Are these engines basically the same as the LS Pro 26 and are they parts interchangeable with the spe 26.

http://www.peakmodel.com/index.php?m...roducts_id=327

http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=382068

How many people do you suppose have bought one of every 26 out there and tried to interchange parts? This 26 stuff has gotten to be so crazy that LS Pro actually had some guy calling him up for information, warranty service, and parts for an engine that the dude bought from another company of manufacture. The engine didn't even have the same name.

If you're shopping price buy the cheapest and live with the results. If you're buying quality and performance go with the proven winners and don't look back. Some of you guys are penny wise and pound foolish.

Basically yes they are the same as LSPro Engines but i would not buy them anywhere else but larry if you want service!

I don't know about the first one but the secound one looks the new CRRP engine

Why look any where else, Larry is selling his for $235.00 and you deal with someone that will back it up.

Milton

All engines that look the same are not exactly the same. They can be like an apple, look good on the outsidebut could be sour as all hell. One more thing, if you look very close you will see that the ign. are not of the R/Cxcel brand on some of the engines that look like mine. They are a knock off of the good tried and proven R/C XCEL brand. I keep a data base of all my customers and know who bought what from me and if you did not buy the engine from me you are out of luck as I will not sell parts to you or service your engine. My parts inventory is reserved for the people who bought from me. So I can give them good service should they require it. It may not be good business but I have a obligation to the people that buy my engines and not for someone that bought an engine from Hong Kong and now has issues with it and cant get parts or service.

Larry LS PRO ENGINES


AIRBORNE RANGER

There really aren't any inexpensive engines out there that will hold up against the "big name" 26s.. but they arent that much more.. a G-26 turns circles around the comp as well as the Brillelli. They are like $100 more.


soarrich.. no clash.. he came at me out of 6 people who said similar things.. just not as pin pointed... pretty one sided really. I just don't support this whole cheap engine craze and think its not a good habbit for modlers to follow. My opinion.. has nothing to do with anyone but my own beliefs. I don't tell people what to sell.

This applies to almost everything I deal with... people ask me about cheap computers almost daily.. I dont support it, especially for businesses.. cars kia vs? etc etc. Just my geneal attitude thats all...nothing harsh about it.

The funny thing is.. Pat (sorry Pat to use you as an example) is in this thread as muich as me preaching the same thing... does anyone jump on him? Nope [sm=75_75.gif]

In reply to the Virginian...
I could be wrong BUT... I think the Brillelli 26SS was a Toro based motor, not Chinese. I have one flying a Jerry's Big Boy and whatever it is... I like it better than my Hanson-massaged G-26 because it's lighter, cheeper, and at least as strong. Plus I'm a big fan of Scott Ellington... hard to put a price on customer satisfaction. And this is not a slam at Hanson or Zenoah.
Mike

No, you are wrong. The Toro based motor came first. Then came the 26SS . Ask Scott from Brillelli.

Jake,

Actually I do catch the dickens for my positions more often than you think.

I read that thread. You refused to cooperate with the distributor, even though he offered to replace the broken parts. No, you wouldn't deal with the guy you bought the engine from, you had to go direct to the factory instead. And then you cried about it. I have a feeling you wanted a bad experience to report on.

You and the other naysayers refuse to even consider the reports from the guys on this thread who have had success with some of the engines.

CR

Pat, I am sure you do.. I was just referring to this thread specifically.. was kind of funny to me.

Charley, You clearly DID NOT read the thread.. your statements make that quite clear.. go read the whole thread, there are reasons for why it was dealt with the way it was.

Yes I did read the thread. I know the stated reasons that Pat jumped over the distributor and went straight to the factory. He set himself up for a bad outcome, IMHO. You have seen, haven't you that someone else got the US distributorship?

CR

UUMMMM........ I may be out of line here but arent we meant to be hearing about the chinese 26cc engines If you dont own one i think you should read the thread and not make comments against them how about listening to Facts from owners of these engines Good or Bad !

No worries, Charley. There were already 3 U.S. distributors in place before I started conversing. Didn't know that,did you? Would you buy 16 engines without knowing if they were worth having? Or are you another that would sell poor quality products to people without a care? Worse, are you one that really believes that everyone selling you something is truthful and looking out for your best interests? As it stands the deficiencies I uncovered paved the way for large improvements in product design. I doubt that would have happened had I simply bought a lot of engines and started selling them. It would have been difficult for me to deal with all the returns for repair and charge them back to the customer as improper installations or operation. I think you'll find that's what some U.S. dealers might do in that situation.

BTW, I never "jumped all over the distributors", but I did go directly to the factory since that's where the engines would be coming from. The dealer knew I was going to the factory for the parts before I did so. I bought from a dealer simply because I started conversations with him before I started conversations with the manufacturer. The manufacturer decided to initiate conversation quite some time after I started working with the dealer. I could have just as easily bought directly from the manufacturer (the offer was there) and cut the dealer out of a profitable sale after he spent all his time and effort talking to me about the engine.

My thing now, as it has always been, is to attempt to educate people getting into giant scale and provide information that will assist them to have the best possible experience for the longest period of time. To make the transition from glow to gas as easy as possibe, and to minimize the number of dollars wasted when people start buying new equipment. Also to provide information that will let people be as safe as possible with their methods and equipment in a hobby that can become extremely dangerous when done incorrectly.

I don't get paid for the effort, and never have. A lot of people have benefitted from the way I do things. You might even be one of them. I have a pretty high standard of ethics and I won't compromise them for profit. Evidently I was brought up quite different from the current generation. I've been burned a couple of times when talking highly of products simply because the manufacturer said they were great. I don't buy into a good line of crap or advertising hype anymore, I have the product in my hand and/or work with it directly before anything is said. The original BME sold quite a few 115's because I said they were a great product after long conversations with Keith. Ultimately he lied to me about several items and a lot of people got expensive engines that would not run correctly. I still feel like hell about the way that worked out. Fortunately the new BME is taking care of those issues for owners.

So if you can't understand that the way I set that engine deal up was deliberate to determine how things would or could work for the average person, and determine the level of quality of the product, so be it. If I don't have confidence in a product or the supplier then it isn't going to happen. You don't know anything other that what was written, and much of what transpired was not put to print.

Now, if people want to run out and buy, sight unseen, new products from people they've never heard of before based upon the word of those people and a cheap price, go for it. In the meantime I have a used 1988 Corolla for sale, only 18,000 miles with an engine that's just like new. Going cheap at only $500.00. I'll bet some people actually would believe that as well.

The Brillelli 26SSR is a very good Chinese engine (Taiwan, so not really the same set of issues regarding QC).

RCIgnitions offers an excellent 29cc Chinese engine (basically a stroker 26cc) for $275 as well as the benchmark Zenoah G26. Both turn a Mejzlik 16x8 around 10k (no exhaust), and Mejzlik 18x6 at 9k rpm.

I agree with you. Some of these naysayers haven't even seen one! I have a SV 26cc that just arrived last week. I wanted to test it soonest but I have to have surgery next Monday. Give me 2 - 3 weeks to get over that and I'll run it and publish the results.

CR

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There are many R/C pilots (such as myself) that fly gas models occasionally, but really tend to enjoy flying glow and electric the most.

I have a Pacific Aero (sp?) Clipped Wing Monocoupe ARF. I bought it because I love the looks of the plane. Will I fly it a lot? No, because I tend to fly classic pattern or fun fly type models the most. I do not need a four hundred dollar engine sitting in this model for months on end without being used, when a $150 26cc Chinese two-stroke powers it just fine - when I do get around to flying it. See what I mean?

Yeah, the 26cc Chinese two-stroke engine doesn't produce as much power as my Zenoah G26 Lite that Ralph built for me or my Evolution 26GT with tuned pipe. So what? This is a sport model that doesn't need infinite vertical and wouldn't look right doing it anyway.

You say my cheapie Chinese engine won't last as long as the Zenoah? Probably not, but I seldom fly the engine/plane combo anyway. I honestly don't "care" if this engine isn't top shelf, as long as it does the job - and it does.

Not everyone is into maximum performance 3D or IMAC flying.


Ed Cregger

All I ask is that they produce reasonable power, reliably, for a reasonable period of time. Nothing matters after that. Where I have problems is when people buy an engine that either won't start, won't run well enough to pull a plane that fits the engine size, wears out in a week, or physically breaks under normal use in a month or two. That's where a customer gets screwed. If the engine doesn't match any of the biggies in appearence or brute strength, who cares. It only has to work the way it's supposed to.

Many of those looking for the less expensive engines probably simply can't afford the better ones. I understand the point all to well. What hurts is when they have to buy an engine again after a very short period of time because the first one failed for one reason or another. Bearings, cranks, pistons, rings, cylinders, carbs, ignitions, mounting lugs, I've seen them all and none of them should fail in the first 4 to 6 months of casual use when installed and used correctly. Many of those same people don't yet know how to work with gasser components and getting one that won't start or that has severe interference issues doesn't do them any favors either. It's all about making it work for the modeler in a manner than can be enjoyable, not frustrating.

It's not a good deal when you have to buy it two or three times or it's back and forth to a dealer for repairs several times. Worse is when there's no customer support structure in place to take care of issues, which has happened all too often.

Can most agree with that?

I'm glad you said "Most" there Pat - I could imagine the barrage of replies otherwise

Yup, absolutely.

I used to buy a certain brand of glow engine that had a reputation for having to be sent back several times in order toget it "fixed" to run normally. I do know what it is like to be frustrated in such a fashion, although, later on, after I had enough reliable engines that a trip back to the factory wouldn't keep me from flying, I bought them anyway.

The manufacturer used to encourage his customers to tinker with their engines and he would sometimes send free parts and provide you with a good, educational phone conversation for free. I used to try to discourage newbies in the hobby from buying the particular brand as their first engine. Of course, they would always ask me why I bought them "if they were so bad". I explained that these engines were a complete hobby unto themselves and that later, when they had more experience, it would be fun to buy some of these foxy engines.

Problem is, getting back to the point, no one knows what is good or bad when a new product comes out. If one is not up to snuff on engine theory, operation and maintenance practices, they might want to forego buying the enticingly cheap engines for a while and get some experience with a well proven, reliable, factory/distributor supported engine.

If my latest gas engine has problems, I yank it off the plane and put my trusted Zenoah, BME, ZDZ, Brison, Brillelli, BCMA or Evolution engines back on and go fly. Someone with a limited budget or experience would not perceive an engine problem the same way as a more experienced, better equipped modeler would.


Ed Cregger

Pat Roy: "All I ask is that they produce reasonable power, reliably, for a reasonable period of time. Nothing matters after that. Where I have problems is when people buy an engine that either won't start, won't run well enough to pull a plane that fits the engine size, wears out in a week, or physically breaks under normal use in a month or two. That's where a customer gets screwed. If the engine doesn't match any of the biggies in appearence or brute strength, who cares. It only has to work the way it's supposed to. "

I have to agree with this. I bought an inexpensive 26 quite a while ago but just left it sitting in its box as I didn't have anything I wanted to put it in. Finally got a plane for it to go in, so put the engine on the test stand to run/tweak and it just would not run because it will not draw fuel. I've sent it back this morning hopefully to get it repaired in a timely manner but I'll probably not buy anything else again that isn't a well known brand. Just isn't worth it to me. The engine, a BCMA Sport 26.

This Thread is way off track ! If you guys want to open a thread about the ethics of selling R/C GAS engines, start one im sure RCU doesnt mind, but lets hear from owners of Chinese 26cc Engines and hear what they have to say, like i said good or bad ! Maybe people could start their post by stating what engine they Have !

Sean,

Seems okay right now. Some interesting points are being made.

DL50 (bought from Bob here in USA) & SV 26cc (bought from United Hobby). Both okay so far.


Ed Cregger

Huh, looks like the spe 26cc is much lighter then all of the other 26cc engines. Maybe the lighter weight makes up for the fact that it spins a 16X8 1000rmp slower then a brillelli.