X9303 Crow for Turbines - Solved!
10-26-2007 | 11:40 PM
#1
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,778
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: Henderson, NV
X9303 Crow for Turbines - Solved!
I have searched high and low on RCU to find out how to do a crow set-up with an X9303. I have been unable to find one that takes in tot account a turbine that is using all nine out of nine channels (2 for ailerons, 1 for flaps, 1 for brakes, 1 for smoke, 1 for rudder, 1 for elev, 1 for throttle, and one for retracts).
If anyone has the secret recipe, it would be greatly appreciated.
If anyone has the secret recipe, it would be greatly appreciated.
10-27-2007 | 12:54 AM
#2
My Feedback: (47)
RE: X9303 Crow for Turbines
I've not done this on a 9303, but on a 10X I use one free mixer with a flap-aileron mix and a second mixer with flap-aux'X' (second aileron channel) mix and it works fine. Use the same offsets (I have the offset kick in at flap settings above 30 degrees) and mix % on both sides, if your aileron linkages and mechanical setup are identical this should get you very even deployment side to side (but measure and adjust both sides to be safe).
As long as you have two independent channels for ailerons this should work fine on a 9303 as well.
Barry
As long as you have two independent channels for ailerons this should work fine on a 9303 as well.
Barry
10-27-2007 | 07:39 AM
#3
My Feedback: (14)
RE: X9303 Crow for Turbines
My fiend Edgar dit it in my sold boomerang XL but really, I don't have a clue how he did it. By that time I wasn't using the smoke. When I decide to go for smoke I lost my crow settings. May be you got two choice here, sacrify the smoke sys. or try with those channel expanders from JR.
Regards
Alex
Regards
Alex
10-27-2007 | 08:36 AM
#4
My Feedback: (2)
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 793
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: Canyon Lake, TX
RE: X9303 Crow for Turbines
I asked Danny on the JR forum for some assistance a year or two ago and ultimately did the following:
In the wing type screen, select normal. In the same screen, mate a second channel to aileron. I used AUX2. AUX1 controls flaps through the 3 position flap switch, and you can use the flap system screen to control flaps and elevator settings. Mixing for crow is done by mixing flaps to flaperon (FLPRN) in one of the multipoint mixes. (Even though your wing type is not flaperon, you still have the option of mixing to flaperons in the mixing screen.) I'm using a matchbox on the output of AUX1 for the flaps, and I still have free channels for gear, brakes, and steering. There may be other ways to get crow, but this seems to work well.
In the wing type screen, select normal. In the same screen, mate a second channel to aileron. I used AUX2. AUX1 controls flaps through the 3 position flap switch, and you can use the flap system screen to control flaps and elevator settings. Mixing for crow is done by mixing flaps to flaperon (FLPRN) in one of the multipoint mixes. (Even though your wing type is not flaperon, you still have the option of mixing to flaperons in the mixing screen.) I'm using a matchbox on the output of AUX1 for the flaps, and I still have free channels for gear, brakes, and steering. There may be other ways to get crow, but this seems to work well.
10-27-2007 | 12:13 PM
#5
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,778
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: Henderson, NV
RE: X9303 Crow for Turbines
Bob,
I read that post, but it seemed to only give me two possible settings for the crow. 0 and 1, but the flaps have three setting, usually with crow activating on position 2 of the flaps setting. I could not figure it out.
Barry,
I currently use the 10X with no problem, but this "better programming" 9303 is a pain in the buttocks.
I read that post, but it seemed to only give me two possible settings for the crow. 0 and 1, but the flaps have three setting, usually with crow activating on position 2 of the flaps setting. I could not figure it out.
Barry,
I currently use the 10X with no problem, but this "better programming" 9303 is a pain in the buttocks.
10-27-2007 | 01:13 PM
#6
My Feedback: (2)
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 793
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: Canyon Lake, TX
RE: X9303 Crow for Turbines
Sin City, the flaperons (i.e. ailerons) follow the flaps through a multipoint mix (FLAPS to FLPRN). You can mix in any flaperon position you want for any given flap position, so it is possible to get three crow settings using the flap switch. At least I think that is what my 9303 is doing!
Seems to work on a BobCat and a recent scratch build.
Seems to work on a BobCat and a recent scratch build.
10-27-2007 | 01:58 PM
#7
RE: X9303 Crow for Turbines
ON my savex L39 i have as follows
wing type:flaperon.-uses ch3 and ch6 (aux1)
Channel 7 (aux 2) is connected to my flaps via a Y lead.
Ch7 (aux 2) is activated by my 3 posn flap switch, which also controls my flap system.
So the 3 posn flap is doing 2 jobs, dealing with the flap movement and also moving the flaperons (ch2 and ch6) up when i want crow.
If you wanted to seperate crow then you could use the 3 posn aux 3 switch to control eithe flaperons or the flaps or indeed both.
wing type:flaperon.-uses ch3 and ch6 (aux1)
Channel 7 (aux 2) is connected to my flaps via a Y lead.
Ch7 (aux 2) is activated by my 3 posn flap switch, which also controls my flap system.
So the 3 posn flap is doing 2 jobs, dealing with the flap movement and also moving the flaperons (ch2 and ch6) up when i want crow.
If you wanted to seperate crow then you could use the 3 posn aux 3 switch to control eithe flaperons or the flaps or indeed both.
10-27-2007 | 02:49 PM
#8
My Feedback: (1)
RE: X9303 Crow for Turbines
If you comprehend that the 9303 allows you to use wing type as normal with dual aileron servos, AND it still allows a flaperon selection as a slave when using free mixes. This is the key to how the 9303 differs from every other JR radio programming to date. It does not compromise the flaps mode and flap settings.
Ive been flying and programming JR computer radios since 1985. the 9303 was TOTALLY differant and only after 2 years am I reallly getting use to it and this key of normal wing, dual aileron servos, (WHICH BTW allows you to choose the input channel for the extra aileron servo) Flaperon available as a slave free mix option without a flaperon wing, REALLY simplifies channels and reduces programming.
Ive been flying and programming JR computer radios since 1985. the 9303 was TOTALLY differant and only after 2 years am I reallly getting use to it and this key of normal wing, dual aileron servos, (WHICH BTW allows you to choose the input channel for the extra aileron servo) Flaperon available as a slave free mix option without a flaperon wing, REALLY simplifies channels and reduces programming.
10-27-2007 | 06:20 PM
#10
RE: X9303 Crow for Turbines
c/f
Are you saying you can use the dual aileron function, and still have flaperons?
Im using an european 9x2. (The same as a 9303, just as youre 8303 was called the 3810 over here)
Are you saying you can use the dual aileron function, and still have flaperons?
Im using an european 9x2. (The same as a 9303, just as youre 8303 was called the 3810 over here)
10-28-2007 | 12:20 AM
#11
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,778
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: Henderson, NV
RE: X9303 Crow for Turbines
OK, mission complete. I am going to write down how I did, what I did to activate the crow. First a BIG "THANK YOU" to Bob for taking the time to call me and walk me through it. He gave me the one piece of information I was missing.
Ok, here we go. I am going to start with setting up a brand new model.
1) Enter System Menu (hold "ENT" and turn readio on). You should know how to set up the Model Name and Type Select.
2) Under "DeviceSel", select "Flight Mode" and then selct "Flap SW".
3) I have the following switches activated: Gear - Act, Flap - Sys., Aux2 - Inh, Aux3 - Act (brakes), Aux4 - Act (smoke and I have it using the "BUTN" switch.
4) Hit "List"
4) Now go to "Wing Type"
5) Wing type is set to "Normal"
6) Go to Dual - Aile and select "AUX2". This automaticall sets up Aux2 as your opposite aileron.
7) Now, hit "ENT"
8) Set up your "Flap Sys" to your desired settings. Adjust both your flaps and elevators to the desired throws.
9) Now, the only mix you have to do: Go to mix 1 or 2 (multi-point mixes), and set up a "Flap to FPRN" mix. The diagram on the right will show your flap and aileron (or flaperon) settings. The horizontal line is ailerons and the vertical line is flap position. As you adjust your flap switch, you will see the vertical line move across the diagram. Here are my settings for this mix:
Point 0 -60
Point 1 INH
Point 2 INH
Point 3 0
Point 4 0
Point 5 0
Point 6 0
The -60 above shows how much aileron I have for my crow.
I hope this helps a little for those trying to do this. It is hard to try and piece together pieces of information to do what you want.
Ok, here we go. I am going to start with setting up a brand new model.
1) Enter System Menu (hold "ENT" and turn readio on). You should know how to set up the Model Name and Type Select.
2) Under "DeviceSel", select "Flight Mode" and then selct "Flap SW".
3) I have the following switches activated: Gear - Act, Flap - Sys., Aux2 - Inh, Aux3 - Act (brakes), Aux4 - Act (smoke and I have it using the "BUTN" switch.
4) Hit "List"
4) Now go to "Wing Type"
5) Wing type is set to "Normal"
6) Go to Dual - Aile and select "AUX2". This automaticall sets up Aux2 as your opposite aileron.
7) Now, hit "ENT"
8) Set up your "Flap Sys" to your desired settings. Adjust both your flaps and elevators to the desired throws.
9) Now, the only mix you have to do: Go to mix 1 or 2 (multi-point mixes), and set up a "Flap to FPRN" mix. The diagram on the right will show your flap and aileron (or flaperon) settings. The horizontal line is ailerons and the vertical line is flap position. As you adjust your flap switch, you will see the vertical line move across the diagram. Here are my settings for this mix:
Point 0 -60
Point 1 INH
Point 2 INH
Point 3 0
Point 4 0
Point 5 0
Point 6 0
The -60 above shows how much aileron I have for my crow.
I hope this helps a little for those trying to do this. It is hard to try and piece together pieces of information to do what you want.
10-28-2007 | 06:48 PM
#13
My Feedback: (1)
RE: X9303 Crow for Turbines
Good, job, you probably should document the FM in which your free mix is active, ie ON, FM1, FM2 ect.
Now heres how I differ than most, I like to use the crow as a Thrtl to Flaperon mix using the multipoint free mix. This way I activate the flaps Flight mode for landing but the crow only activate at a preset throttle position any where along its range. Thus if I decide to add a bit of power on final I get two for one, ie thrtl increase and crow reduction. In a multi point free mix you can actually remove the proportional part of the slave by having the desired output a straight line after activation point.
Birdseed,
Thats a big yes sir. Because flaperon is a free mix slave option even as a normal wing with dual aileron selection. This really cuts down on creative mixing for complex flight modes. It wasnt until I happened across this that I was dogging the 9303 as worse than a 783, but now its a whole lot simpler to get creative.
Now heres how I differ than most, I like to use the crow as a Thrtl to Flaperon mix using the multipoint free mix. This way I activate the flaps Flight mode for landing but the crow only activate at a preset throttle position any where along its range. Thus if I decide to add a bit of power on final I get two for one, ie thrtl increase and crow reduction. In a multi point free mix you can actually remove the proportional part of the slave by having the desired output a straight line after activation point.
Birdseed,
Thats a big yes sir. Because flaperon is a free mix slave option even as a normal wing with dual aileron selection. This really cuts down on creative mixing for complex flight modes. It wasnt until I happened across this that I was dogging the 9303 as worse than a 783, but now its a whole lot simpler to get creative.
05-12-2008 | 04:16 PM
#14
RE: X9303 Crow for Turbines - Solved!
I'd like to thank you guys for your input. i was trying to setup crow on my boomer , i couldn't figure it out so i called horizon. i got the usual deer in the headlights response. i hate to knock anyone but you would think if you spend 600-700 bucks on a radio , someone would be able to help you. in all fairness i was put on hold for about 20 min. before i hung up and cane to RCU.
06-28-2009 | 09:20 PM
#18
My Feedback: (2)
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 140
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: North Augusta,
SC
RE: X9303 Crow for Turbines - Solved!
Following the info on this post, I attempted to add a crow feature with my 9303. Thought it would be easy based on what was written.......................wrong! My ailerons would go up and down together. It took me about 30 minutes, but finaly figured out that with this programming you now have servo reversing for each aileron. They are identified as left and right aileron in the servo reverse program.
Now to gather all that hair I pulled out performing this upgrade : )
Now to gather all that hair I pulled out performing this upgrade : )
01-09-2010 | 05:20 AM
#19
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 619
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From: christchurch, NEW ZEALAND
RE: X9303 Crow for Turbines
ORIGINAL: SinCityJets
OK, mission complete. I am going to write down how I did, what I did to activate the crow. First a BIG ''THANK YOU'' to Bob for taking the time to call me and walk me through it. He gave me the one piece of information I was missing.
Ok, here we go. I am going to start with setting up a brand new model.
1) Enter System Menu (hold ''ENT'' and turn readio on). You should know how to set up the Model Name and Type Select.
2) Under ''DeviceSel'', select ''Flight Mode'' and then selct ''Flap SW''.
3) I have the following switches activated: Gear - Act, Flap - Sys., Aux2 - Inh, Aux3 - Act (brakes), Aux4 - Act (smoke and I have it using the ''BUTN'' switch.
4) Hit ''List''
4) Now go to ''Wing Type''
5) Wing type is set to ''Normal''
6) Go to Dual - Aile and select ''AUX2''. This automaticall sets up Aux2 as your opposite aileron.
7) Now, hit ''ENT''
8) Set up your ''Flap Sys'' to your desired settings. Adjust both your flaps and elevators to the desired throws.
9) Now, the only mix you have to do: Go to mix 1 or 2 (multi-point mixes), and set up a ''Flap to FPRN'' mix. The diagram on the right will show your flap and aileron (or flaperon) settings. The horizontal line is ailerons and the vertical line is flap position. As you adjust your flap switch, you will see the vertical line move across the diagram. Here are my settings for this mix:
I can see that this is an old post, but, WHAT A POST, thank you very much, I have been scratching my head for three evenings trying to work this out, and was lucky enough to stumble onto this thread, You are THE MAN Baz!!!
Point 0 -60
Point 1 INH
Point 2 INH
Point 3 0
Point 4 0
Point 5 0
Point 6 0
The -60 above shows how much aileron I have for my crow.
I hope this helps a little for those trying to do this. It is hard to try and piece together pieces of information to do what you want.
OK, mission complete. I am going to write down how I did, what I did to activate the crow. First a BIG ''THANK YOU'' to Bob for taking the time to call me and walk me through it. He gave me the one piece of information I was missing.
Ok, here we go. I am going to start with setting up a brand new model.
1) Enter System Menu (hold ''ENT'' and turn readio on). You should know how to set up the Model Name and Type Select.
2) Under ''DeviceSel'', select ''Flight Mode'' and then selct ''Flap SW''.
3) I have the following switches activated: Gear - Act, Flap - Sys., Aux2 - Inh, Aux3 - Act (brakes), Aux4 - Act (smoke and I have it using the ''BUTN'' switch.
4) Hit ''List''
4) Now go to ''Wing Type''
5) Wing type is set to ''Normal''
6) Go to Dual - Aile and select ''AUX2''. This automaticall sets up Aux2 as your opposite aileron.
7) Now, hit ''ENT''
8) Set up your ''Flap Sys'' to your desired settings. Adjust both your flaps and elevators to the desired throws.
9) Now, the only mix you have to do: Go to mix 1 or 2 (multi-point mixes), and set up a ''Flap to FPRN'' mix. The diagram on the right will show your flap and aileron (or flaperon) settings. The horizontal line is ailerons and the vertical line is flap position. As you adjust your flap switch, you will see the vertical line move across the diagram. Here are my settings for this mix:
I can see that this is an old post, but, WHAT A POST, thank you very much, I have been scratching my head for three evenings trying to work this out, and was lucky enough to stumble onto this thread, You are THE MAN Baz!!!
Point 0 -60
Point 1 INH
Point 2 INH
Point 3 0
Point 4 0
Point 5 0
Point 6 0
The -60 above shows how much aileron I have for my crow.
I hope this helps a little for those trying to do this. It is hard to try and piece together pieces of information to do what you want.
01-09-2010 | 10:40 AM
#20
My Feedback: (28)
RE: X9303 Crow for Turbines
I'm trying to figure out how to make Speed brakes for my F-22, on the real one the flaps expend (will be one channel on matchbox), ailerons crow and the rudders both go outboard. This may exceed my brain cell capacity. To go along with this it will have vectored thrust which should not be too much of a problem to set up. Speak to me old wise ones!
01-09-2010 | 01:43 PM
#21
RE: X9303 Crow for Turbines - Solved!
on the F-22, that setup is also more effective than standard speed brakes. You may find that just splitting the rudders is plenty. that will take two mixes. One slaved to the slider, one to the other with reversal. Its easy to run out of mixes. You may need to set it to go away at full throttle. Guys that split the rudders on Rookies have a similar setup, so someone can help there. If you want the crow/rud mix for sure. set up the crow first and then use a combo of switches to get what you want..
I had put some thought into it awhile back and figured it out on the 12x...
I had put some thought into it awhile back and figured it out on the 12x...
