J-3 cub Identifly.
 

Just picked up a Balsa mono coated 3 channel cub.Always wanted one.
58 inch wing span, no clear windows,motor says master air screw on the red cover, Older RX have not a TX yet.
Can any one help me out with some information ?
My first tail dragger.
Thank You.

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1 more of old electronics. Has banana plugs and it looks like a kysho battery plug, male.

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Should I put this in a different forum ?

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That is an oldie but goodie.

Looks like a Electricub.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXNW26&P=7

I would take all of the electric motor gear box and use it for a paper weight.


You can run a BL motor, esc and 3s 220 battery. You would save weight, have more power and longer flights.


Motor
http://www.hobbypartz.com/96m601-big...20-1100kv.html

Battery, of course they are out of stock
http://www.hobbypartz.com/98p-25c-2200-3s1p.html

ESC
http://www.hobbypartz.com/07e05-proton-40a.html


Buzz.

RE: J-3 cub Identifly.
 

Thank You so much for the reply.
Unfortunately I am just getting into the world of electric flight,but already like the no muss no fuss about fuel and glo.
Not saying I`m giving up my Raptor 50 heli:D
.Ok , I have the rubber band wings and no ailerons, that I can live with.The more I look and clean on it the more I like it.

Question time.
What is the purpose of the gear box, I assume the same as a transmission on a car?
Am I going to have to use the gear box on the said motor you recomended ? And will it fit, never heard of this brand.Or will this motor be up for the task.? It looks like it offsets the prop height.
Nice price too.
I have a new (my first 2.4g futaba 6 EX radio) gonna take out the RX from another trainer and use in the cub.
Oh and thanks for the high lights and vidioes, do you deal with this out fit for parts and such ? Delivery times, no rush just excited to get started.

Oh, and if the gent still has the TX would it be worth it to put her back to stock as in how he flew it ?Or is the newer stuff just the way to go ?
Thanks again.
PS picked out the feild for maiden already.

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The gear box was to turn bigger props with less amps. In the stock form, I flew mine that way, I would get 5 minutes of powered flight MAX It was under powered and flew on the wing only. Not worth your time to try and fly it that way.

The motor I linked to will run direct drive, ( no gear box) with a 12X6 APC "E" prop. With the battery, motor, prop combo you will have 3 times the power and 3 times the flight time. You will have to make a mount for the brushless motor. It could be a simple wood box bolted to the firewall or stand offs.

When I order from Hobbypartz, I get it in 2 days. I am close to them though.

Another place to get about the same setup

Motor
http://www.valuehobby.com/power-syst...outrunner.html

ESC
http://www.valuehobby.com/power-syst...-40a-ubec.html

Battery
http://www.valuehobby.com/power-syst...200mah-3s.html


Buzz.

RE: J-3 cub Identifly.
 

I weighed the craft with 2 servos in stalled.
Came out to be
840 grams.
2960 ounces or
1.850 pounds.

I have a brush less E Flight 25 with a a Jeti6-16 nc/ ( the other words are worn off) ADVANCE 40 OPTD PLUSE I pulled from another plane

Can I use this for my application to start?
Or is this under powered ?
Trying to use what I have as to lack of cabbage at this time.
Thankyou for all the help.
Nitro was easey, .20 -90 put on a prop and fly.
Motors ,speed controllers, batt`s have a whole different world to me.

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The Eflite 25 weighs about 2 0unces more then the eflite, tacon 10 and would need to use a larger ESC and battery to get the most out of it.

With the tacon 10, 12X6 APC "E" prop, 3s 2200 lipo battery you should have 4 pounds of thrust. That should be more then enough to fly that around.

Yes my money garden has not grown for a while my self.

Buzz

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So your saying the my eflight 25 with the jetti 40 esc wouldn` be up for the task ?
I measured the tip of the motor in the mount to the table and have 8 inches.
12 inch prop would be in the dirt no ?

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So your saying the my eflight 25 with the jetti 40 esc wouldn` be up for the task ?
I measured the tip of the motor in the mount to the table and have 8 inches.
12 inch prop would be in the dirt no ?

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Just picked up a new ESC, common sense RC 75 A OPTO 2-5 S Liithium
My LHS is worthless....I have another thread started about a trainer I have that weighs 36.35 ounces
I have 2 battires on hand.
Turnigey 4000 mah 3 cell 11.1 volt 20-30C
and a Lipo 1500mah 4S 14.8 volt
I have the J3 cub and another trainer that weighs36.35 ounces.
I think Im over powered for the cub and under powered for the trike..
Readey to go back to gas.
LHS deals with cars, and orders from Tower for parts and help.
AAAARggggg.
Getting frustrating.

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Well the eflite 25, with a 4s battery should fly a 4 pound (64 ounce) plane with ease. It should be putting out some where around 5.25 pounds of thrust. So it is over powered for the Cud and the small 2 pound plane.

I use this calc tool.

http://www.s4a.ch/eflight/motorcalc_e.htm

This little motor on a 3s battery turning a 10X6 prop will fly the 36 ounce plane

http://www.e-fliterc.com/Products/De...rodID=EFLM1505

Or this one

http://www.hobbypartz.com/75m21-opti...10-1020kv.html

I too was going way over kill on the motor battery size. I have learned that sometimes smaller lighter is more power.

The 3s 4000 is a little big for the Cub butt will work. Just more weight to fly around. You will get real long flights with it.

Buzz.

RE: J-3 cub Identifly.
 

Ok i`m starting to get it ,Thanks for the Cal.
Now, with the RX battery , I have a 6ex radio and rx,
I assume that the battery that pugs into the motor and esc will power the servos and RX ?
No need for a separate Rx Batt ?

RE: J-3 cub Identifly.
 

That is correct. The ESC has a built in BEC (battery eliminator circuit ) It will power the servos and Rx. It plugs into the throttle channel.

Buzz.

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Gonna go to the LHS they are having a 50 % sale off there Common sense motors.
They have one that will drag a 24-44 ounce plane for 35 $
And a one that will drag a 31-58 ounce 42$
But I have to revisit your prices that you set me up with. Yours was mutch cheaper and who cant use more Batt`s
It`s just a PIA dealing with car guys(NO OFFENSE ) who dont know what prop pitch is.

RE: J-3 cub Identifly.
 

Well I am a plane, helicopter, car, boat kind of guy.

Common sense makes GOOD motors.

You are looking for a motor in the range of 35mm dia by 42mm long Length can go to 48-50mm with a KV rating of 900-1100KV weight around 140-160 grams.

Higher KV smaller prop, lower KV larger prop.

That should put you in the ball park.


Buzz.

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Is this for the Cub 29 .60 ounces Common sense 24-44 ounce puller
Or the trike 36.35 ounces ? 31- 58 ounce puller.
Happy to hear its a good product.
I assume you mean Killi volts ?
Please bear with me.....Just hate spending money on non returnable parts.
Was gonna get both so I could get them both in the air.

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The 24-44 one should fly the 36 ounce plane but would be to small for the Cub

The one that is rated for 31-58 ounce should fly the Cub.

Cub should come in about 40 ounces.

I looked for the motors but was not able to find any information about them. No motor goes to waste. You can always build a foam board plane and have a ton of fun.



Buzz.

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No motor goes to waste I like the way you think, were on the same page.
Just checked Eflight web page,
The brushless 25 I have will drag a 3 to 5.5 pound plane
On a 3 s or 4 S lipo. Still trying to figure that out. I have the 4S 1500 mah 14.8 V I think that will work but be under powered.
That is going in the Trike 3 pounder trainer I have.


I will PU the common sense motor for the cub. 24 to 44 ounce model puller They have.But was also thinking it might be better for the cub that it only weighs 29.60 ounces.


Just gonna have to figure out the prop sizes.

I know this is probabley 2and nature to you and Thank You for all the help.
Sorry for beating a dead horse.
Just wish my LHS was more knowledgeable about planes.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA

Second nature, not even close. I have lost a lot of brain cells trying to under stand this stuff. Not easy but you will get the hang of it.


Buzz.

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Have the motor , esc and I think the right batt.
If you look a the first pic of the plane with the gear drive the prop is going to be mounted higher in the cowl. Should I just saw off the old motor mount ? And build another one ? or where can I find different motor mounts that work with the 4 screw backing plat that comes with my CSRC E8-S-10. Its alot shorter than the original table weight.

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Looking forward to my Tax refund check, a B&F might be in my future.

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Ecstended and reinforced the fire wall. Felt good to modify something. Now it s personal.

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Back to the drawing board.
Mounted The CSRC motor E8 S 10
Used Jeti 30 plus 6-10 NC / 2-3 LIXX Esc.
Turnigy 4.0 4000 mah 20-30 C discharge 3 cell 11.1 volt batt.

Took it to LHS and the guy said your good to go.

Left the wing off and was taxing in the street for 5 -10 minutes.

I had high hopes that I would get to fly the next day.
Brought it in the house and wanted to see what kind of thrust she had, Held on and went WOT.
Very very impressed with the POWER I had , till the puff of smoke and a terrible sound came from the motor.
She tries to spin but wont engage.
Looks like I will be placing an order through your guys.

Very frustrating,

RE: J-3 cub Identifly.
 

Was it the motor or ESC?

I think the 30 amp ESC was a bit low for this setup. What prop were you using?

Here is a link to an online calc tool for electric motors.

http://www.ecalc.ch/motorcalc.htm?ecalc&lang=en


May have had a little to much prop on it. Do you have a watt meter?

http://www.hobbypartz.com/aeo-p0-watt-meter.html

I have let the magic smoke out a few to many times, so I can relate to your feelings.


Buzz.

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It was the motor.
I was using 11-9 wood prop M- Air screw electric.
No watt meter. Yet.

RE: J-3 cub Identifly.
 

Running an11X9 seems to be a bit much. You did find out it would do it, but not for very long.

Well, you can try to put the magic smoke back in? I have never been able to. :)

I have burned up a lot of stuff learning E power. It is sort of the badge of E power.


Buzz.

RE: J-3 cub Identifly.
 

Smoke went out the window before I could grab it.
So your saying go to a 10 prop ?
Badge of honer, is staring to look like a bind and fly badge, till I figure out what I`m doing.

RE: J-3 cub Identifly.
 

Now where is the fun of doing it right the first time :)

Well you could have used an 11X7, 11X6, 11X5. This is where and why a watt meter is needed.

Lets say you wanted to run the 11X9 prop. You start with a 10X6 to see how many watts you have. Then you try an 11X5 Then step up until you know you can run the 11X9 or you find you are at the limit of the ESC, motor or battery. A bunch of props is cheap when you figure out how much it costs to burn a few motors and ESC's.

Last time I let the smoke out was with a 5055 motor and a 6s battery. The ESC went up. Glad I did not loose the $150.00 battery, $60.00 motor. I just lost the $45.00 SEC, and a pair of shorts.


Buzz.

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You dont drag race do ya ?
I try to get things right the first time.

Gonna choke the guy at the LHS ! Yeah ...that looks good.....great answer?
Cause the prop turned ? You $%^#$@#%%^$.
Im gonna order what what you recommended in previous posts to get this girl air born with out the ( magic smoke) cause I like her due to the all balsa construction .

My cabbage garden sprouted, by the sweat and my aching back, ( gonna kill my guidance consular) ,
And tower has free shipping so might get a B_F to take the edge off or get the .50 Raptor heli back in the air .
Thanks for the help web was down due to maintenance.
Funny I have to get advice from some body on the other coast of the USA. And these guys are 6 blocks away.
Now thats fun.
Thanks. Still at it.

RE: J-3 cub Identifly.
 

Well yes I did do a lot of drag racing. Blew the hell out of a truck load of 327's. We managed to kill almost every motor we built. We tried every thing, water injection, water/alcohol injection, NOS, and so on. We were running well past the raged edge. It look good on paper. But real life has a way to say NOPE, you going to break!!! We had a good free supply of parts. Buddies dad own a wrecking yard. Lots of junk to build and break.

If you work with the online calc tools, they will help. They are about 10% or so from what you may read when you run them up.




Buzz.

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Thats too funny. Miss those days. Awesome you guys have a ton of parts to experiment with.
I`m not giving up.

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Order placed......let you know what happens.

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It`s together ! Not pretty, the can was longer than the cowl.I can cut that out
I put the biggest prop on her I have 11 x.5.5 Man it blew everything off my bench.
I checked the ballance from 2 marks I found on the fuse under the wing. Feels good.

Now if I could just get this @%#$%!!$ wind to stop blowing !
Its taking every fiber of my being not to go test it.
I am a novice pilot and have been down that road of letting my excitment over ride my better judgement.
Gotta stop blowing some time.
Thanks again.

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The ole bench clearing method. Yeah, I too have used that one.

She should balance on the spar.

You should be able to cruise around at 1/2 throttle or less. Should not have a problem with being under powered :)

Let me know how the re-maiden goes.


Buzz.

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After 2 trips to the house for servo reversing DUHHHHHHH [:@] . New TX Futaba 6 fasst. Very new to me
I got her squared away pretty good, of coarse the wind picked up and I was nervous as heck, with the shiny mono coat and all.

I had to move the 2200 batt all the forward as I could to get a decent CG off the wing spar as you mentioned.

I have flown foamies and to cut the power and make a mistake it was no big deal.With this, the thought of pieces were in my head the whole time.

The heck with it ! Its only money and I can make more!

Advanced throttle,a little up on elevator and she was up.
ALOT faster than I thought she would. 25 feet.
Took me by surprise, leveled out kinda, I was running out of room and went for ailerons and there were none, ooops.]
Right rudder, nose dipping, kids came outta no where, she flew like a brick.
Mind you I was only at 1/4 throttle.
Brought her back in touched down and she flipped in the tall grass.

WOOOOOHOOOOO She FLYS !!!!:D:D:D:D.
Broke off the home made motor mount .No big deal. Time to retool.
Better motor mount, larger flying field, and open her up a little bit more. I think it was more of a staling issue.I was afraid to hit the juice. I have epoxy .
Thanks again for all the help. It really boosted my confidence!

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Oh! schould I just chop off what they had in my original picture of the motor mount and go directly to the fire wall ?
Or do I have to get a stand off mount.
I have some aluminum stock around here.
I`m sure by moving the motor in, my CG will be furthere back.
Sorry i`m rammy and wanna start cutting.

RE: J-3 cub Identifly.
 

I would remove all of the junk that was there and start clean from the fire wall. You can make a simple ply box, buy a motor mount, make stand offs. You could cut a slot in the firewall to slide the battery into to move it forward.

Do you have the rudder hooked up to the left hand stick? As in throttle and rudder are on the same stick? If so, putting the rudder on the right stick makes it easier to fly, just like ailerons. I set my 3 channel planes up with the rudder and elevator on the right hand stick and only throttle on the left stick.

Once you get her trimmed in, she will glide pretty well.

Sounds like you had a good re maiden flight.

I may build a foam version of this plane. I have been using up a lot of dollar tree foam. A buck a sheet is hard to pass up.


Buzz.

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Ordered a great planes adjustable mount.
Gonna chop the front clean and start fresh.
I`ll give switching sticks a shot, not a bad idea for 3 channel birds.
I`ll be back.

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Is this a threat, promise or channeling your inner Schwarzenegger? :) :) :)

"I`ll be back."

Looking forward to it. i want to know how she flies!!


Buzz.