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Old 01-26-2007 | 09:29 PM
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ORIGINAL: k_ogre

this might not be the place for this but ...... anyone know if theres a good FMS falcon3d out there (mines in the mail and I want to bone up) thanks
p.s. really need to make a falcon forum 127 pages way to long

did you order from hobby-lobby? if so it comes with a falcon model on the fms simulator disk.... their is an online download to but i can't find it.

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Old 01-26-2007 | 09:32 PM
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Nope got it used and I want to try it BEFORE it get here
Old 01-26-2007 | 09:36 PM
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well, then just use the other heli model that's on fms (can't remember the name)
it flys the same as the falcon model almost...
and fms is only good for learning the controls anyways... it is WAY off from real life.

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Old 01-26-2007 | 09:51 PM
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Once and for all, please.

Spindle shaft
Feathering shaft...

Is this the bar that connects one main rotor blade grip to the other?
Old 01-26-2007 | 10:08 PM
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yes , thats it .runs thru the rotor head , has the o-rings and bearings on each side and the main blade grips afix around the bearings ...

same shaft ,different names by different makers
Old 01-27-2007 | 10:15 AM
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There is another forum on the Falcon, we keep this one active so new folks can find it easier and there is much more participation here than the other forum. I don't have the link handy but do a search on google, I believe the forum is located in New Zealand.

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Old 01-27-2007 | 10:20 AM
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http://falcon.np.co.nz/index.php?q=node/1

If it works above is the link to the other falcon pages....
there is some good info there as well , I know it has answered a few questions for me.

Also at the bottom of this forums page is a "search this thread" feature that in an immense help to find things quickly.

Old 01-27-2007 | 10:20 AM
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I still have that glitchy up down thing going on,,,,Question, if you where going to replace your ESC, would you order the stock ESC?, or a diferent one, that you could just connect to the falcon WITHOUT any modifications to any thing else?
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Old 01-27-2007 | 10:47 AM
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Default RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!!

I have just put up a new thread "Falcon 3D - Glitches Help Thread" in the hopes we can get experienced and knowledgeable input in one spot dealing with probably the most expensive problem we have faced with the Falcon. Here's the thread:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_53...tm.htm#5330388

I am going to email HL for their suggestions, as well.

I would encourage everyone to read the new posting and to responsibly contribute to this effort.

Thanks to all of you.

Steve
Old 01-27-2007 | 11:07 AM
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ORIGINAL: sgomes

I have just put up a new thread "Falcon 3D - Glitches Help Thread" in the hopes we can get experienced and knowledgeable input in one spot dealing with probably the most expensive problem we have faced with the Falcon.

I am going to email HL for their suggestions, as well.

I would encourage everyone to read the new posting and to responsibly contribute to this effort.

Thanks to all of you.

Steve


How do I get to that Thread?

Old 01-27-2007 | 11:11 AM
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First thing I noticed with mine glitching was the antenna wire was actually tied in a loose knot around the landing gear beside the body of the heli... this knot to me basically shortened the antenna wire from its original length to a lenght of about 1 inch.

I untied the knot, ran the wire so it was not wrapped around the skids etc... and haven't had a glitch in the reciever since....pictured below is what I did to mine.

hope it helps ....
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ORIGINAL: bjett80

WARNING - NEW FALCON OWNERS

I was very surprised when my replacement Falcon was delivered today ! My first one was returned when the ESC failed and I've been waiting like the rest of you for 3 weeks.

So I take everything out of the box, first thing I do is plug in the charger and start charging the battery. Nope ... no LED here either. Maybe you charge it until the battery explodes ... I guess that would indicate a full charge, huh ? I did notice the second time I charged it today went I went to retrieve it (I charge outside now ... too many scary stories) the charger was cold. Could be there is an internal cut-off ?

Anyway, I remember Gary's advice and with screwdriver and allen wrench I go over the Falcon from stem to stern physically tightening everything. I did notice all the servo screws seemed a little loose to me.

A few hours later, with the blades balanced and every nut and bolt checked, I hit the garage for the first hover. Ease up the power, the Falcon spools up nice and steady, then pops up about a foot in the sweetest hover I've ever seen. Nice and stable and sounding like it's got power out the wazoo !

I sit her down and catch my breath, ease up the power and she pops right back up about a foot. Nice hover ... very little drift, I let her fly for 15-20 seconds and slowly bring her back down. Just before she touches dirt something breaks off the tail, wiz's over my left shoulder and hits the wall like a bullet !

I kill the throttle, shut everything down and give it a look-see. One of the rear blade grips is missing, the tail rotor assembly has rotated about 30 degress and the rear guard looks like something nibbled about 1/8 inch off the edge.

So I spend an hour looking for the tail blade amongs all the crap on the wall of my garage. I find it intact and showing no damage.

Long story short ... looks like the Art-Tech people didn't tighten up the tail blade grip screw. You have to remove the tail blades to get to this screw, so I missed it during the pre-flight check. Remove the tail blades and you have a hex-headed screw holding the tail blade grip to the gizmo that rides on the tail rotor shaft. I checked the other one and it was loose as well.

You might want to check those screws ... if that tail rotor blade had hit me it would have penetrated skin !

Everything's put back together, and except for the minor damage to that rear rotor guard I think I'm ready to try again. Course, I'm looking at another hour moving all that crap off the garage floor and back against the wall so I can fly again. Looks like flying will have to wait till tomorrow !

Good luck everyone ... let us know how your first flights went.

Barry
Holy Moly, I started going over my Falcon to get it ready to fly, and found exactly the same thing wrong. One of the tail blade grips is loose, and not just a little loose either. I can move the blade grip in and out about half an inch along the shaft it's mounted on! So it can't just have moved a little in transit, it was just never tightened. The other blade grip is tight. I guess we really need to the think of the Falcon as an ARF or kit, rather than an RTF, given the slipshod assembly. Anyway thanks a lot bjett for posting this. You surely saved me from having a similar incident.

Adam
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ORIGINAL: xplorur





ORIGINAL: sgomes

I have just put up a new thread "Falcon 3D - Glitches Help Thread" in the hopes we can get experienced and knowledgeable input in one spot dealing with probably the most expensive problem we have faced with the Falcon.

I am going to email HL for their suggestions, as well.

I would encourage everyone to read the new posting and to responsibly contribute to this effort.

Thanks to all of you.

Steve


How do I get to that Thread?


It's here: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_53...tm.htm#5330388
Old 01-27-2007 | 01:08 PM
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Default RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!!

It seems like a number of people have now reported the 'glitching' problem. Mine has never ever gliteched at all. I wonder if one of the newer batches of Falcons has a problem or something???


Here's another video I made this morning out in the front yard. Still a little breezy, but MUCH better than yesterday afternoon

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...35843844&hl=en
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ORIGINAL: Es-R-Gr8

First thing I noticed with mine glitching was the antenna wire was actually tied in a loose knot around the landing gear beside the body of the heli... this knot to me basically shortened the antenna wire from its original length to a lenght of about 1 inch.

I untied the knot, ran the wire so it was not wrapped around the skids etc... and haven't had a glitch in the reciever since....pictured below is what I did to mine.

hope it helps ....
After reading this post I checked my antenna wire, guess what I found!
when I had moved the rx back a little, about 2 weeks ago, I had ripped the antenna right out of the RX, so after soldering the antenna wire back on the circuit board, NO More glitches
I did have to retrim every thing back to 0, other then that all is well for the moment. I would like to thank, es-r-gr8 for posting the above info and sgomes for keeping on top of it.
Thanks guys
Peace
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Old 01-27-2007 | 06:40 PM
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Default RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!!

Holy Moly, I started going over my Falcon to get it ready to fly, and found exactly the same thing wrong. One of the tail blade grips is loose, and not just a little loose either. I can move the blade grip in and out about half an inch along the shaft it's mounted on! So it can't just have moved a little in transit, it was just never tightened. The other blade grip is tight. I guess we really need to the think of the Falcon as an ARF or kit, rather than an RTF, given the slipshod assembly. Anyway thanks a lot bjett for posting this. You surely saved me from having a similar incident.

Adam

I had the same problem after about 10 flights it looked as if the tail was ready to break, turned out it was the same screws as above had backed out....

"it's all fun and games till someone loses an eye"

Preflight people...



ct420
nice flying, looking good. how long have you had your heli and is this your first heli?


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ORIGINAL: xplorur

I still have that glitchy up down thing going on,,,,Question, if you where going to replace your ESC, would you order the stock ESC?, or a diferent one, that you could just connect to the falcon WITHOUT any modifications to any thing else?
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No, don't order the stock ESC. You will have to solder anyways, so why not get a better one and put some bullet connectors on it.

Here's the one I got: [link=https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=2132]UnitedHobbies ESC[/link]

And then get this USB interface so that you can program it easily: [link=https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=2119]USB Key[/link]

Since this ESC has a soft start, I no longer have any rotation of the falcon when spooling up, and at the price it's a steel.

-tychoc
Old 01-27-2007 | 10:18 PM
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A question for the experts:

How much positive pitch should I be getting at full stick in normal mode?
And how much negitive pitch at low stick?
Old 01-27-2007 | 10:21 PM
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Well, I made my first mod for my falcon... I really wasn't happy with the head and read about how a closed flybar was much better so I added one to mine. There are more Trex parts that fit the falcon without any real mods. I picked up part # AGNH1116 (flybar control set) and #AGNH1117 (flybar seesaw holder and mixing lever) I used the original control rods and turned the blade grips upside down so that everything would line up. So far everything is much tighter and seems more stable. Here are some pictures. it only cost me about $26.00. Oh and now my flybar paddles and blades come no where near my tailboom
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Old 01-27-2007 | 10:37 PM
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That's cool, I'll be doing that. Nice work.




ORIGINAL: Taz_man

Well, I made my first mod for my falcon... I really wasn't happy with the head and read about how a closed flybar was much better so I added one to mine. There are more Trex parts that fit the falcon without any real mods. I picked up part # AGNH1116 (flybar control set) and #AGNH1117 (flybar seesaw holder and mixing lever) I used the original control rods and turned the blade grips upside down so that everything would line up. So far everything is much tighter and seems more stable. Here are some pictures. it only cost me about $26.00. Oh and now my flybar paddles and blades come no where near my tailboom
Old 01-27-2007 | 10:42 PM
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Received all my parts today. Got metal tail gearbox and grips. Looks nice but there was no hardware with it. Suprised at that price, now I have to figure out what screws, washers and ball link I need.
Old 01-27-2007 | 11:22 PM
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My wife thinks i'm a nut for doing mods when i haven't had it a month. But she's dealing
Old 01-27-2007 | 11:40 PM
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ORIGINAL: Taz_man

My wife thinks i'm a nut for doing mods when i haven't had it a month. But she's dealing

if only she knew the addiction..........................lol...

,Tyler
Old 01-28-2007 | 12:12 AM
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I'd like to see some pics of your mod :->


ORIGINAL: devmode

Speaking of canopies ... I modified mine so I don't need to take it off to put in the battery. I found that pretty annoying, so I cut a piece out of the bottom so I can easily slide in the battery without having to take off the canopy every time. Anyone else find that to be an issue? I reinforced it after I cut it with some packing tape - mine was already cracked anyway when it arrived so I figured that area was a bit fragile ... just cut out a notch and then reinforced the edges with some clear packing tape. Battery slides in pretty easily once you cut it back far enough.
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Otto :

check out page 60 of this thread... some info there on pitch settings .
also on the bottom of the page in the "search this thread" ..type pitch settings and some very good pages come up.


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