erieqc

AGAPE Racing and Hobby LLC Anounced at the Toledo Show they are the new NGH Dealer in the US [link]http://agaperacingandhobby.com/[/link]

First offering is a GT17 Priced around $239.00



Specifications
Engine Type: Gasoline Two-stroke, Air Cooled, Rotary Valve
Cylinder Type: Precision Steel Sleeve
Cylinders: Single
Crank Type-Forged： Dual Ball Bearing Support
Mounting Type: Beam or Rail Mount
Carburetor Type : Walbro WT Series
Carburetor Mounting: Front
Crankshaft Threads: 5/16" X 24 TPI
Mounting Dimensions: Owners Manual or Website
Plug Type: 1/4 X 32
Displacement: 1.02 cu in.(16.91cc)
Bore: 1.14 in. (29mm)
Stroke: 1.01 in (25.6mm)
Engine (Only) Weight: 730g
Ignition Weight: 120g
Prop Range: 14*8,15*8,16*8
RPM Range:L 2100-9000
Fuel： Unleaded Gasoline With High-Quality Two-Cycle Oil, Pre- Mixed
compression ratio: 10
Pre-Mix Oil Ratio and Type ： Break-in with 25:1, General 35:1, For Air Cooled Engines
RCEXL 1/4 x32 TPI ignition system
Adjustable exhaust muffler


Performance
Prop RPM
JXF 14*8 9000
JXF 15*8 8000
JXF 16*8 7000

Offering #2 GT25 $259.00 They just recieved it the night before the Toledo Show. This info came off their brochure.


Specifications
Engine Type: Gasoline Two-stroke, Air Cooled, Rotary Valve
Cylinder Type: Precision Steel Sleeve
Cylinders: Single
Crank Type-Forged： Dual Ball Bearing Support
Mounting Type: Beam or Rail Mount
Carburetor Type : Walbro WT Series
Carburetor Mounting: Front
Crankshaft Threads: 5/16" X 24 TPI
Mounting Dimensions: Owners Manual or Website
Plug Type: 1/4 X 32
Displacement: 1.50 cu in.(25.0cc)
Bore: 1.307 in. (33.2mm)
Stroke: 1.142 in (29.0mm)
Engine (Only) Weight: 830g
Ignition Weight: 120g
Prop Range: 15*8,16*8, 17*6,17*8
RPM Range:L 1600-11000
Fuel： Unleaded Gasoline With High-Quality Two-Cycle Oil, Pre- Mixed
compression ratio: 10
Pre-Mix Oil Ratio and Type ： Break-in with 25:1, General 35:1, For Air Cooled Engines
RCEXL 1/4 x32 TPI ignition system
Adjustable exhaust muffler

spaceworm

It looks to be a glow conversion. Does the conrod have needle bearings on both ends? Is the cylinder chromed? Single or dual rings? Whose ignition system is provided with the engine? Muffler supplied? Thanks.

Sincerely, Richard

w8ye

My Feedback: (16)

At 35:1 gas/oil mix it has a needle bearing rod?

skip1320

JBA 15 spins 10,500 w/14x6 xoar an 9400 w/15x6 xoar,none of it means anything till they use the proper carburetor's w/accelerator pumps....

jedijody

My Feedback: (1)

Sorry but no needle bearings on the rod, plain bearings just like the J15G. Also,like the J15G, it's not a glow conversion, it's designed from the ground up for gasoline.

w8ye

My Feedback: (16)

I don't see how they can run that lean on oil with no needle bearings?

airborne2.4

Nice
Weighs about the same as my JBA 15 with a little bit more power.

Heli-NuBee

Hey Jody, will you folks be carrying these engines when they are released for distribution?

a1pcfixer

My Feedback: (7)

But consider the GT17 to be basically an improved version of your JBA-15g, at a higher price.
Too bad it's not priced around $20.00 less, then it's own market niche would be set.

With a DLE20cc having the better roller bearings, and both priced the same, go for the DLE20cc instead!

Now the GT25 looks to have potential, dependent upon the bearing difference.

airborne2.4

I was wondering when you'd get over here. I guess you're busy working that contest entry

w8ye

My Feedback: (16)

The prices I was quoted were much cheaper than that.

If you are serious about purchasing a 17 or 25, you should personally contact Agape. They are not making any commitments until the shipment comes in.

spaceworm

...
With a DLE20cc having the better roller bearings, and both priced the same, go for the DLE20cc instead!

Now the GT25 looks to have potential, dependent upon the bearing difference.
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I always thought that ball bearings were preferred for the crank bearings as they can absorb axial thrust better than roller bearings?

Regards, Richard/Club SAITO #635

w8ye

My Feedback: (16)

What he was talking about was that the DLE-20 has a needle bearing rod and the 17 has a bushing

a1pcfixer

My Feedback: (7)

Yep!

DLE20cc.....

spaceworm

Ok, I heard roller bearings and thought crank, needle bearings to me says rod. Roller bearings are caged with an inner and outer race; needle bearings are caged outside but ride on the crank pin or wrist pin on the inside?

Regards, Richard

a1pcfixer

My Feedback: (7)

Richard,

http://www.timken.com/en-us/products...s/default.aspx

airborne2.4

Guys, that GT25 looks good, but does anyone know what do ya strap it on?
Wouldn't it be to much for a 60-90 and not enough for a 90-1.20?

w8ye

My Feedback: (16)

It will work on all the classic small gassers like we used to put G23 Zenoahs and weed whacker engines on.

spaceworm

OK, I see from your Timken reference that some neeedle bearings have no outer shell as well as no inner shell. It does not change the fact that needle bearings ride directly on the crank pin or wrist pin. Or are you suggesting something else?


Regards, Richard

erieqc

Thats what Jim qouted me at the show in Toledo I will email them and if it is different I will change it or they can add their input.

a1pcfixer

My Feedback: (7)

Richard,

You had earlier mentioned needle & roller bearings in a fashion to indicate they're different.
Just two names for the same thing, as you seen at the Timken link I gave.

In most of our glow/gas engines we'll have ball bearing style in the case housings to support the crank,
then roller -and/or- brass bushings for the rod.

I prefer roller over brass bushings.
YMMV.

spaceworm

I differ with you as does Timken. Roller bearings have metal casings on both inside and outside and the rollers do not run on the shaft surfaces. They are pressed into the component housings just like ball bearings.

Needle bearings have at least the inner needles unenclosed and those run on the shaft directly.

Regards, Richard

erieqc

Thats the price on both of them. Jim is going to update their website when they get home.

NM2K

My Feedback: (14)

Why a question mark? Are you asking us? No offense intended.


Ed Cregger

w8ye

My Feedback: (16)

In the next couple posts - Jody answered the question - It does not