Hey,

I get to christen the thread!

Here's my question: are these airplane hard to fly?

The reason I ask is that I am not the best pilot. I can fly my trainer, I had a GP Mustang I flew about 18 times before it had the radio poblem, and I fly my fun fly plane that is a shoulder wing version of the Wild Thing.

I have alway heard that small airplanes are hard to fly because of the wing loading. Small airplanes appeal to me though because there are so many airplanes I want to build. The smaller airplanes would not cost as much as their larger counterparts and I could fit more in my house. But really, what the point if they are too much for me to fly? I stopped building plastic models years ago for that very reason.

My interested in small airplanes was just rekindled when I went to www.airkill.com and saw their modle of Dreadnought, a Hawker Sea Fury. http://www.airkill.com/racing.htm

Would there any difference flying the same airplane in the two different sizes (2605 and 2610), assuming the same gear was used?

Here is the equipment I have in mind. I have a OS .25F ABC engine in need of a home and I am willing to buy two mini servos (one for the throttle and one for the elevator) and the new 94777 reciever that wieghs half of the older 94765 reciever (1oz versus 2oz) and I thought I could use a standard servo on the ailerons.

Help! I need advise.

-Bob George

I've flown some other people's combat planes at the field. Some set them up to be extremely responsive. They are a handful unless you are used to it, or have dual rates. Others setup them up to be more like a normal sport plane. And that's what they fly like.

Don't worry about the small size. I fly Speed 400 electric racers with 25-27" inch wingspans, and with reduced throws, they are a pleasure to fly.

In terms of fun, durable planes, I have heard good things about JK Aerotech and their pink foam based planes. Cheap and easy to build. Not beautiful, but built for fun.

The RCCA site is acting funny at the moment. Check out the rules there when they get back online.

Welcome to the forums and racing.

these things are cheap,easy to build and fly great. you can set em up to be a handfull, you can set em up to fly very stable.
put a bb .40 on one and you have a rocket.

the gremlin will give you a taste for flying the smaller planes ,and if you dont like it you are not out that much money and time.
I see you prefer the scale. one of the guys at our field has built two of the little seafuries and said they both flew great. (casualties of last season) I currently have a simple series F4-U that I plan to power with a conquest 15, I think this one might be a handfull . BUT I GOTTA TRY IT!!!!!

Bruiser,

According to the RCCA rules, any plane legal for 2105 is also legal for 2610. It looks like the only difference is the size of the engine ... .21 for 2105, and .26 for 2610.

The RCCA racing class rules specify that 2610 legal planes are to be used, therefore 2105's would qualify as well.

In terms of mounting bolt patterns, I'm not sure of any .21's that have the 1.5" x 0.59" pattern that many of the 25's use. John B can probably advise on this issue.

It is the scale combat planes that I am interested in. I have been thinking about the Ron Daniels Tempest II or Sea Fury kit. Has anyone experienced these since they have been redesigned and increased in size?

How much torque would I need for the elevator servo?

How much torque would I need for a single aileron servo?

Lastly, how much torque would I need if I ran two aileron servos?

All the torque questions generic questions about 1/12th scale combat planes.

Thanks,
-Bob George

Its not the plane thats hard to fly, its watching your plane and the people that you are in combat with ,one eye on your plane the other on the enemy, that is if you plane to use it for this, a gremlin or a Floyd are great and easy to repair and build, I prefer the Combat Floyd, no mixing needed

we had this type of racing five or six years ago and it was a blast. it came about as a fill in for our club racing program . the combat racer guys wanted an organised format to compete when they where not combating.
I used a Zigg's Corsair with a thinned wing and a cut down turtle deck to make an FG-2 with a K-B .21 had race times of 1:40's

our rules where any combat airplane was allowed at that time there was no 2610 but it sure was a blast.

Hi Bob,

The elevator and rudder servos of my Tempests require about 18+ ounces of torque, and the aileron about 26 for a stiff linkage, and 18+ if everything works easily. For dual servos, I'll use 11+ as a cut-off.

As for ease of flight, here are a few shots from my test-flight of my Tempest Mk V, with retracts, bomb-drops and an FX 25. With a 9X5 prop on 15 % fuel, with baffle in place, the performance is well past adequate.








As you can see, I didn't bother with the "three mistakes high" rule...

For a more impartial view, check out the review on The Hawker Tempest Page


Ron Daniels