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Old 06-02-2004 | 05:00 PM
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My TT-Pro .46 dies when I pick it up vertical. It used to die whenever I touched the throttle, then I could slowly advance the throttle to full open slowly and then I could advance it a little quicker. However it didn't sound like it was running at peak. And of course it dies if I try to pick it up.

I took the fuel tank out and ensured that the lines weren't clogged. The air vent is clear and near the top of the fuel tank. Lines aren't kinked. Any ideas?
Old 06-02-2004 | 05:24 PM
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Did the clunk get stuck in the front of the tank?
Old 06-02-2004 | 05:35 PM
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do a search on RCU for tuning two-stroke engines. Sounds like it just needs to be set up properly. Is is broken in yet? What fuel/glow plug are you using? Have you adjusted low end needle yet?
Old 06-02-2004 | 07:11 PM
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No, the clunk isn't stuck and yes the engine is broken in. I use Omega 10% fuel. And I have adjusted the needle and seat settings. But only to try and fix this problem. I have read the TT manual and thought I adjusted them properly but I can't guarantee it.
Old 06-02-2004 | 07:43 PM
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You might try replacing the fuel lines. There could be a pinhole in one of lines that could be allowing air bubbles into the fuel. Its a cheap fix and if it doesn't solve the problem, you at least know that that isn't the problem.

Good luck!
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That's a thought and I may do that. I've been fiddling with it and I can advance the throttle without problem and I was able to lift it vertical without it quitting. So I am making progress, but it just doesn't seem to be peaking. The manual says that a good starting place for the needle valve is 2-1/2 turns out. But it doesn't say how many turns for the idle mixture. I know that they don't want you messing with the factory settings but it's too late for that now. Now I need to know how many turns to put me close to within factory settings.
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Now I need to know how many turns to put me close to within factory settings.
Can't answer that, but if the clunk wasn't stuck forward, and there aren't any holes in the fuel lines, then your high spped needle setting was too lean.

Quickly throttling up and having the engine sputter and/or die generally means the low end is set too rich.
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Old 06-02-2004 | 08:02 PM
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Check out these two threads; they have EVERYTHING you need to know! Good Luck!

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_18...tm.htm#1850473

ALSO see below: (pulled this from http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_16...tm.htm#1659508 )

I use this method when I was learning and it's a good way to start out learning to tune your engine.
Here's a scenario: Pilot takes off, plane's engine sounds great. After several minutes of flying, engine seems to lose power, sounds kinda "thin", pilot keeps flying. Engine continues to sag, now full throttle is very weak, pilot now understands that maybe this isn't gonna clear up. Engine dies (what a shock! ), pilot calls for "deadstick" landing overshoots, tears off landing gear, etc. Never seen this at your field, right?

Here's the way that *I* set mixture on non-airbleed carbed engines (90% of the engines out there fit this category, but the theory is similar for air-bleed carbs). First of all, understand that the high speed needle has its main effect from 3/4 to full throttle, and the low speed needle controls everything from idle up to 3/4 throttle. It thus makes sense to me to spend the biggest majority of my tuning time adjusting the needle that controls the largest portion of engine running, right? Also, remember that there is a proper air to fuel ratio (mixture) that allows the engine to run properly. Too much fuel is rich, and too little fuel is lean. We "richen" the mixture by adding more fuel (turning the needle out, or counter-clockwise), and we "lean the mixture out" by decreasing the fuel (turning the needle valve in, or clockwise).

I start the engine give it full throttle, and lean it to it's highest rpm (peak), then richen it by maybe a quarter turn. Then with the glow plug igniter still attached, I slowly close the throttle to an idle rpm. At the lowest rpm that the engine will still reliably run, I then remove the glow igniter. If the engine dies immediately, I know it's too rich, and I then lean out the LOW SPEED NEEDLE by 1/8th of a turn (don't touch the high speed needle). Start the engine again, (and this is important) give FULL throttle briefly to clear out excess fuel, then slowly close the throttle again. Remove the glow igniter, and this time it may run a little longer before it dies, so lean the low speed another 1/8th turn. Re-fire the engine, give a burst of full throttle to clear it out, and slowly close the throttle again. remove the glow igniter and now notice that the rpm DROPPED a bit when you removed the glow igniter, but the engine kept running. We're getting there. It's still too rich, and you'll prove that by opening up the throttle and hearing the engine "blubber" then die. That's because excess fuel has collected in the crankcase during the rich idle, and when you opened up the throttle, the excess was pulled into the cylinder, making it WAY too rich. Supposed you were on a landing approach, and decided to go around, you throttle up but the engine "blubbers" and then dies (another thing we haven't seen, right?). Yep, the LOW SPEED needle was still too rich, allowing excess fuel to collect in the crankcase, just WAITING on you to try to go around so it could "LOAD UP", blubber, and die!

Keep leaning the low speed needle down until it idles well, but now, when you open up the throttle, it HESITATES instead of BLUBBERS. When this happens, you've lean it down too far, so richen it up 1/16th of a turn and try again. You know you've got the LOW SPEED needle right when you can fire it up, remove the glow igniter, and the rpm doesn't change AT ALL, and you can open the throttle up, and it doesn't blubber or hesitate, it just runs!

The final thing you do is re-adjust the HIGH SPEED NEEDLE, leaning it to it's highest rpm (peak) and then richening it up maybe 1/8th turn to give it a slightly rich mixture. We also know that the fuel mixture will change in flight when you point the nose up (harder for fuel to travel uphill) and also as the fuel level in the tank changes. In both cases, a leaner mixture results, so we actually need to set the mixture a bit further on the rich side to account for this. While the engine is running at full throttle, CAREFULLY pick the model up and raise the nose to at least a 45 degree angle while listening to the engine. If the engine sags a bit, then you'll need to richen up the high speed needle 1/16th turn. Try it again, and when you can point the nose up and the engine doesn't sag, but maybe shows a slight GAIN in rpm, you know you've got it right.

Now the engine will be happy, and chances are will reward you with reliable running. If you've got one of the few engines with an air bleed adjustment for low speed adjustment, the theory is the same, just refer to your manual to see how to richen and lean the low speed mixture.

Hope this helped
Old 06-02-2004 | 09:28 PM
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Yes, thank you it was very informative. In fact I'm printing it out. I haven't check out the links yet but I will. Just a quick question; which is the low-speed needle and the high-speed needle?

Are there two actual needles or just one adjustable “needle” (outside carb) and one adjustable “seat” (inside carb)?
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hi is the one you turn by hand--is "outside" if you will.

low is the one you need a small screwdriver and is inside the carb barrel/sleeve
Old 06-05-2004 | 12:03 PM
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I just need some clarification, doesn't the high speed "needle" screw into the low speed "seat"? If so, should I unscrew the high speed needle while I'm adjusting the low speed settings?

I don't understand, if the low speed controls everything from idle to 3/4 throttle why am I adjusting it at full throttle when this is the range of the high speed needle?

How can I adjust one without it having some kind of effect on the other. Meaning wouldn't the current position of the high speed needle have an affect on my trying to adjust the low speed seat or needle?

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