS has them. The WindS 110 actually isn't a WindS, but an Angel, which didn't have them.

The 2m WindS has swept wings, which make wingfences more usefull.

The idea behind wingfence is that on a swept wing one gets an airflow in the width of the wing. Toward the tips this airflow has the potential of 'overruling' the airflow in the length, thus negating lift at the tip. Wingfences are used to break this airflow.

Since the WindS is rather stable without them, doesn't drop a wing when exiting a slowly flown looping, I doubt it they would be very usefull.

I have mounted the canalizer. I don't like the construction, mine broke in-flight (in Figure M). Removed the whole contraption alltogether.

Though it's not a big difference, I did notice that especially the figure M comes easier with canaliser than without.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Interesting. Iwonder if thewingrences that come withWind 2m are to be mounted the same way as 110? As much Ilove SebArt planes I was turned off by the wingfences and they recommnedation for installing them! Ihad to holdthe wings over my headand look throught a bright light so Ican find the rightwingrib and line up the wingfence (one warpped)over it and then find the perfect spot to put the hole in the leading edge of the wing.Iwish they had designedsome kind of mounting system that you could easily install and remove them. Do you know if the 2m Wind is going be the same?

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

My 4 S 3000's are getting to warm for me working the Masters pattern, ( 125 degrees), and its not the Mills burned, but the heat developing, and think if I bump up to at least the 4000's it'll be a little less stress on the lipo's, and probably run cooler. At least thats been my experience. Going to look at venting from the front a bit better over the next weeks. Think the weight of the 5000's might almost be a good thing :).

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

I have been flying with 5S 5000mah 30C batteries, and weight really is not an issue. I haven't messed much with breaking yet, but for anything less than Masters the plane doesn't need it. With the CF gear, I was able to stuff the heavy batteries and 2 Rx batteries all in front of the wing tube with no additional tail weight. I just got a set of lighter 20C batteries, and lighter Rx batteries for a 3oz weight savings. Hoping to test that out today. I bought them before really flying the plane figuring weight savings was always good, and for a little room for changing the CG around.

I have yet to use over 3000mah. I have flown 10 minute flights with numerous high power uplines, and flying Sportsman schedule 2x through is about 2500mah.

The 17x12 prop flies the plane really well; allows you to save a bunch of throttle for verticals, has plenty of speed in uplines, and STILL has some left over punch to deal with a head wind. *****g out at 61.5 amp current draw. Nothing is hot at the end of flying.

All this means you can fly 4000mah, 5S battery packs if you are concerned with weight, and still not stress the batteries.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Here's a better vid of just me, flying P11 with the WindS 110. Nowhere near a perfect flight, but it does show the plane has the potential.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnDE3cteBg4

Hacker A50-16L
APC-E 18x10
Hacker Jeti Spin 99 OPTO (timing 23 degrees, spinup time 0.2s, brake: start 20% end 80% speed 0.3s)
Zippy Flightmax 8s 5000mAh 30C
2x Futaba BLS 153 (aileron)
2x Futaba S9650 (elevator)
1x Futaba BLS 451 (rudder)
2x Zippy Flightmax 2s 500mAh 30C (receiver)
Assan X8R receiver

AUW 4150 grams

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Something interesting I found today: the 30C Zippy batteries I have are a bit heavier than the 20C Rhinos, however since the Rhinos are longer, the balance point is shifted forward and actually makes the plane more nose heavy. Perfect balance with the Zippys against the wing tube, just a touch nose heavy with the Rhinos there.

The plane is flying great. It really shows me how bad I am at this, but also is giving me a solid platform to improve with.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

I now have 4 flights and it is trimmed. I have no problem slowing it on downlines using the 18x10 prop. I also corrected my post #882 on the elevator trim to read "The elevator just needed two clicks of nose down, and the control surface is down about 1/2mm. " This tells me the balance and incidence is good. More power that I need so far on an intermediate pattern as I have not gone above 60% throttle.

This thing does fly great!!

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Got 7 more flights on mine today and truly it is flying well, but honestly think the wing is 6" or more to long. Think it would better serve the pattern feller with 850 or so squares instead of the close to 1000, However its all about the stick moves cause the power is there. Do LOVE that slow speed ability however, but the larger than pattern wing IMO makes the tail a little more hunting than my 2 meter plane, but what can ya expect for $600 :). I'll have it just like I like in about 30 more flights, and its getting better every day.
Got one of students transfering to somewhere in VA thats been flying pattern with me a few years now in both the Senior pattern and the AMA stuff. Not sure which AFB he's been asigned, but will find out and tell ya.
Doing the Masters pattern with 2600-2700 mills, and will bump up to some 4000 mill packs soon, and give my 3000's a break. 2600 out of 3000 is pushing it a bit. The 3000's are good packs for the Sequence, and the Vanquish, and just couldn't resist using them for the Wind 110 as well to save a few bucks for starters :)

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Good video Henri,

Great to see the Wind in action, I'm really looking forward to putting mine together. I have all the parts ordered now it is just waiting for them to arrive.

Do you know how many Amp's you are drawing with that setup?

I plan on using the same battery setup except i plan on using 8s 5000mAh 20C.

thanks
Ross

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Here's a comparison of two different lipo's:

8s 5000mAh Zippy Flightmax 30C, with 150 flights on it vs
8s 5000mAh Hyperion 25C, with 3 flights on it:

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5895/naamloosey.jpg

lightblue is the hyperion voltage, purple it's current, green is the zippy voltage, red the current.

As you can see average A full throttle is about 60~65 A.

Interesting about this graph is that the Hyperion does not outperform the Zippy Pack. Sure it has a slightly higher voltage, but it's new (3rd flight) as oppose to the zippy which has 150 cycles on it already.

Also note that after ca. 11 minutes, I landed with the Hyperion but continued flying with the zippy up untill 15 minutes. This is why the end voltage of the Zippy is a lot lower.. but if you look at the 11 minute mark, they're practically the same.

Both P11 flights, after finishing P11 I practiced some more figures with the Zippy Pack.

I also have RPM and throttle logged, max RPM for both packs is around 7700RPM. Maximum power output about 2.1kW, average of 'full throttle' is 1980Watt.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Many thanks Henri.

Information like that is pure gold.

I can see that my choice of motor, controller and battery are well within limits.

BTW have you ever measured the current draw of the servo's? It looks like the system you have is a very handy tool.

thanks
Ross

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

MJ,
How is the Wind flying for you??
Will you be coming back to Ca this year?

Mike

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Been trying to find an Angel S50 and have had no luck from all the usual places. Anybody know where I might find one in stock ready for shipment?

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Chris Moon at F3A Unlimited is showing them in stock on his web site.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Unless you got nothing else to fly, I would wait a month or two, until the new WindS .50 is available..

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6655/winds50.jpg

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4886/winds50e.jpg

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Last I heard ThunderPower is the new U.S. Distributor nad has most things in stock.

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RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Thanks for your responses. Thunder Power does have all colors in stock. They don't show them on their web site but they do have them if you call them. I currently have a Wind S110 and really like it. My buddy wanted something a little smaller and for 6S setup so I was asking for him. Thanks again for your quick response.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Smaller and 6s, I wouldn't by the Angel. I would either wait for the WindS .50, or buy the Miss Wind .50.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Hi Mike

The Wind is still on the bench and will be for a bit more. I have various parts trickling in from different areas of the world. Some of the gear was on backorder so I have it all set up in my building room and I continue to drool every time I walk in. Hope to have it flying in a couple of weeks, just in time for the Victoria, BC contest. There is a good chance that i will show up again next year for some contesting in CA.......health permitting.

Good luck with the rest of the year!!

Cheers

MJ

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Hope to see you and your Wind soon in D7.

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Quick question, did you use the "EagleTree MicroPower E-Logger" to capture this data?

RE: Sebart Wind 110
 

Yes, I did