NITRO VS ELECTRIC
03-01-2008 | 05:37 PM
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Wipe out: What do you mean when you say electric is beating nitro? We all know that electric can be faster and is supposedly less maintaince, but companies are still selling nitros and as long as that keeps up electric is not beating nitro. I not trying to be mean dude I'm actually trying to help you before people with a small fuse bash the crap out of you.
I think the mods need to lock this thread.
Wipe out: What do you mean when you say electric is beating nitro? We all know that electric can be faster and is supposedly less maintaince, but companies are still selling nitros and as long as that keeps up electric is not beating nitro. I not trying to be mean dude I'm actually trying to help you before people with a small fuse bash the crap out of you.
like i said, i have no problem with nitro...
03-01-2008 | 05:52 PM
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i mean that at the current time, i think that electric has more advantages over nitro. they are still being made and used, but i think that electric has passed up nitro as far as advatages/disadvantages. nitro was ahead for a long time but now that electric has brushless and lipo for so cheap in a rtr version, they are winning. winning not in popularity, but i think they are better. not funner, but better.
like i said, i have no problem with nitro...
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I think the mods need to lock this thread.
Wipe out: What do you mean when you say electric is beating nitro? We all know that electric can be faster and is supposedly less maintaince, but companies are still selling nitros and as long as that keeps up electric is not beating nitro. I not trying to be mean dude I'm actually trying to help you before people with a small fuse bash the crap out of you.
I think the mods need to lock this thread.
Wipe out: What do you mean when you say electric is beating nitro? We all know that electric can be faster and is supposedly less maintaince, but companies are still selling nitros and as long as that keeps up electric is not beating nitro. I not trying to be mean dude I'm actually trying to help you before people with a small fuse bash the crap out of you.
like i said, i have no problem with nitro...
We really need to do that race we were talking about when you come down to havasu and I'll take your vxl on in my GT2 rtr with a 90 dollar engine in it, and when I lap you you may rethink that post.
no jk.And electric is only "better" to people who like it. And nitro is only "better" to people who like it. I'll leave it at that.
03-01-2008 | 05:55 PM
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i think that would mostly be driver error. you also have a race truck while i have basicly, a TANK. i will try to get a xxx-cr and then we will race. or i will get my t4 race ready. something other then my basher, please.
to me, electric is better. to you nitro is better.
doesn't matter, just run what you think is funner....
to me, electric is better. to you nitro is better.
doesn't matter, just run what you think is funner....
03-01-2008 | 05:58 PM
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i think that would mostly be driver error. you also have a race truck while i have basicly, a TANK. i will try to get a xxx-cr and then we will race. or i will get my t4 race ready. something other then my basher, please.
to me, electric is better. to you nitro is better.
doesn't matter, just run what you think is funner....
i think that would mostly be driver error. you also have a race truck while i have basicly, a TANK. i will try to get a xxx-cr and then we will race. or i will get my t4 race ready. something other then my basher, please.
to me, electric is better. to you nitro is better.
doesn't matter, just run what you think is funner....
Well you better get it soon, I'm going back to MN in a month.[:@]
03-01-2008 | 06:00 PM
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im trying, but we like the weather out there when it's hot. we are wating for that time of the year. we are trying to get out soon, though. [&:]
i still need my esc from traxxas, then i could get some good tires and race you with the t4... no, no, no, i will race you with the Rustler. i am determined to race that basher. [>:]
sent you a pm....
i still need my esc from traxxas, then i could get some good tires and race you with the t4... no, no, no, i will race you with the Rustler. i am determined to race that basher. [>:]
sent you a pm....
03-01-2008 | 06:09 PM
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im trying, but we like the weather out there when it's hot. we are wating for that time of the year. we are trying to get out soon, though. [&:]
i still need my esc from traxxas, then i could get some good tires and race you with the t4... no, no, no, i will race you with the Rustler. i am determined to race that basher. [>:]
sent you a pm....
im trying, but we like the weather out there when it's hot. we are wating for that time of the year. we are trying to get out soon, though. [&:]
i still need my esc from traxxas, then i could get some good tires and race you with the t4... no, no, no, i will race you with the Rustler. i am determined to race that basher. [>:]
sent you a pm....
Pride comes before a fall.
Maybe I shouldn't be talking though.[&:]
03-01-2008 | 06:14 PM
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no you should.
i have only done one race in my life, i will be racing you with a basher, tank, you probbibly have me beat in speed, handling, DRIVING, you drive on that track a lot, right?
i hate to have excuses but i really don't expect much from my rustler when we race.
i have only done one race in my life, i will be racing you with a basher, tank, you probbibly have me beat in speed, handling, DRIVING, you drive on that track a lot, right?
i hate to have excuses but i really don't expect much from my rustler when we race.
03-01-2008 | 06:25 PM
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RE: NITRO VS ELECTRIC
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no you should.
i have only done one race in my life, i will be racing you with a basher, tank, you probbibly have me beat in speed, handling, DRIVING, you drive on that track a lot, right?
i hate to have excuses but i really don't expect much from my rustler when we race.
no you should.
i have only done one race in my life, i will be racing you with a basher, tank, you probbibly have me beat in speed, handling, DRIVING, you drive on that track a lot, right?
i hate to have excuses but i really don't expect much from my rustler when we race.
I'll give you as much pratice time as you want. I could make sure my GT2 won't overheat in that time.
03-01-2008 | 11:01 PM
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I think the mods need to lock this thread.
I think the mods need to lock this thread.
03-02-2008 | 11:12 AM
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It'll die a natural death soon, since everyone is just 'agreeing to disagree'. If they lock it, another one will pop up in a few days. If people just leave it alone and let it die a natural death, it'll probably be a few months before anyone wants to debate this topic again. It's like the whole buggy / truck thing, or the off-road / on-road thing, or whatever.
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I think the mods need to lock this thread.
I think the mods need to lock this thread.
AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED NUMEROUS TIMES IN VARIOUS WAYS
This thread is an opportunity to discuss the merits of nitro vs electric in various RC settings and classes.
Obviously, the notion of better is of little or no value without the context of what vehicle in what setting or what USER PREFERENCE. Many of the responses in fact are detailing various design and component varyations of the many MANY options.
I would call for moderators to NOT close this thread or ANY other that has as great of particiaption as this one.
Actually as a Web Design hobbyist, I would look at the traffic and participation as a measure of success - I'm sure the advertisers like it too.
Note to those who would call to close it - I invite you to NOT READ IT. Stop trying to exert your limited frame of view on the folks who actually choose to particpate. Perhaps read a magazine or something that only includes subject matter you care about.
03-02-2008 | 02:40 PM
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On paper, there really isn't much debate regarding PERFORMANCE. A brushless based vehicle will absolutely destroy nitros. I recently converted an RC8 to brushless and the fastest nitro's can't keep up with it on straights with me at HALF throttle. The bottomline is that electric technology has surpassed combustion engine tech for hobby vehicles. It is only a matter of time before electric completely takes over rc.
The only advantage nitro has over electric is noise (which for some is a disadvantage). I can admit, even though I can blow the wheels off nitro buggies, the nitros sound so much cooler when you are watching them. Right now, 1/8 electric is still somewhat cost prohibitive and requires a lot of research and trial and error to build a reliable car, but it is getting easier and easier as each month goes by as more and more RTR kits are being developed, kinks worked out, and cost of lipo continue to decrease.
With lipo tech, the run time is pretty good too. I can get abotu 30 minutes on a 3s 8000 pack in my RC8. That same battery in my Rustler VXL will let me run for about 45 minutes. I get about 15-20 minutes on a 4s 5000 pack. They only take about 1.25 hours to charge. Usually I run one pack at the track while one is charging. After a few minutes of wrenching and track marshalling, I am ready to run again.
The nail in the coffin will be when a major manufacturer such as Associated or Losi comes out with an electric based race bred 1/8 model. I also think electric 1/8 will help the sport grow more. Right now, tracks are put out in the middle of podunk due to the noise pollution. Soon we will have indoor/outdoor tracks in the middle of densely populated areas since noise will no longer be an issue. The tracks will also be more fun as you can have bigger jumps. Electrics don't require a lot of run up since all the power is instantaneous. This means you can clear 20 foot doubles with three feet of run up. Requires an entirely different driving style. Finally, electric will bring more people back into RC. I gave up on RC until I discovered brushless/lipo tech last year. I know quite a few grown folks who are getting back in to RC because the can have more power than nitro with absolutely none of the drawbacks. Try running your nitro up and down your street in a quiet subdivision at 10pm at 60+ mph. This will help the sport grow as more people will also get into racing as a result.
Will nitro die? No. There are people who like tinkering with combustion engines and like the noise... just like there are people who still like playing Atari 2600 games out of nostalgia or listening to vinyl records. Electric technology is improving rapidly and I bet within 10 years, nitro will be just a niche part of the hobby.
The only advantage nitro has over electric is noise (which for some is a disadvantage). I can admit, even though I can blow the wheels off nitro buggies, the nitros sound so much cooler when you are watching them. Right now, 1/8 electric is still somewhat cost prohibitive and requires a lot of research and trial and error to build a reliable car, but it is getting easier and easier as each month goes by as more and more RTR kits are being developed, kinks worked out, and cost of lipo continue to decrease.
With lipo tech, the run time is pretty good too. I can get abotu 30 minutes on a 3s 8000 pack in my RC8. That same battery in my Rustler VXL will let me run for about 45 minutes. I get about 15-20 minutes on a 4s 5000 pack. They only take about 1.25 hours to charge. Usually I run one pack at the track while one is charging. After a few minutes of wrenching and track marshalling, I am ready to run again.
The nail in the coffin will be when a major manufacturer such as Associated or Losi comes out with an electric based race bred 1/8 model. I also think electric 1/8 will help the sport grow more. Right now, tracks are put out in the middle of podunk due to the noise pollution. Soon we will have indoor/outdoor tracks in the middle of densely populated areas since noise will no longer be an issue. The tracks will also be more fun as you can have bigger jumps. Electrics don't require a lot of run up since all the power is instantaneous. This means you can clear 20 foot doubles with three feet of run up. Requires an entirely different driving style. Finally, electric will bring more people back into RC. I gave up on RC until I discovered brushless/lipo tech last year. I know quite a few grown folks who are getting back in to RC because the can have more power than nitro with absolutely none of the drawbacks. Try running your nitro up and down your street in a quiet subdivision at 10pm at 60+ mph. This will help the sport grow as more people will also get into racing as a result.
Will nitro die? No. There are people who like tinkering with combustion engines and like the noise... just like there are people who still like playing Atari 2600 games out of nostalgia or listening to vinyl records. Electric technology is improving rapidly and I bet within 10 years, nitro will be just a niche part of the hobby.
03-02-2008 | 02:52 PM
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I look to HEMI street rods becoming a thing of the past too....
Imagine how quiet cruising the Ave will be 10 or 20 years out?
(not that I look forward to the day, I WILL miss them)
I still go to the antique steam engine shows too as I like the smoke and noise, but then a modern garden tractor has more horse power.
: )
I'll be posting some indoor footage in a moment, look for the hairpin turn with a few feet of runup as the buggies and truggies clear a 30 foot triple while they carry head high air......
(our Marshalls really really should wear hocky hemets as these rigs are quite heavy, and running on 2 or 3 horsepower (mostly) NEU motors)
Whheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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I honestly can't wait for electrics to become more popular. When electrics surpass nitros in popularity (at the race track), I will probably start running electrics. Although, Id probably still want a nitro to play with. A major reason I still run Nitro is because I like the durability and driving attitude of 1/8 buggies, which arent available in electric and not common enough to race.
03-02-2008 | 05:09 PM
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On paper, there really isn't much debate regarding PERFORMANCE. A brushless based vehicle will absolutely destroy nitros. I recently converted an RC8 to brushless and the fastest nitro's can't keep up with it on straights with me at HALF throttle. The bottomline is that electric technology has surpassed combustion engine tech for hobby vehicles. It is only a matter of time before electric completely takes over rc.
The only advantage nitro has over electric is noise (which for some is a disadvantage). I can admit, even though I can blow the wheels off nitro buggies, the nitros sound so much cooler when you are watching them. Right now, 1/8 electric is still somewhat cost prohibitive and requires a lot of research and trial and error to build a reliable car, but it is getting easier and easier as each month goes by as more and more RTR kits are being developed, kinks worked out, and cost of lipo continue to decrease.
With lipo tech, the run time is pretty good too. I can get abotu 30 minutes on a 3s 8000 pack in my RC8. That same battery in my Rustler VXL will let me run for about 45 minutes. I get about 15-20 minutes on a 4s 5000 pack. They only take about 1.25 hours to charge. Usually I run one pack at the track while one is charging. After a few minutes of wrenching and track marshalling, I am ready to run again.
The nail in the coffin will be when a major manufacturer such as Associated or Losi comes out with an electric based race bred 1/8 model. I also think electric 1/8 will help the sport grow more. Right now, tracks are put out in the middle of podunk due to the noise pollution. Soon we will have indoor/outdoor tracks in the middle of densely populated areas since noise will no longer be an issue. The tracks will also be more fun as you can have bigger jumps. Electrics don't require a lot of run up since all the power is instantaneous. This means you can clear 20 foot doubles with three feet of run up. Requires an entirely different driving style. Finally, electric will bring more people back into RC. I gave up on RC until I discovered brushless/lipo tech last year. I know quite a few grown folks who are getting back in to RC because the can have more power than nitro with absolutely none of the drawbacks. Try running your nitro up and down your street in a quiet subdivision at 10pm at 60+ mph. This will help the sport grow as more people will also get into racing as a result.
Will nitro die? No. There are people who like tinkering with combustion engines and like the noise... just like there are people who still like playing Atari 2600 games out of nostalgia or listening to vinyl records. Electric technology is improving rapidly and I bet within 10 years, nitro will be just a niche part of the hobby.
On paper, there really isn't much debate regarding PERFORMANCE. A brushless based vehicle will absolutely destroy nitros. I recently converted an RC8 to brushless and the fastest nitro's can't keep up with it on straights with me at HALF throttle. The bottomline is that electric technology has surpassed combustion engine tech for hobby vehicles. It is only a matter of time before electric completely takes over rc.
The only advantage nitro has over electric is noise (which for some is a disadvantage). I can admit, even though I can blow the wheels off nitro buggies, the nitros sound so much cooler when you are watching them. Right now, 1/8 electric is still somewhat cost prohibitive and requires a lot of research and trial and error to build a reliable car, but it is getting easier and easier as each month goes by as more and more RTR kits are being developed, kinks worked out, and cost of lipo continue to decrease.
With lipo tech, the run time is pretty good too. I can get abotu 30 minutes on a 3s 8000 pack in my RC8. That same battery in my Rustler VXL will let me run for about 45 minutes. I get about 15-20 minutes on a 4s 5000 pack. They only take about 1.25 hours to charge. Usually I run one pack at the track while one is charging. After a few minutes of wrenching and track marshalling, I am ready to run again.
The nail in the coffin will be when a major manufacturer such as Associated or Losi comes out with an electric based race bred 1/8 model. I also think electric 1/8 will help the sport grow more. Right now, tracks are put out in the middle of podunk due to the noise pollution. Soon we will have indoor/outdoor tracks in the middle of densely populated areas since noise will no longer be an issue. The tracks will also be more fun as you can have bigger jumps. Electrics don't require a lot of run up since all the power is instantaneous. This means you can clear 20 foot doubles with three feet of run up. Requires an entirely different driving style. Finally, electric will bring more people back into RC. I gave up on RC until I discovered brushless/lipo tech last year. I know quite a few grown folks who are getting back in to RC because the can have more power than nitro with absolutely none of the drawbacks. Try running your nitro up and down your street in a quiet subdivision at 10pm at 60+ mph. This will help the sport grow as more people will also get into racing as a result.
Will nitro die? No. There are people who like tinkering with combustion engines and like the noise... just like there are people who still like playing Atari 2600 games out of nostalgia or listening to vinyl records. Electric technology is improving rapidly and I bet within 10 years, nitro will be just a niche part of the hobby.
03-02-2008 | 05:12 PM
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Here's a small taste (sorry for the lo res, I have limited video equipment)
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7166520/tm.htm
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7166520/tm.htm
03-02-2008 | 06:39 PM
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Thanks. I actually find this topic very interesting from a business standpoint. We are basically witnessing a complete disintermediation of an industry. RC right now is based around nitro cars, however, the technology is now readily available that makes nitro obsolete. It will be interesting to see how companies react to the new technology. You can rest assured that the major mfg all have their engineering depts scrambling to come up with products. If not, they are going to be out of business. I would be shaking in my boots if I were a manufacturer of nitro engines. Does novarossi make anything else? Strategically, they should be looking to acquire a company like Neu. I wouldn't want to be the best manufacturer of buggy whips.
I honestly have been pretty disappointed at how slow a lot of the companies are reacting though. However, I think they get it. I also think many of the companies need to reconsider the demographics that goes along with the technology. Many people like me are gettign back into the hobby because brushless/lipo tech makes the cars faster and more powerful than nitro. When I say like me, I mean grown men with large disposable incomes who wouldn't think anything of dropping hundreds of dollars (if not thousands) on a rc car. Most grown men are just big kids. Many of us got out of the hobby because back in the day, you had electric for the younguns and then you moved up to nitro. However, many of us would have loved nitro cars, but simply couldn't deal with the inconvenience (mess and noise mainly). I don't have the ability to drive a loud RC car conveniently where I live as my neighbors would not take to it too kindly. However, with electric I now drive my car at all hours with no complaints and nothing but smiles from on lookers when my "toy' buzzes by them at 60 mph. When I saw the Rustler VXL by accident at a hobby store I was sold instantly. I can relive my childhood, but do it in a grown up way with a car that gets to 60 in about 3 seconds. It ain't 13 year olds who are going to be buying these cars. It is grown ass men.
Looking at the video, electric is kind of boring next to nitro without the noise. However, I think people will get over it.
I honestly have been pretty disappointed at how slow a lot of the companies are reacting though. However, I think they get it. I also think many of the companies need to reconsider the demographics that goes along with the technology. Many people like me are gettign back into the hobby because brushless/lipo tech makes the cars faster and more powerful than nitro. When I say like me, I mean grown men with large disposable incomes who wouldn't think anything of dropping hundreds of dollars (if not thousands) on a rc car. Most grown men are just big kids. Many of us got out of the hobby because back in the day, you had electric for the younguns and then you moved up to nitro. However, many of us would have loved nitro cars, but simply couldn't deal with the inconvenience (mess and noise mainly). I don't have the ability to drive a loud RC car conveniently where I live as my neighbors would not take to it too kindly. However, with electric I now drive my car at all hours with no complaints and nothing but smiles from on lookers when my "toy' buzzes by them at 60 mph. When I saw the Rustler VXL by accident at a hobby store I was sold instantly. I can relive my childhood, but do it in a grown up way with a car that gets to 60 in about 3 seconds. It ain't 13 year olds who are going to be buying these cars. It is grown ass men.
Looking at the video, electric is kind of boring next to nitro without the noise. However, I think people will get over it.
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Thanks. I actually find this topic very interesting from a business standpoint.
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Looking at the video, electric is kind of boring next to nitro without the noise. However, I think people will get over it.
Thanks. I actually find this topic very interesting from a business standpoint.
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Looking at the video, electric is kind of boring next to nitro without the noise. However, I think people will get over it.
Thanks for stopping by.
