SYSSA 30CC GAS MADE IN USA
03-12-2010, 03:41 PM
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RE: SYSSA 30CC GAS MADE IN USA
Hi I'm new to this forum and I really Like what the syssa 30cc has to offer, however I am curiuos if it will work on a ExtremeFlight extra 78inch wingspan with a 11 to 13lb flying weight. So if anyone could help me it would be great.
03-12-2010, 03:44 PM
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This is what my DA-50 manual says about oil:
''For Break-in, we recommend a petroleum-based oil such as Lawn Boy Ashless or
Pennzoil Air Cooled 2 stroke oil at 32:1 ratio. Run at least 2 to 4 gallons of petroleum
oil/gas mix for break-in. This allows the rings to seat quickly without blow by. Use a
prop that allows peak RPM over 6.500 during the break-in process. Set the High
needle slightly rich during break-in.
After the break-in process, we recommend a high quality synthetic oil. As for brand
of oil, there are many good ones on the market. Some oils, and their mix ratios, that
Desert Aircraft recommends are: Amsoil 100:1 Pre-Mix (100 to 1), Amsoil Saber
Professional (100 to 1), Amsoil 2000 (50 to 1), Red-line (40 to 1), Bel-Ray H1-R (50 to
1). Mobil MX2T (32 to 1) These oils can be found at most motorcycle shops.''
This is what my DA-50 manual says about oil:
''For Break-in, we recommend a petroleum-based oil such as Lawn Boy Ashless or
Pennzoil Air Cooled 2 stroke oil at 32:1 ratio. Run at least 2 to 4 gallons of petroleum
oil/gas mix for break-in. This allows the rings to seat quickly without blow by. Use a
prop that allows peak RPM over 6.500 during the break-in process. Set the High
needle slightly rich during break-in.
After the break-in process, we recommend a high quality synthetic oil. As for brand
of oil, there are many good ones on the market. Some oils, and their mix ratios, that
Desert Aircraft recommends are: Amsoil 100:1 Pre-Mix (100 to 1), Amsoil Saber
Professional (100 to 1), Amsoil 2000 (50 to 1), Red-line (40 to 1), Bel-Ray H1-R (50 to
1). Mobil MX2T (32 to 1) These oils can be found at most motorcycle shops.''
That's pretty much what Todd Syssa recommends also. After break in, Amsoil Saber Pro at 100:1 (which actually calculates to about 85:1 if you use the pouches)
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Hi I'm new to this forum and I really Like what the syssa 30cc has to offer, however I am curiuos if it will work on a ExtremeFlight extra 78inch wingspan with a 11 to 13lb flying weight. So if anyone could help me it would be great.
Hi I'm new to this forum and I really Like what the syssa 30cc has to offer, however I am curiuos if it will work on a ExtremeFlight extra 78inch wingspan with a 11 to 13lb flying weight. So if anyone could help me it would be great.
DamonR just got his, so he'll be able to give us the scoop soon.
03-12-2010, 03:52 PM
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I check thrust with a scale on the tail wheel of an airplane...
Years ago I built a large aluminum sliding test stand using linear ball bushings sliding on centerless ground hardened steel rods...There was a scale on one end and the engine mount on the other...
It was heavy, we used it to test 289cc twin race engines...
Using an airplane does the same thing...If used for comparison tests it makes no difference what the small offset from the engine centerline to the tail wheel is, all engines will have the same thrust vector...
I don't dispute the engineering and construction of the SAP, it's a museum piece..
My dispute is the amount of thrust with the 18-6 Vess prop...I think my G26 conversions and the DLE 30 are at least as strong, probably stronger...So I bought a SAP 30 to try...
Anyone that pays attention KNOWS the 3W 28 is the strongest in the size range...And the most expensive...A G26 or DLE30 for less than the SAP is a good deal for most people...
Some people have a need for the latest and greatest, go for it..But in the back of your mind know that a less expensive engine will outdo your/our new museum piece...
Years ago I built a large aluminum sliding test stand using linear ball bushings sliding on centerless ground hardened steel rods...There was a scale on one end and the engine mount on the other...
It was heavy, we used it to test 289cc twin race engines...
Using an airplane does the same thing...If used for comparison tests it makes no difference what the small offset from the engine centerline to the tail wheel is, all engines will have the same thrust vector...
I don't dispute the engineering and construction of the SAP, it's a museum piece..
My dispute is the amount of thrust with the 18-6 Vess prop...I think my G26 conversions and the DLE 30 are at least as strong, probably stronger...So I bought a SAP 30 to try...
Anyone that pays attention KNOWS the 3W 28 is the strongest in the size range...And the most expensive...A G26 or DLE30 for less than the SAP is a good deal for most people...
Some people have a need for the latest and greatest, go for it..But in the back of your mind know that a less expensive engine will outdo your/our new museum piece...
03-12-2010, 03:52 PM
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RE: SYSSA 30CC GAS MADE IN USA
Sounds good i just picked mine up in Perry and the Guys At extreme flight haven't decicded on anything to recomend thank for the info and I'll keep checking on DamonR's progress
03-12-2010, 04:06 PM
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Sounds good i just picked mine up in Perry and the Guys At extreme flight haven't decicded on anything to recomend thank for the info and I'll keep checking on DamonR's progress
Sounds good i just picked mine up in Perry and the Guys At extreme flight haven't decicded on anything to recomend thank for the info and I'll keep checking on DamonR's progress
You didn't happen to see any 2-meter Vanquishes lying around the warehouse, did you?
Okay, bad joke[&o]
03-12-2010, 04:47 PM
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Ralph,
Depending on the needs of the person flying too. If you want or need a slim profile add money to both of the others.
I'm not sure what yours costs but here are stock prices from stores.
Zenoah 26cc Electronic Ignition Gas Engine 374.99
DLE 30cc 319.95
Syssa SAP-180 429.00
Pitts muffler 60.00-80.00
Rear carb set up for a DLE 125.00 (limited time offer)
Single bolt adapter for DLE-30 29.95 I don't like the stock set up, don't see a need for it.
Syssa 429.00
Zenoah 435.00
DLE 30 534.00
That really does offset it quite a bit, and I don't know because I don't own one but can you make a Zenoah a rear carb if needed?
Depending on the needs of the person flying too. If you want or need a slim profile add money to both of the others.
I'm not sure what yours costs but here are stock prices from stores.
Zenoah 26cc Electronic Ignition Gas Engine 374.99
DLE 30cc 319.95
Syssa SAP-180 429.00
Pitts muffler 60.00-80.00
Rear carb set up for a DLE 125.00 (limited time offer)
Single bolt adapter for DLE-30 29.95 I don't like the stock set up, don't see a need for it.
Syssa 429.00
Zenoah 435.00
DLE 30 534.00
That really does offset it quite a bit, and I don't know because I don't own one but can you make a Zenoah a rear carb if needed?
03-12-2010, 04:56 PM
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Ralph,
You left out the MT35. 38.8 oz with ignition, muffler and mount for $289.00. Tomy or whoever designed it did a nice job. More forien competition for the SAP 180. Maybe a SAP 210 is in the future. I would like to see a 60 twin if it could be made narrow enough.
http://www.mtenginesusa.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MT35
You left out the MT35. 38.8 oz with ignition, muffler and mount for $289.00. Tomy or whoever designed it did a nice job. More forien competition for the SAP 180. Maybe a SAP 210 is in the future. I would like to see a 60 twin if it could be made narrow enough.
http://www.mtenginesusa.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MT35
03-12-2010, 05:11 PM
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Yes, and I ran mine today for the first time! It is easy to start to say the least, once I got the carb primed (like Todd does, just flip the prop back and forth) just flip it and voila! I am running his test with the IBEC plugged into the gear port on the JR 921 Rx, Zinger 18-6, and Mobil 87 octane with 32:1 Briggs and Stratton 2 cycle oil, 45F ambient, 700 ft ASL. I have about 40 oz of fuel run through it in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7QkhXtmwIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7QkhXtmwIc
03-12-2010, 06:07 PM
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ORIGINAL: AJsToyz
The Syssa has one thing the others don't, Made in the USA !! [sm=shades_smile.gif]
The Syssa has one thing the others don't, Made in the USA !! [sm=shades_smile.gif]
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03-12-2010, 07:17 PM
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RE: SYSSA 30CC GAS MADE IN USA
ORIGINAL: Antique
I check thrust with a scale on the tail wheel of an airplane...
Years ago I built a large aluminum sliding test stand using linear ball bushings sliding on centerless ground hardened steel rods...There was a scale on one end and the engine mount on the other...
It was heavy, we used it to test 289cc twin race engines...
Using an airplane does the same thing...If used for comparison tests it makes no difference what the small offset from the engine centerline to the tail wheel is, all engines will have the same thrust vector...
I don't dispute the engineering and construction of the SAP, it's a museum piece..
My dispute is the amount of thrust with the 18-6 Vess prop...I think my G26 conversions and the DLE 30 are at least as strong, probably stronger...So I bought a SAP 30 to try...
Anyone that pays attention KNOWS the 3W 28 is the strongest in the size range...And the most expensive...A G26 or DLE30 for less than the SAP is a good deal for most people...
Some people have a need for the latest and greatest, go for it..But in the back of your mind know that a less expensive engine will outdo your/our new museum piece...
I check thrust with a scale on the tail wheel of an airplane...
Years ago I built a large aluminum sliding test stand using linear ball bushings sliding on centerless ground hardened steel rods...There was a scale on one end and the engine mount on the other...
It was heavy, we used it to test 289cc twin race engines...
Using an airplane does the same thing...If used for comparison tests it makes no difference what the small offset from the engine centerline to the tail wheel is, all engines will have the same thrust vector...
I don't dispute the engineering and construction of the SAP, it's a museum piece..
My dispute is the amount of thrust with the 18-6 Vess prop...I think my G26 conversions and the DLE 30 are at least as strong, probably stronger...So I bought a SAP 30 to try...
Anyone that pays attention KNOWS the 3W 28 is the strongest in the size range...And the most expensive...A G26 or DLE30 for less than the SAP is a good deal for most people...
Some people have a need for the latest and greatest, go for it..But in the back of your mind know that a less expensive engine will outdo your/our new museum piece...
It's the only 30 cc class engine with these features ready built it. That was the original appeal to me. The fact that the thing is a stump puller is bonus.
I have no interest in the other engines because the features are not there. Whether stronger or not, I could care less. They will not fit my application
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03-12-2010, 07:26 PM
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RE: SYSSA 30CC GAS MADE IN USA
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I check thrust with a scale on the tail wheel of an airplane...
Years ago I built a large aluminum sliding test stand using linear ball bushings sliding on centerless ground hardened steel rods...There was a scale on one end and the engine mount on the other...
It was heavy, we used it to test 289cc twin race engines...
Using an airplane does the same thing...If used for comparison tests it makes no difference what the small offset from the engine centerline to the tail wheel is, all engines will have the same thrust vector...
I don't dispute the engineering and construction of the SAP, it's a museum piece..
My dispute is the amount of thrust with the 18-6 Vess prop...I think my G26 conversions and the DLE 30 are at least as strong, probably stronger...So I bought a SAP 30 to try...
Anyone that pays attention KNOWS the 3W 28 is the strongest in the size range...And the most expensive...A G26 or DLE30 for less than the SAP is a good deal for most people...
Some people have a need for the latest and greatest, go for it..But in the back of your mind know that a less expensive engine will outdo your/our new museum piece...
I check thrust with a scale on the tail wheel of an airplane...
Years ago I built a large aluminum sliding test stand using linear ball bushings sliding on centerless ground hardened steel rods...There was a scale on one end and the engine mount on the other...
It was heavy, we used it to test 289cc twin race engines...
Using an airplane does the same thing...If used for comparison tests it makes no difference what the small offset from the engine centerline to the tail wheel is, all engines will have the same thrust vector...
I don't dispute the engineering and construction of the SAP, it's a museum piece..
My dispute is the amount of thrust with the 18-6 Vess prop...I think my G26 conversions and the DLE 30 are at least as strong, probably stronger...So I bought a SAP 30 to try...
Anyone that pays attention KNOWS the 3W 28 is the strongest in the size range...And the most expensive...A G26 or DLE30 for less than the SAP is a good deal for most people...
Some people have a need for the latest and greatest, go for it..But in the back of your mind know that a less expensive engine will outdo your/our new museum piece...
03-12-2010, 07:31 PM
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Well, I finally got my engine back today. three months and two trips back and forth to syssa since it was suppose to fly around last Christmas. I can only pray things go ok tomorrow.
Well, I finally got my engine back today. three months and two trips back and forth to syssa since it was suppose to fly around last Christmas. I can only pray things go ok tomorrow.
Let's hope they stay together this time.
R
03-12-2010, 07:33 PM
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BTW antique, are you saying you compared the SAP against the other engines you mentioned and it lagged the others on output? Using your comparison method of testing and equipped the same?
I am interested in the results.
BTW I checked Cactus Aviation for 3W 28. Price for the red cylinder is 800$ and power is indicated as 3.6 hp. Price is outrageous and power indicated, if true, is low
MattK
I am interested in the results.
BTW I checked Cactus Aviation for 3W 28. Price for the red cylinder is 800$ and power is indicated as 3.6 hp. Price is outrageous and power indicated, if true, is low
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03-12-2010, 07:37 PM
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The Syssa has one thing the others don't, Made in the USA !! [sm=shades_smile.gif]
The Syssa has one thing the others don't, Made in the USA !! [sm=shades_smile.gif]
But the MT35 should kick butt. Will know by Wednesday of next week what it can do. Ordered at 3:35PM, received Priority shipping confirmation at 5:01PM
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Nobody will say how much of each engine is actually MADE in the U S....Most are ASSEMBLED from parts made elsewhere....
The SAP with its rear muffler should be the narrowest, but sometimes the rear exhaust is too close to the firewall...
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03-12-2010, 08:27 PM
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Did my first engine run today with the tank filled with 12 oz of 40:1 gas and non-synthetic (I hope) oil mixture. Had about 2 oz left after the 15 min. run. I opened the carb adj. about 1/2 turn from where they were set from the factory so it was a little richer than normal, 1/4 turn was recommended.
The engine started okay using the instructions in the manual. It took a few flips because I had the low throttle setting very low, I would advance a click and flip twice after 3 clicks it fired right off and ran like a champ. Hot start was okay too.
Had no problem with loose engine mounts after the run. Saw some vibration on my pilot's head, he may depart the cockpit at wide open throttle.
Tomorrow, I will try to get a 15 or 20 min. run with the 50:1 mix and a little leaner carb setting.
I like this engine.
It may take a day or two to get the smile off my face.
The engine started okay using the instructions in the manual. It took a few flips because I had the low throttle setting very low, I would advance a click and flip twice after 3 clicks it fired right off and ran like a champ. Hot start was okay too.
Had no problem with loose engine mounts after the run. Saw some vibration on my pilot's head, he may depart the cockpit at wide open throttle.
Tomorrow, I will try to get a 15 or 20 min. run with the 50:1 mix and a little leaner carb setting.
I like this engine.
It may take a day or two to get the smile off my face.
03-12-2010, 08:30 PM
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Nobody will say how much of each engine is actually MADE in the U S....Most are ASSEMBLED from parts made elsewhere....
The SAP with its rear muffler should be the narrowest, but sometimes the rear exhaust is too close to the firewall...
Nobody will say how much of each engine is actually MADE in the U S....Most are ASSEMBLED from parts made elsewhere....
The SAP with its rear muffler should be the narrowest, but sometimes the rear exhaust is too close to the firewall...
Joystick,
Once you lean the engine that vibration should go away.
03-12-2010, 08:41 PM
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I know what you mean, I am still smiling! I certainly did not buy the Syssa for fuel economy on an Extra, but damn, this thing gets great gas milage! I have a 24 oz tank on that test fixture and it takes along time to empty it. You can almost justify the cost of it on the fuel cost delta compared to even my OS 120AX with alot less thrust. Also, I was blown away on how easy it is to start and run, you certainly do not need an electric starter.
03-12-2010, 09:56 PM
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The OS 120AX is a fuel sucker!!! The 160FX spinning a 1" larger prop at higher rpm uses less fuel. Properlyrun-in, tuned and primed glow engines start with a easy back flip.
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The Extreme Flight Extra 300 is a large plane! It looks as big as my Kangke 25% Extra 330 which weights in at 18 lbs with a DA-50.
It certainly makes the Funtana 125 look small.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bycJZ2uINko&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
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It certainly makes the Funtana 125 look small.
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