Soft mounting large engines?
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Hello,
I read a reply from Fuji support that hard mounting large engines (ie Fuji 64cc) was not recomended. "Hard-mouning large, single-cylinder gasoline engines is also not recommended.They really should be soft-mounted so that less stress is transmitted to the airframe". Here is the thread: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3181527/tm.htm
Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I always thought the reverse was true.
Dave
I read a reply from Fuji support that hard mounting large engines (ie Fuji 64cc) was not recomended. "Hard-mouning large, single-cylinder gasoline engines is also not recommended.They really should be soft-mounted so that less stress is transmitted to the airframe". Here is the thread: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3181527/tm.htm
Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I always thought the reverse was true.
Dave
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The reverse is true...If your engine vibrates so badly that you need soft mounts, get a different engine...We tried soft mounting Sachs and Quadra 100 cc engines, finally went back to hard mounting...
I would hate to have Bill Baxter's job, trying to placate Fuji owners
I would hate to have Bill Baxter's job, trying to placate Fuji owners
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Hi Ralph,
Thats what I thought. I really hate it when vendors give misinformation. It creates creditability issues.
Thanks, Dave
Thats what I thought. I really hate it when vendors give misinformation. It creates creditability issues.
Thanks, Dave
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If you just gotta have a soft mount, get the one made by Merle Hyde in Las Vegas...[8D]
Getting the carbs right on a twin engine airplane is almost impossible...We tried it on a twin fuselage (Bridi Big Bee) plane with G38s, finally gave up and replaced the soft mounts..End of problems....
Getting the carbs right on a twin engine airplane is almost impossible...We tried it on a twin fuselage (Bridi Big Bee) plane with G38s, finally gave up and replaced the soft mounts..End of problems....
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In general, engine vibration isolation is good thing - if it is done properly. The trick is how to do it properly.
To put simply, the end goal should be to attenuate high-frequency low-amplitude vibration, which is detremental to the on-board electronics and airframe glue joints, and at the same time not allowing lower-frequency high-amplitude vibration to be introduced. Many of the "universal" isolation mounts do little of the former, while introducing a whole lot of the latter. That is worse than not using the soft mounts at all.
Broadly speaking, the best chance of achieving the design goals above is to emply isolation mounts, whose mounting points are spread as far apart as possible. This is not always possible with a pre-canned "universal" mount package, as firewall dimensions vary widely. Your best chance of a good mount is to copy Fuji's isolation mount design, but spread the mounting points as wide apart as your fuselage will accomodate.
Realistically though, the simplest and most effective solution is to hard mount the engine and let the airframe do the vibration attenuation. Fast moving air flowing over the aircraft has a natural tendency to attenuate vibration - but only when the aircraft is flying. So limit the amount of time the engine runs on the aircraft on the ground, and for cristsake, break-in your engine on a stand.
To put simply, the end goal should be to attenuate high-frequency low-amplitude vibration, which is detremental to the on-board electronics and airframe glue joints, and at the same time not allowing lower-frequency high-amplitude vibration to be introduced. Many of the "universal" isolation mounts do little of the former, while introducing a whole lot of the latter. That is worse than not using the soft mounts at all.
Broadly speaking, the best chance of achieving the design goals above is to emply isolation mounts, whose mounting points are spread as far apart as possible. This is not always possible with a pre-canned "universal" mount package, as firewall dimensions vary widely. Your best chance of a good mount is to copy Fuji's isolation mount design, but spread the mounting points as wide apart as your fuselage will accomodate.
Realistically though, the simplest and most effective solution is to hard mount the engine and let the airframe do the vibration attenuation. Fast moving air flowing over the aircraft has a natural tendency to attenuate vibration - but only when the aircraft is flying. So limit the amount of time the engine runs on the aircraft on the ground, and for cristsake, break-in your engine on a stand.



