i started to fly using the eflite cx and masterd that then the cp then the cpp the pro i got was a used pice of garbage as far as im concerned but that will be explained soon enough
hears the question
the cpp was so tuchy i had a hard time keeping it in a 3x3x3 box in a huver and when i went to fly forward it was like trying to fly a real helo with no one in the cock pit all over the place and very very tuchy i barly tuched the controls and i was gone i took it to our local flying field and the gys there were trying to get it to stablize and couldnt do it on guy offerd to put it out of its missery lol
so hear is the question is the falcon 3d as sensitive as the ccp if so im not getting it.[:@]

The falcon is quite stable and easy to fly when it holds together long enough to fly.

when it holds together long enough could you go into some detail for me if you dont mind thanks matt

It's exactly like I said.While it holds together in the air it flies pretty good.If it was mechanically sound it would make a very good first collective heli.I bought one last Nov. and realized within a couple of weeks that it was going to be an exercise in futility so I put together Dragonus and don't regret that.If you look at the thread at the beginners forum here and the thread over at RCG there are 9000 posts on the Falcon3D.
The plain and simple fact is you get what you pay for.$300 is just not going to get you much in this hobby.At least not in reliability.

[&o]I'll second that! when it 's right it flyies nice, but it is a tinker's dream.(sorry gary) I now have 5 heli's and the Falcon was my first, but it seem's to allway's need a little attention !.

I have to agree about the quality issues on the Falcon-3d. I gave up on mine, just to many little problems over time. I spent the extra $$$ and went for a T-Rex 450SA and could not be more pleased with it. Once the head is set-up, it stays set up! I also like the belt driven tail as compared to the flimsy shaft system on the Falcon-3d. I did get many good flights from my Falcon-3d between repairs (mostly from non crash related part failures) and it was very stable when it worked. Some folks have had good luck with their Falcon's and Hobby Lobby does stand behind them, but dealing with issues takes lots of time, I'd rather be flying.

The CPP is touchy, but something must have been messed up in the setup or system to make it that hard to fly. I had a CPP before my Falcon-3d and could put it pretty much anywhere I wanted to, but the motor driven tail stunk (replacing the tail motor every 50 flights on a good tail motor). That being said, the any of the 400 class heli's (Falcon-3d, T-Rex450XL/SA/SE) will be much more stable than the CPP due to higher head speed, shaft/belt driven tails with good gyros and more size/weight. For the price of two Falcon's, you could get a T-Rex 450SA set up with decent parts, or get a used one for even less. It will be worth it in the long run if you intend to stick with it.

For reference, I purchased my 450SA used on ebay for $575.00 and it included a charger that I sold on E-Bay for $60.00. My setup included 2 Thunder Power 2100MiH 15C batteries, a nice LiPo charger, a Futaba 6EX Tx and Futaba micro receiver, 3 HS65-HB servos for cyclic and a Futaba 3107 for the tail, a 30 A ESC (Align) and a 430L Align brushless motor (3550Kv) and a Align 500x gyro and a ton of spare parts. I have since sold the radio system and went with a DX6 Spektrum setup.

Good luck.

Steve

Yup, I'll second this. The Falcon 3D is easier to fly than a BCPP when it's working, but it's very low quality. Cheap cheap electronics, put together with soft screws which strip or break off very easily, weak mechanical parts. As ptb said, "a tinker's dream". Night and day different from a Trex.

Having said that, you may have had something wrong with your BCP as stevenh suggested, but it might also just be that you were expecting it to fly more like your BCX. No tail rotor heli is going to behave like your BCX, even a bigger heli. However it is true that larger helis will generally be easier to fly than a micro like a BCP.

I would suggest getting a good simulator and learning to fly in the sim first. After learning to hover a micro heli in all orientations in the Phoenix RC sim, I didn't find my BCPP particularly difficult to fly the first time. I'm sure that if I had tried it directly after just learning to fly my BCX, I would have had a much harder time. I know because when I first tried the micro heli in the simulator I couldn't fly it at all.

thanks for the input guys i dont have a lot of money to spend on this hobby so maybe its time to save up and get what i want from the gitgo iv learned a lot in 6 months "what to look for in a good heli" i did find one that i would like you all to check out hear is the link

http://www.trendtimes.com/6-channel-...elt-drive.html

see if you think it might be better or same as the falcon to me it looks like an ok move thanks again matt

Thats a Walkera Dragonfly 36 and I think that the Falcon 3D is probably better then all the Walkera Helicopters. Also, don't buy anything from Trend Times because when I first got into this hobby, I didn't know anything about the prices for helicopters and where to buy them, so I ended up getting ripped off and I bought the Lama V3 for $250 from Trend Times when I could of bought it for $90 at Raidentech.

I would say from my experience that a Falcon 3D and Dragonfly 36 are similar in quality actually. The 36 comes in different configurations, and configurations with brushless motor and HH gyro go for around the same price as a Falcon. The main advantage a Falcon 3D has over Walkera helis, at least in the USA, is just that Hobby Lobby sells the Falcon, and Hobby Lobby offers very good customer support. For me at least though, this didn't make up for the hassle of dealing with a low quality heli like this. If I had a local hobby shop that carried Falcon parts that might have been different.

I would say it's worthwhile to spend a couple hundred more up front and start out with a better setup like this:
http://www.heliproz.com/prodinfo.asp?number=335017COM
You'll almost certainly end up replacing most of the electronics in a cheap RTF like a Falcon or Dragonfly anyway if you stick with it that long, so it's not really going to cost you more in the long run.

If you're worried about the fact that the above is a kit rather than an RTF, consider this: a Falcon 3D or Dragonfly 36 are only nominally RTFs. In practice the assembly quality is poor enough that you really need to go over every single screw on the heli and and remove it and loctite it if it's metal on metal, and otherwise make sure it's tight. You'll also need to make sure everything is setup right, since these helis often come with serious assembly flaws out of the box. In addition, the first time you crash you'll need to reassemble it anyway. So I don't think there's all that much advantage to getting an RTF, especially one that's not even likely to actually be ready to fly. If you do a google search for "finless bob's tech room", you'll find some very nice video series showing how to properly assemble and setup a Trex 450 SE or Trex XL HDE.

I have a friend who has the Falcon 3D. It has very limited cyclic authority available, even with a separate rx. He really wanted to learn to do basic aerobatics with it, but its just not in the cards. Maybe loops from FFF with a good run at it. But flips would be iffy. What really bugs me is magazines that give glowing reviews to helis like this. I'm going to get specific, because I feel forums like this are meant for these kinds of comments when they are thoughtfully presented. The Model Airplane News Summer heli mag always makes mention of these types of helis. I remember last year they put the Venom NR3D in as one of the top 10 micros. I bought one and it was not at all what I had been led to believe. This year's summer issue has a review on the Falcon 3D which talks about its ability as an entry level 3D machine. I think they owe us more honesty than that. This is not a rant. It is a statement of our need to research before we buy. Like this thread. Is the Falcon a good buy? We're all saying no. So ground killer will be rewarded by his efforts. Incidentally, I'm really enjoying the MAN heli issue this summer. Lots of good tips and fun reading. Reviews just need to more accurately reflect the true value of the product.

As the old saying goes.Don't bite the hand that feeds you.