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Losing The Experts and Their Knowledge
We lost another expert from the engine forum today. Al Lewis went the way of Ralph Cunningham and ended his RCU membership. The reason? According to him his post for the AMA forum was moderated before it even hit the board. So I suppose over moderation is the reason.
I'm another that may be on the short list for those to receive moderated status. If and when it happens I'll follow Ralph and Al. Who will be next and who will you folks be left with? Will it be Pe Reivers? Dick Hansen? Altavillan? RTK? Who then? Rules have become much more stringent than they have ever been. I believe that somehow the management believes this will improve this forum. I believe the reverse is true and will drive people away. Slowly at first, but increasing in pace as conversation becomes more restricted. The end result will be an exodus of advertisers to other sites, following the membership that was divorced from this site. If you folks like it this way, all you have to do is nothing. In doing nothing you will lose much in the way of accumulated engine knowledge and experience, and have nothing but your own devices to turn to. No forum is anything without it's participants. |
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We lost another expert from the engine forum today. Al Lewis went the way of Ralph Cunningham and ended his RCU membership. |
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ORIGINAL: Pat Roy We lost another expert from the engine forum today. Al Lewis went the way of Ralph Cunningham and ended his RCU membership. The reason? According to him his post for the AMA forum was moderated before it even hit the board. There is no post on RCU that is moderated before it is posted unless the member is on moderated status. Regarding why it was removedm I don't know the particulars in this particular case. |
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I was monitoring that thread that evening during the exchange in question, Marc.
PM me or email if you want input. |
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I have no plans to ever let them catch me. My job is to run through the mud yelling and screaming, theirs is to act like mom and try n stop me.
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I too may follow.
Elson |
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This is gonna suck... I hope peace can be found so more losses can be avoided. We're all on the same side...remember?
Chad |
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Me too, where's the door? The value has continued to go downhill, I guess you get what you pay for.
There are other forums that I frequent more now. Bob |
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I consider RCU to be "my forum", the forum where I meet the folks I feel comportable with. However, sometimes I get the impression, that "freedom" of speech is quite narrowed down to what RCU guidelines dictate. This is not freedom anymore, but smells like fascism.
We Europeans still know what THAT means. My $0.02 PS, if this post gets moderated, I know what to do. |
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this is realy bad ,Al Lewis, Ralph, Pat Roy, Bug Man,Pe Reivers,RTK and yes even Dick Hanson he has a way with words, Oh Screw it. that i would miss on these forums.all of these guy's are a real asset to RCU for there help to all of us Babes in the Woods out here. everyone of these guy's have forgot more than most of us will ever know.if you don't have people like these on these forums there is no need to visit RCU. i know you half to watch over these forums but comon losen up the ropes and make all the moderators follow the same rules of engagement.
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Don't worry the class acts will return. You can only take avitars with horses taking a crap and cats molesting themselves for just so long.
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ORIGINAL: RCadmin There is no post on RCU that is moderated before it is posted unless the member is on moderated status. Regarding why it was removedm I don't know the particulars in this particular case. CR |
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ORIGINAL: Bob Pastorello I was monitoring that thread that evening during the exchange in question, Marc. PM me or email if you want input. CR |
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I second the motion on getting some uniformity among the moderators. And sure, they could loosen up a bit on the rules. We all just need to work toward those goals.
For me, I guess I have gotten used to rules---26 years in the AF will do that to you---and overall, I think they make for a better world (and a better RCU). That doesn't mean the rules shouldn't or can't be changed. They can. We just have to drive that change within the bounds set up by this great gathering place. I hate to see Al leave---his posts were very valuable---and I don’t want to see any of the other experts leave. That said, it seems to me that the path to change is not blazed by leaving the path, it's by working harder for the change. I hope most of the experts that bring the real value to RCU will see it that way. Otherwise, those of us seeking their knowledge will be left to learn by our mistakes. (And as one of the gathered experts says, “...you can't live long enough to make all the mistakes yourself.” So, we all need to sound off reasonably and logically for uniform and more tolerant enforcement by the moderators. The powers that be will see that as a positive. After all, they want RCU to be successful just as we do. Let's hang in there, seek some change by letting our powerful voice be heard, and then concentrate on what’s really important---flying. |
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Bob,
Feel free to PM me with details or if you think prudent put it here as factual as possible so members can weigh in on it. This way if something was done against the rules members can pass their own judgement. I don't know details so I have not passed any thus far. Bottom line is unmoderated forums don't do well. RCU is as big as it is because moderation works. Imagine your town and country even if there were no cops to police. It is no different here. Do mods get it wrong sometimes? Sure..they are humans. Matter of fact they are just modelers like yourselves that volunteered their time (for free) to try and keep rcu a better place for all the members (you). Everyone complains when they get moderated. Nobody ever made a post that was against the rules, in bad taste, uncalled for, etc...right? Did a mod make a bad call on this one? Maybe and maybe not. Let's hear the facts of the case and determine if the actions taken were perhaps justifiable. |
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Part of the reason why these more experienced modelers are leaving is because of all the smart-assed newbies who are CONSTANTLY contradicting the experts and calling them idiots. How long would you put up with it?
Pat, RTK, Ralph, Al, Dick Hanson, PE Reivers-- ALL have spent many many more hours running engines than 99% of the other people on this board. They give FREELY of their experience. Both success' and failures. But the RC world is flooded with newbies who don't know a needle valve from a pop-off valve. These types of guys come here and ask for advice or help--and when they don't get the answer they want to hear-- or the same answer they got at flying g.iants-- they have the gaul to call the resident experts IDIOTS and demand links and other BS "proof" to back up their statements. Hey, YOU asked for help because YOU don't know how to tune an engine. When somebody is KIND enough to answer you--be gracious and courteous. This is why the forums are being "over-moderated". Newbies with minimal or ZERO experience ask questions and then start pissing matches when they don't hear what they wanted to hear. You want PROOF of what these experts are telling you? GO LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF AND STOP ASKING SOMEBODY ELSE TO WIPE YOUR BUTT FOR YOU!!! Take some initiative. Put a little effort into helping educate YOURSELF. There's a SEARCH function in every forum on RCU. Try using it BEFORE you post another thread asking for help on how to tune your problematic DA50. :eek: |
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Bob,
I agree that some rules must be kept in place or chaos reigns supreme. However, those rules need to be flexible enough to permit various forms of expression. Often what one says can be skewed by the manner in which it was presented. There are also times when one person making the call can be too restrictive because it followed their personal defination of the rule. Sometimes a consensus needs to be obtained between several moderators before making the call. |
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ORIGINAL: Pat Roy Bob, I agree that some rules must be kept in place or chaos reigns supreme. However, those rules need to be flexible enough to permit various forms of expression. Often what one says can be skewed by the manner in which it was presented. There are also times when one person making the call can be too restrictive because it followed their personal defination of the rule. Sometimes a consensus needs to be obtained between several moderators before making the call. |
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ORIGINAL: Bob Pastorello This is a good example of how a thread can wander, and how easy it can be to break the rules. For example, Rcpilet, I happen to STRONGLY disagree with what you represent to be the "process" that goes on between/among MODS "before we edit or delete". My reason - my observations of how threads are "handled" frequently would not seem to support what you say happens. Having said that - I agree wholeheartedly that a newbie (or an experienced person) who acts like a jerk, needs to be treated like a jerk. I have NO beef with moderators tossing someone who is aggressive, discourteous, or arrogant in their "speech" toward others. Hell, Pe Reivers and I go back over a decade together, off and on, and we had a HUGE disagreement that actually launched our successful relationship today. But the difference was that we both ACTED like we wanted to reach "peace" and mutual respect. There is no simple cure to standardized moderating, that I can see. Thus, I must accept the options as they really ARE, as I stated in my original reply to Pat Roy. It's "play or pass", boys..... end of story. Do I *tire* of repeating over and over and over..... hell, yes. But I'm a LOT more inclined to post the same thing to someone who "asks" in a reasonable manner, and accepts a response as it is presented without getting into some kind of bizzarre pissing contest between keyboards. Evidently, it's been a LONG winter for many, and maybe the sunspots have already started...... It's not easy. I get hate mail for deleting posts from people who were being OBVIOUS jerks and breaking the rules. I get it 80% of the time when I have to moderate something. I don't like having to jump into a pissing match and start nuking stuff. I hate it. If people would just act like grown ups and act like the other guy is sitting across the park bench from you--we'd all get along better. But lots of guys are 250lbs and 6'7" behind their keyboard. I just wish guys would have a little more respect for each other. We all love airplanes. You RARELY see 2 guys shouting or cussing at each other at the flying field. So why do it here? |
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edit: How huge can a dogleg be? I still have those mails and they, when reading them again, did not fail to produced a smile on my face. My "representative" probably was not as happy as I. |
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