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02-25-2012, 08:07 AM
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XYZ ignition
I crashed my DLE 30 and destroyed my ignition for it..
Since I had an XYZ ignition I bought for another abandoned project I installed it on the DLE.
It runs the engine fine but I can't hand start it. I had to use a starter
Does the XYZ ignition have a curve to allow hand starting and I have it advanced too far?
Or is it just a fixed timing and I am going to have to use a starter?
Since I had an XYZ ignition I bought for another abandoned project I installed it on the DLE.
It runs the engine fine but I can't hand start it. I had to use a starter
Does the XYZ ignition have a curve to allow hand starting and I have it advanced too far?
Or is it just a fixed timing and I am going to have to use a starter?
02-25-2012, 08:48 AM
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RE: XYZ ignition
I doubt if anyone knows much about that ignition. They are known for a high failure rate. Better to get an RCEXL ignition for it. They work very well, and the electronics in them were revised and ok'd by CH Ignitions, which made the best ignitions there was...
Try www.southeastrcengines.com , or www.valleyviewrc.com
AV8TOR
Try www.southeastrcengines.com , or www.valleyviewrc.com
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02-25-2012, 07:40 PM
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RE: XYZ ignition
I took the broken rcxcel ignition apart and compared it to XYZ. They look like they came out of the same factory. The rcxcel has a metal case while the XYZ is plastic,same size. The internal layout looks very similar. I think the rcxcel is an update of the XYZ.
02-25-2012, 09:07 PM
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RE: XYZ ignition
There is no way xyz is an updated RC EXL...EXL is a clone of C&H, acknowledged to be the best model airplane ignition ever made...A close copy, maybe [>:]
02-26-2012, 01:49 AM
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RE: XYZ ignition
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....................I think the rcxcel is an update of the XYZ.
....................I think the rcxcel is an update of the XYZ.
Sort of like getting the buggy in front of the horse.[X(]
02-26-2012, 08:29 AM
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RE: XYZ ignition
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There is no way xyz is an updated RC EXL...EXL is a clone of C&H, acknowledged to be the best model airplane ignition ever made...A close copy, maybe [>:]
There is no way xyz is an updated RC EXL...EXL is a clone of C&H, acknowledged to be the best model airplane ignition ever made...A close copy, maybe [>:]
02-26-2012, 08:35 AM
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RE: XYZ ignition
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Yep I think they wised up after all the troubles there own ign was having.
Yep I think they wised up after all the troubles there own ign was having.
I am just flying one. The only thing is I have found I need to use a starter or get bruised fingers.
02-26-2012, 08:53 AM
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I am happy that your having such good luck with your XYZ Ign's, as a rule if I want to know something about a certain product I do a search and see for myself, I suggest you do the same.
BTW I don't think getting bruised fingers is the greatest of luck myself.
BTW I don't think getting bruised fingers is the greatest of luck myself.
02-26-2012, 09:05 AM
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RE: XYZ ignition
If it kicks back it's either timed wrong or bad...I have a Quadra Aerrow 100 single here and a Sachs 5.8 single just converted...Either one starts with two fingers flipping the prop, they will NOT kick back...I am using RC EXL ignitions just received from Xu Liang....I buy 10 at a time, my name is on the box....
02-26-2012, 11:15 AM
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RE: XYZ ignition
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I am happy that your having such good luck with your XYZ Ign's, as a rule if I want to know something about a certain product I do a search and see for myself, I suggest you do the same.
BTW I don't think getting bruised fingers is the greatest of luck myself.
I am happy that your having such good luck with your XYZ Ign's, as a rule if I want to know something about a certain product I do a search and see for myself, I suggest you do the same.
BTW I don't think getting bruised fingers is the greatest of luck myself.
Have you owned one?
Unfortunately, most internet searches turn up hearsay.
02-26-2012, 11:23 AM
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If it kicks back it's either timed wrong or bad...I have a Quadra Aerrow 100 single here and a Sachs 5.8 single just converted...Either one starts with two fingers flipping the prop, they will NOT kick back...I am using RC EXL ignitions just received from Xu Liang....I buy 10 at a time, my name is on the box....
If it kicks back it's either timed wrong or bad...I have a Quadra Aerrow 100 single here and a Sachs 5.8 single just converted...Either one starts with two fingers flipping the prop, they will NOT kick back...I am using RC EXL ignitions just received from Xu Liang....I buy 10 at a time, my name is on the box....
Have you tried one of the XYZ's?
If you are selling RC XCL's PM me with your price.
I tried to get one from Xu Liang some time ago but he said I would have to deal thru C&H. That turned me off.
02-26-2012, 01:24 PM
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RE: XYZ ignition
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I used C&H's timing wheel to check it but I have to admit I wasn't very precise. The DLE runs great when I fly it.
Have you tried one of the XYZ's?
If you are selling RC XCL's PM me with your price.
I tried to get one from Xu Liang some time ago but he said I would have to deal thru C&H. That turned me off.
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If it kicks back it's either timed wrong or bad...I have a Quadra Aerrow 100 single here and a Sachs 5.8 single just converted...Either one starts with two fingers flipping the prop, they will NOT kick back...I am using RC EXL ignitions just received from Xu Liang....I buy 10 at a time, my name is on the box....
If it kicks back it's either timed wrong or bad...I have a Quadra Aerrow 100 single here and a Sachs 5.8 single just converted...Either one starts with two fingers flipping the prop, they will NOT kick back...I am using RC EXL ignitions just received from Xu Liang....I buy 10 at a time, my name is on the box....
Have you tried one of the XYZ's?
If you are selling RC XCL's PM me with your price.
I tried to get one from Xu Liang some time ago but he said I would have to deal thru C&H. That turned me off.
02-26-2012, 03:54 PM
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I just buy to use for conversions...Don't want to upser the applecart, like what happened with DLE engines....They quit selling to Chinese wholesalers.....looks like authorized dealers didn't want the competition....
02-26-2012, 04:17 PM
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I almost push the button on one one time due to the cost factor then decided against it after doing a little reading.
No I have not owned one and never will, untill Bill closed the doors all my IGNS was C&H now I have a mixture of both RCxell and C&H.
Talking to Bill @ C&H he told me that RCxell was almost a direct copy of his IGN part for part, but the plug lead can't be changed in the RCxell like it can in the C&H.
Now I get my IGN's from Agape or Wrong Way RC, I think Agape is the better of the two at prices by a little and shipping is less or was less.
Agree with Ralph also if it's kicking back the timing is to fast, or the IGN is not retarding itself like it is supposed to. 28-30 degrees BTDC is what most should be set at, at least the ones I use. But a small engine like a 26 must be way off if it is actually kicking back hard enough to hurt a person.
No I have not owned one and never will, untill Bill closed the doors all my IGNS was C&H now I have a mixture of both RCxell and C&H.
Talking to Bill @ C&H he told me that RCxell was almost a direct copy of his IGN part for part, but the plug lead can't be changed in the RCxell like it can in the C&H.
Now I get my IGN's from Agape or Wrong Way RC, I think Agape is the better of the two at prices by a little and shipping is less or was less.
Agree with Ralph also if it's kicking back the timing is to fast, or the IGN is not retarding itself like it is supposed to. 28-30 degrees BTDC is what most should be set at, at least the ones I use. But a small engine like a 26 must be way off if it is actually kicking back hard enough to hurt a person.
02-26-2012, 07:52 PM
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RE: XYZ ignition
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I almost push the button on one one time due to the cost factor then decided against it after doing a little reading.
No I have not owned one and never will, untill Bill closed the doors all my IGNS was C&H now I have a mixture of both RCxell and C&H.
Talking to Bill @ C&H he told me that RCxell was almost a direct copy of his IGN part for part, but the plug lead can't be changed in the RCxell like it can in the C&H.
Now I get my IGN's from Agape or Wrong Way RC, I think Agape is the better of the two at prices by a little and shipping is less or was less.
Agree with Ralph also if it's kicking back the timing is to fast, or the IGN is not retarding itself like it is supposed to. 28-30 degrees BTDC is what most should be set at, at least the ones I use. But a small engine like a 26 must be way off if it is actually kicking back hard enough to hurt a person.
I almost push the button on one one time due to the cost factor then decided against it after doing a little reading.
No I have not owned one and never will, untill Bill closed the doors all my IGNS was C&H now I have a mixture of both RCxell and C&H.
Talking to Bill @ C&H he told me that RCxell was almost a direct copy of his IGN part for part, but the plug lead can't be changed in the RCxell like it can in the C&H.
Now I get my IGN's from Agape or Wrong Way RC, I think Agape is the better of the two at prices by a little and shipping is less or was less.
Agree with Ralph also if it's kicking back the timing is to fast, or the IGN is not retarding itself like it is supposed to. 28-30 degrees BTDC is what most should be set at, at least the ones I use. But a small engine like a 26 must be way off if it is actually kicking back hard enough to hurt a person.
Go back and look at my first post. I asked a question directed to people that have experience with the unit and what I get from you is the product worthless. And you admit you have no basis for that statement.
BTW early C&H units did not have a delay in them.
Again I ask, does the XYZ have that delay?
Please just answer the question if you know it, and don't bore us with worthless opinions.
02-27-2012, 05:57 AM
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Very early, 15 years ago maybe...When Ed Vollmer invented syncro spark it was all over for anyone else.''
Very early, 15 years ago maybe...When Ed Vollmer invented syncro spark it was all over for anyone else.''
02-27-2012, 06:48 AM
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Yup, I made all mine that way. When I could get the syncro from Ed I changed..Saves a little weight without the ball bearing for the sensor ring..With the rear carb engines it's easier without the linkage....
Mechnical advance is linear from idle to WOT, instead of full at 4000. Some l ike it better...
Mechnical advance is linear from idle to WOT, instead of full at 4000. Some l ike it better...
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RE: XYZ ignition
THis is not about an ign its about the fact that you are to lazy to do some looking to find out what others already know. I don't believe everything that I read by a long ways but after so many say its a fact it must be a fact.
After so many say it's not up to par I have a tendency to believe them. I'm not sure why you picked me out to do your vent on but bring it on I have broad shoulders and there is nothing you can say or do that will make me believe that IGN is worth taking home.
Saying it is a RCxcell in a plastic case just shows how little you actually know about the whole situation, Compairing a C&H to a cheap chinese ign is a joke in itself. It dosent matter what sort of an advance it has.
Read my original post again I said they finally wised up and started useing the RCxell ign,nothing more, I was not addressing you in particular just a blanket statment. Now you want to make it personal. Well guess what? They have or at least the ign is branded as such.
Who are you to tell me what I can or can't do anyway this is a free forum and any or all feedback is supposed to be welcome that includes things some don't want to hear.
After so many say it's not up to par I have a tendency to believe them. I'm not sure why you picked me out to do your vent on but bring it on I have broad shoulders and there is nothing you can say or do that will make me believe that IGN is worth taking home.
Saying it is a RCxcell in a plastic case just shows how little you actually know about the whole situation, Compairing a C&H to a cheap chinese ign is a joke in itself. It dosent matter what sort of an advance it has.
Read my original post again I said they finally wised up and started useing the RCxell ign,nothing more, I was not addressing you in particular just a blanket statment. Now you want to make it personal. Well guess what? They have or at least the ign is branded as such.
Who are you to tell me what I can or can't do anyway this is a free forum and any or all feedback is supposed to be welcome that includes things some don't want to hear.
