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Scorpio

PM'd you on the ether proposal - I'm in!

SGC, please PM Scorpio.

Cheers

fiery

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+posted twice [:@] +

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I do not know who OZZIE TRADERS are being I am in the USA, Model distributors?? It would sure solve a lot of hassle if you guys could buy a premix. If they decide to make it must be packaged in metal cans not plastic and not lose ether, that should also make it shippable I am sure they have DOT regs down there also (dept of transportion) here for shipping flammables. In talking to Mr Davis
when I re-ordered fuel the empty gallon tins cost him about $2 but very necessary for safety and fuel life I sure the reason they used plastic cheap maybe less than 50 cents -martin

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Ossie Traders are an Australian model supplies distributor. OH, yes, we down under have our transportation of DANGEROUG GOODS Regs/Act/Codes. My first 2.5 ltr of ether arrived at my front door by road courier. In a "breaksafe" brown glass jar with a good sealable lid. (jar is coated in plastic so if dropped, the contents don't splatter everywhere) And had no problem with ordering from the chemical company. Also, 3 of us Queenslanders (where we put the bend in bananas) have ordered and sharing a 20 ltr drum of ether. Good price too. This way we get to meet peresonally (for the sharing) rather than just on the net. Although the ether is stored in brown glass jars, I still wrap the bottles up in alfoil wrap to extrude light. Regards Glen

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Good show guys, glad you rounded up a supply-Should I dispatch you down a wolf to guard the supply?? I quess the sale of glow plugs
leads and batteries will take a crash down there now too..martin

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Martin, I have 4 sons who bore holes in the sky with hi-powered glo engines. Too fast for my old eyes and reflexes. I'm about 10 ft behind the planes. They give me a queer look when I start playing with my diesels. (Poor Dad, he's lost the plot). But guess who supplies all the glo fuel, plugs, etc. How's that for father/sons involvement. QUESTION. With 40/45/91 diesel engines (new), the use of muffler pressure. Yeah or nay? Exhaust gunk into the tank. Have read a lot of conflicting reports on this subject. Am using 15% Coolpower (synthetic) and 5% Castor. All converted Glo engines, and I have reduced the carby throat sizes. Your thoughts, please. Glen

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Scorpio if the Carb is meant to run under muffler pressure as glow ditto with diesel I get no gunk in the tank, yes the pressure line
and tank get a slight bit of discoloration but no problem. you have a handle on diesel so go for it . stock glow carbs fine you only\
run about 80% open due to the large carb bores YOU DO NOT NEED TO change carbs only exception I know of is MVVS whicj are
a little less touchy with the smaller carb All my irvines STs TTs Irvine 46 and 53 original carb and the irvines have big bores and
a snap to adjust See my post on Davis Site --customer reviews irvine 53 martin
You can assemble a new irvine 40 if you pick up a Q40 glow $110 USD from sheldons in USA in Ca. and pick up a head from Davis for the irvine
40 diesel or check Just engines for a new or used Irvine 40 diesel head (I much prefer the Davis head)

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At last ... a 20 litre (5 US gallon) drum of ether arrived at my doorstep today [8D].

Organised by Scorpio, to be shared between Scorpio, myself and SGC. Scorpio had a friendly contact with a chemical supplies firm, who obtained a good price for us.

Thanks for all the support we have received from the contibutors to this thread.

It will be good to get the deisels going again!


fiery

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Well yesterday we met and divided up our can of gold, there is now 3 happy queenslanders.
Todays Project -- make up a "SEALED" ether tin for prolonged storeage of my stash.
Stewart

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GREAT:::Where is a will there is a way:::: A little humor here looks like a "drug deal going down" All that just to run your engines
Well now you guys can get out the oily rags and twist tommy bars, I was messing around just a bit ago with my Norvel 074 conversion
the Wolves were hanging with me, they seem to like the smell, go figure martin

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"Drug deal going down" - LMAO ... :)

Actually, I was a bit concerned, as we decanted off the ether at the back of my workplace, Scorpio looked like he was getting high ... on the nostagic smell! SGC was also very keen to get the jiggler siphon into the drum as well!

In all seriousness, it was great to solve the problem in a cost effective way, and to link up with a couple of friendly fellow diesel enthusiasts.

SGC has some very nice classic diesel engines, which we all drooled over while having coffee after "the deal" was done!

Cheers

fiery

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Drug deal going down? Not likely with two professions involved! Having now met Fiery and SGC personally, I know them now to be nice people. Good cup of coffee, too. Consider 3 modellers, strangers to each other, trusting in each other. Fiery and SGC trusted in me by forwarding cheques for their shares. Modellers are nice people, including those on this thread. All of you, keep up the good work. Scorpio

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Scorpio. the drug deal comment of course was a joke. considering you guys having been doing diesel for 50+ years it is indeed a sad situtation you had to jump thru the hoops to enjoy your hobby, We are indeed very lucky in the USA for commerical model diesel fuel.
We now have a new problem since these guys are now cooking up cold tablets so we must take them off the shelf and keep them behind the counter in the pharmacies and chemists shops to be sold only by the phamacists and staff, what a pain in the a--s. On an up
note my 074 norvel diesel conversion is a real winner. it is the updated power plant for the 061 norvel in the little decathalon coversion
the static pull just holding the plane is awsome. Best to the 3 of you down there and happy flying martin

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Martin ,
We too have new regs re cold medication. Dam druggies.
Glad to hear the 074 is a goer, what prop are you useing ? and what prop on the dieselised 061?
I have just fitted an RJL head to my 061, but as yet not run it.
And as Scorpio said , it was nice to meet some fellow diesel enthusiests for a chat n coffee.
I enjoyed the chat with a couple really nice guys.
Stewart

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Scorpio has a black MAS 8x3 in the 061 RJL head but only turned about 9500 enough to fly not enough for an ROG I wou;d try a 7x4
and 7x3 should punch at least 11K. The black MAS is not really that hot a prop
I guess just mess around with 7 or 8 inch props till to get between 11-12K The tornado 7x6 was a disaster you coulld see the blades
flexing back and forth not very stiff. As stated my blue MAS 8x3 is the one on the 074 12K martin

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Andy Woitowicz, the 1/2A Guru in Ontario Canada, probably has more experience running both the .061 & .074 as diesels than anyone else. You can run a search on this board for his posts or he is very quick to answer direct questions. Andy is a font of information on small engines with particular expertise in carburetion and one of 'the good guys' also. He has been using a dieselized .074 almost since the engine was released. He has definite opinions on what prop the .074 prefers.
I've corresponded with Andy for years and he's been so nice as to do some work for me that was outside my own area of competence at the time, but last Winter I pulled up ALL of his past posts and read them. (no small task!) Even after having read his posts, magazine articles and a lengthy correspondence for ages I STILL learned new stuff or got my memory refreshed on things I had let slip from my conciousness. I recommend it. . HTH, Tom

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Tom,

Thanks for the kind words. But you know, it was you and also Raj from Singapore that dragged me kicking and screaming into the fragrant world of diesel combustion. All those throttles I installed on them infernal, glowless things you two kept sending me always had me wondering. What DO these guys see in these strange and scary lumps of metal? Well, now I know and for the most part, my flying has been exclusively diesel and most of these have been Norvel conversions.

The best prop ever made, I think, is the Cox series in grey plastic. I forget the details but a direct, same day comparison on my dieselized Norvel .074 showed the 8 X 4 Cox prop to perform best on the tach and best in the air. Second best was a black Tornado and the worst was an APC in the same size.

The .061 does real well on a 7 X 4 black Tornado (by Grish). But it really shines with a Cox 7 X 3.5. And, wouldn't you know it, on glow, the Cox 6 X 3 is superior to all the others. Even a black, rubber ducky 6 X 3 was as good as the stiffer grey. Crazy, them black props. They shouldn't work as well as they do but they do.

I've run my modified .061 on an 8 X 4 Cox grey and it slugged along, strongly and smoothly at 10K and throttled down to 3K. Oh man, what a sound. We need an icon for goose bumps. With LOTS of low speed thrust, it's slated for a Texaco Moth I hope to build this winter. I have a video of it for anyone interested.

Also, I've run my new .074 on a 10 X 4 Tornado and it did 7K very smoothly and with excellent throttling.