Large size propeller
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From: Glen Robertson, ON, CANADA
Would anyone on this list have ideas on the propeller size for a Quadra 200cc with a belt reduction drive (2.72:1) . The engine combo is installed on a 1/3 scale Beaver that a friend of mine is building.
http://www.geocities.com/roger_forgues/Works.html
Right now he has a 42" x 25" propeller on it, but because the Beaver is on floats, the diameter is too large because of water splash.
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Right now he has a 42" x 25" propeller on it, but because the Beaver is on floats, the diameter is too large because of water splash.
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mgalvin, with that much reduction he will have to run a much higher pitch especially if he reduces the diameter to clear the water. Simple example: in theory a 25" pitch prop at 3500 rpm should be flying the same speed as a 12.5" at 7000 rpm keeping the same diameter. I suspect he will be turning the prop well below 3500 rpm. Yes I know about slip, efficiency, etc. Maybe a 3 blade prop might be in order.
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Hi Roger,
Put some more pictures up on your site of the Beaver. It looks great. I wish they had projects like that when I was in school. All I got to do in shop class is make enameled ash trays.
Put some more pictures up on your site of the Beaver. It looks great. I wish they had projects like that when I was in school. All I got to do in shop class is make enameled ash trays.
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I see the numbers like this:
7,000rpm @ 12.5" pitch = 82.26mph @ 444lbs. thrust
7,000 divided by 2.72 reduction 2,573rpm; 25" pitch prop =65.18mph @ 68.74lbs. thrust
Reducing the diamter of the prop to say 38" looks like this:
2,573rpm, 25" pitch = 65.18 mph @ 40.24lbs. thrust
2,573rpm, 12.5" pitch = 30.46mph @ 40.24lbs. thrust
It looks like to me the key here is going to be developing more thrust at a higher rpm with the reduced size propellor. Pitch only effects "MPH", and has little to no effect on static thrust.
How about a 36/12 @ 5,000rpm developing 122lbs. of thrust at 56mph...
Multiply the scale 56mph by the reduction in size of the model its actually traveling at 168mph...
7,000rpm @ 12.5" pitch = 82.26mph @ 444lbs. thrust
7,000 divided by 2.72 reduction 2,573rpm; 25" pitch prop =65.18mph @ 68.74lbs. thrust
Reducing the diamter of the prop to say 38" looks like this:
2,573rpm, 25" pitch = 65.18 mph @ 40.24lbs. thrust
2,573rpm, 12.5" pitch = 30.46mph @ 40.24lbs. thrust
It looks like to me the key here is going to be developing more thrust at a higher rpm with the reduced size propellor. Pitch only effects "MPH", and has little to no effect on static thrust.
How about a 36/12 @ 5,000rpm developing 122lbs. of thrust at 56mph...
Multiply the scale 56mph by the reduction in size of the model its actually traveling at 168mph...
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From: Glen Robertson, ON, CANADA
Thanks Michael, Bill, and the rest of you for your fine answers. I will tabulate all this and the decision will come from Roger Lalonde the school teacher that built this airplane.
I plan to take more photos and repost them for you guys.
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I plan to take more photos and repost them for you guys.
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I'd just like to say what a cool thing your doing with your class and these kids. It makes me want to go back to high school....your school though. Can I join your class(at 39)? Really inspiring, and beautiful workmanship on the plane. Very admirable and definately commendable. Good luck with it, those kids will have memories of that for life.
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From: Glen Robertson, ON, CANADA
Thanks Dale, I will also take the compliments to its rightfull owner. Roger Lalonde the teacher, I'm just the messanger.
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