Navy N3N
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Always wanted to build a large model of the Navy "Yellow Peril" N3N and maybe on floats. Never seen much available as far as scale plans over the years. Anyone know of a large plans source? 
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Re: Navy N3N
Young Lady #5:
The N3N and the Stearman were nearasdammit the same plane, differing mainly in where they were built. Shouldn't be any problem to get your docs for the N3N and do minor bashing on the Stearman.
"Yellow Peril" N3N from NAF,
. And Boeing's Stearman for the USAAF.
Bill.
PS: For those of you who don't know, "Flicka" is Swedish for young lady, or girl. wr.
Originally posted by flicka5
Always wanted to build a large model of the Navy "Yellow Peril" N3N...
Always wanted to build a large model of the Navy "Yellow Peril" N3N...
"Yellow Peril" N3N from NAF,
. And Boeing's Stearman for the USAAF.
Bill.
PS: For those of you who don't know, "Flicka" is Swedish for young lady, or girl. wr.
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Stearman
Already have a yellow Stearman and not good at bashing having attended a lot of bashes on the path to my old life. Too much difference as far as I am concerned. Flicka is the name of our calico kat! She is one of them other kind as far as sex.
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Navy N3N
flicka5
Sorry, if you don't feel up to bashing or designing your own plane I can't offer any more help.
Have you tried google for "N3N,' "NAF," or "Naval Aircraft Factory?" Might get a hit there.
And give Flicka the cat a good rubbing for me. There's a tom cat here who lets me live with him, he wouldn't pay her any attention, if your inference about her is what I think it is.
Good luck in your seach.
Do I have to fly the "Yellow Peril?"
. Yes, son, your turn in the barrel.
Bill.
Sorry, if you don't feel up to bashing or designing your own plane I can't offer any more help.
Have you tried google for "N3N,' "NAF," or "Naval Aircraft Factory?" Might get a hit there.
And give Flicka the cat a good rubbing for me. There's a tom cat here who lets me live with him, he wouldn't pay her any attention, if your inference about her is what I think it is.
Good luck in your seach.
Do I have to fly the "Yellow Peril?"
. Yes, son, your turn in the barrel.
Bill.
03-15-2003, 10:20 AM
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Bill: thanks for your input as I am all designed out. Note: have been building this 1/4 WACO S3HD from scratch without adequate plans and looking for something easier and faster this year. Why do you suppose that the N3N is rarely modeled, for lack of plans? I remember (?) that Sterling offered a small kit of it many many years ago. 
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Weaver Aircraft Co and Wedell-Williams
flicka4.99999:
That particular WeaverBird always reminded me of Jimmy Wedell, looked like he copied the afterbody and empennage when he designed the Wedell-Williams race planes.
I suppose it's rare beause there is so little difference between the N3N and the PT-13 and PT-17 Stearmans. The Navy versions were the NS and N2S. The PT-13 had a Lycoming R-680 engine, the PT-17 had a Continental R-670, and the N3N had an engine built by the Naval Aircraft Factory, the NAF R-760. On the PT-13/17 therre were some built with a Jacobs engine. I don't know any serial numbers, but I suppose they used the Jakes when there were supply problems with the L and C engines.
Just as a historical note: The N3N was the last bi-plane of any type in service with the US military, saw its final use in 1961.
Another possibility is production numbers. PT-13/17 had almost 8600 built, there were only 996 N3N aircraft built.
Kits? Seems to me the Monogram "Speedeebilt" (Spelling?) was labeled "N3N Stearman." Only been 50 years, I could be wrong.
So even if I've not been any real help, I'll give you all the moral support you can use.
Round engine and two wings,
. Listen, how my heart sings!
Bill.
Originally posted by flicka5
...Note: have been building this 1/4 WACO S3HD from scratch ...Why do you suppose that the N3N is rarely modeled, for lack of plans? I remember (?) that Sterling offered a small kit of it many many years ago.
...Note: have been building this 1/4 WACO S3HD from scratch ...Why do you suppose that the N3N is rarely modeled, for lack of plans? I remember (?) that Sterling offered a small kit of it many many years ago.
I suppose it's rare beause there is so little difference between the N3N and the PT-13 and PT-17 Stearmans. The Navy versions were the NS and N2S. The PT-13 had a Lycoming R-680 engine, the PT-17 had a Continental R-670, and the N3N had an engine built by the Naval Aircraft Factory, the NAF R-760. On the PT-13/17 therre were some built with a Jacobs engine. I don't know any serial numbers, but I suppose they used the Jakes when there were supply problems with the L and C engines.
Just as a historical note: The N3N was the last bi-plane of any type in service with the US military, saw its final use in 1961.
Another possibility is production numbers. PT-13/17 had almost 8600 built, there were only 996 N3N aircraft built.
Kits? Seems to me the Monogram "Speedeebilt" (Spelling?) was labeled "N3N Stearman." Only been 50 years, I could be wrong.
So even if I've not been any real help, I'll give you all the moral support you can use.
Round engine and two wings,
. Listen, how my heart sings!
Bill.
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RE: Navy N3N
Bill:
Why do you keep repeating that the N3N and the N2S are essentially the same plane?
I recommend that YOU do a google search on "N3N" and "Naval Aircraft Factory". The N3N is an aluminum plane, while the Stearman had wood wings and wood fuselage bulkheads. The landing gear is completely different. The vertical stab and rudder is different. The N3N has 4 ailerons, the N2S has two ailerons, etc. etc.
p.s. my father serviced N3Ns at NAS Glenview during WWII
David
Why do you keep repeating that the N3N and the N2S are essentially the same plane?
I recommend that YOU do a google search on "N3N" and "Naval Aircraft Factory". The N3N is an aluminum plane, while the Stearman had wood wings and wood fuselage bulkheads. The landing gear is completely different. The vertical stab and rudder is different. The N3N has 4 ailerons, the N2S has two ailerons, etc. etc.
p.s. my father serviced N3Ns at NAS Glenview during WWII
David
02-28-2006, 10:18 PM
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Bill:
Why do you keep repeating that the N3N and the N2S are essentially the same plane?
I recommend that YOU do a google search on "N3N" and "Naval Aircraft Factory". The N3N is an aluminum plane, while the Stearman had wood wings and wood fuselage bulkheads. The landing gear is completely different. The vertical stab and rudder is different. The N3N has 4 ailerons, the N2S has two ailerons, etc. etc.
p.s. my father serviced N3Ns at NAS Glenview during WWII
David
Bill:
Why do you keep repeating that the N3N and the N2S are essentially the same plane?
I recommend that YOU do a google search on "N3N" and "Naval Aircraft Factory". The N3N is an aluminum plane, while the Stearman had wood wings and wood fuselage bulkheads. The landing gear is completely different. The vertical stab and rudder is different. The N3N has 4 ailerons, the N2S has two ailerons, etc. etc.
p.s. my father serviced N3Ns at NAS Glenview during WWII
David
Now where can I find a large model plan for the N3N?
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I want to build one as well for reasons of family history. The Kalamazoo Air Zoo also has one. I plan to go down and photograph it soon.
I'm not much of a designer. I was going to copy the structural components of another biplane and do my own outlines.
David
I'm not much of a designer. I was going to copy the structural components of another biplane and do my own outlines.
David
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I want to build one as well for reasons of family history. The Kalamazoo Air Zoo also has one. I plan to go down and photograph it soon.
I'm not much of a designer. I was going to copy the structural components of another biplane and do my own outlines.
David
I want to build one as well for reasons of family history. The Kalamazoo Air Zoo also has one. I plan to go down and photograph it soon.
I'm not much of a designer. I was going to copy the structural components of another biplane and do my own outlines.
David
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Hi, all
with good photos or a three-view, we can easily fix up a plan, say the Ziroli or Sterling Stearman (I have a Sterling).
hope this helps.
Hi, all
with good photos or a three-view, we can easily fix up a plan, say the Ziroli or Sterling Stearman (I have a Sterling).
hope this helps.
Cheers
PS: had to put our Flicka cat down after 17 years of a good life and a recent stay in Florida. Old age gets to us all whether human or feline.
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the N3N family of aircraft are essentially an all metal/cloth version of the wood/cloth Stearman 70 (NS-1) and the later Boeing/Stearman 73 (PT-13) and 75 (N2S-series), if my references are correct.
What I had meant was, that with a good, trustworthy 3-view, an overhead projector, and a flat wall.....any plan's outlines can be altered to match. Starting with a Stearman.....I imagine that there is not a lot of difference.
This thread got me thinking about this, cause I've wanted something to fly at the lake!
been out fising on the web....found lots of structure picts....but no three-view yet. Got an instructors manual off of eBay...this project can fly if the three-view shows.......HELP
....maybe the Canadian version......it's got a cowl....to hide the G-23 in.
What I had meant was, that with a good, trustworthy 3-view, an overhead projector, and a flat wall.....any plan's outlines can be altered to match. Starting with a Stearman.....I imagine that there is not a lot of difference.
This thread got me thinking about this, cause I've wanted something to fly at the lake!
been out fising on the web....found lots of structure picts....but no three-view yet. Got an instructors manual off of eBay...this project can fly if the three-view shows.......HELP
....maybe the Canadian version......it's got a cowl....to hide the G-23 in.
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the N3N family of aircraft are essentially an all metal/cloth version of the wood/cloth Stearman 70 (NS-1) and the later Boeing/Stearman 73 (PT-13) and 75 (N2S-series), if my references are correct.
What I had meant was, that with a good, trustworthy 3-view, an overhead projector, and a flat wall.....any plan's outlines can be altered to match. Starting with a Stearman.....I imagine that there is not a lot of difference.
This thread got me thinking about this, cause I've wanted something to fly at the lake!
been out fising on the web....found lots of structure picts....but no three-view yet. Got an instructors manual off of eBay...this project can fly if the three-view shows.......HELP
....maybe the Canadian version......it's got a cowl....to hide the G-23 in.
the N3N family of aircraft are essentially an all metal/cloth version of the wood/cloth Stearman 70 (NS-1) and the later Boeing/Stearman 73 (PT-13) and 75 (N2S-series), if my references are correct.
What I had meant was, that with a good, trustworthy 3-view, an overhead projector, and a flat wall.....any plan's outlines can be altered to match. Starting with a Stearman.....I imagine that there is not a lot of difference.
This thread got me thinking about this, cause I've wanted something to fly at the lake!
been out fising on the web....found lots of structure picts....but no three-view yet. Got an instructors manual off of eBay...this project can fly if the three-view shows.......HELP
....maybe the Canadian version......it's got a cowl....to hide the G-23 in.
Cheers
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OK, so I don't have to go to the Canadian version, but most potos of Navy N3N's don't have the cowl.....maintainance guys musta lost 'em really early on.
My impressions from photos is that the N3N is shorter, has higher tail, bigger tail surfaces.....not true by specs.
Specs:
N3N: span 34'0", lenght 25'6", height 10'10", 305 sq. ft. area.
N2S: span 32'2", lenght 25'1/2", height 9'2", 297 sq. ft. area.
My impressions from photos is that the N3N is shorter, has higher tail, bigger tail surfaces.....not true by specs.
Specs:
N3N: span 34'0", lenght 25'6", height 10'10", 305 sq. ft. area.
N2S: span 32'2", lenght 25'1/2", height 9'2", 297 sq. ft. area.
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Having any progess on that WACo 'one-of' ??? it's a cool plane, too.
Having any progess on that WACo 'one-of' ??? it's a cool plane, too.
Cheers
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That doesn't look like a fun fillet on the bottom wing joint. Sorry to hear about flicka the cat 
The NAF N3N-3 project looks to be underway!!!!!!
Got the tech manual coming from eBay,
Got the Cook plan coming from Alabama,
Got picts coming from tons of places,
Got assembly diagrams coming from fliir....thanx
Got Sterling Stearman plans in the attic, could use a copy of the flair or ziroli stearman, if anyone has one to share????
Who else wants in on this?
and more importantly, I got my 1/4 Champ off of the building board (whooo hooo), and now I have space again.
Baloonist's rule #1: Keep Fat Side Up!
The NAF N3N-3 project looks to be underway!!!!!!
Got the tech manual coming from eBay,
Got the Cook plan coming from Alabama,
Got picts coming from tons of places,
Got assembly diagrams coming from fliir....thanx
Got Sterling Stearman plans in the attic, could use a copy of the flair or ziroli stearman, if anyone has one to share????
Who else wants in on this?
and more importantly, I got my 1/4 Champ off of the building board (whooo hooo), and now I have space again.
Baloonist's rule #1: Keep Fat Side Up!
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That doesn't look like a fun fillet on the bottom wing joint.
That doesn't look like a fun fillet on the bottom wing joint.
What is the Cook plan for the N3N?
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RE: Navy N3N
the 39" one above.....see the fine print in the corner.....drawn by bob coon..........oops
would it be like the Hall bulldog or PZP 11 wing/fuse join? (if you're having trouble w/structure)
would it be like the Hall bulldog or PZP 11 wing/fuse join? (if you're having trouble w/structure)
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N3N -3 'ers..........What size planes are we thinking?
When I work up the plans....I'd like to helpful to you guys too.
I was thinking big....1/4 scale -- 8'6" or 1/5 scale -- 6'8".
any other thoughts to size?
will
When I work up the plans....I'd like to helpful to you guys too.
I was thinking big....1/4 scale -- 8'6" or 1/5 scale -- 6'8".
any other thoughts to size?
will
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Got one vote for 1/5 scale plans for the N3N-3.
Any others?
Any more photos out there.....could ya send 'em to me, or post them here??? thanx in advance. will
(When the plans become real, we should prolly move this thread to RC Scale!)
Rivet counting:::
h yea, the photo above with the cowl ring is an N3N-1, the N3N-3's never had 'em, and I still bet the N3N-1's lost them at the first maintainance visit.[8D]
Any others?
Any more photos out there.....could ya send 'em to me, or post them here??? thanx in advance. will
(When the plans become real, we should prolly move this thread to RC Scale!)
Rivet counting:::
h yea, the photo above with the cowl ring is an N3N-1, the N3N-3's never had 'em, and I still bet the N3N-1's lost them at the first maintainance visit.[8D]
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Navy N3N-3 Yellow Peril Biplane trainer people:
I see that a '?bookstore' in canada has CD copies of tech manuals (poor reproduction by their own admission) for sale on eBay.
Anyone know about these, or have copies already???? Are these worth aquire-ing for the project?
thanx, will.
The NAF N3N -3 project looks to be underway!!!!!!
Got the tech manual coming from eBay, (here, but is just training manual [] )
Got the Cook plan coming from Alabama, (here!!!)
Got picts coming from tons of places, (some here, thanx!!!!!)
Got assembly diagrams coming from fliir....thanx again!!
Got Sterling Stearman plans in the attic, could use a copy of the flair or ziroli stearman, if anyone has one to share????
update:........got a set of Ziroli plans, and they're here!
will being working on this soon.....anymore help out there?
I see that a '?bookstore' in canada has CD copies of tech manuals (poor reproduction by their own admission) for sale on eBay.
Anyone know about these, or have copies already???? Are these worth aquire-ing for the project?
thanx, will.
The NAF N3N -3 project looks to be underway!!!!!!
Got the tech manual coming from eBay, (here, but is just training manual [
] )Got the Cook plan coming from Alabama, (here!!!)
Got picts coming from tons of places, (some here, thanx!!!!!)
Got assembly diagrams coming from fliir....thanx again!!
Got Sterling Stearman plans in the attic, could use a copy of the flair or ziroli stearman, if anyone has one to share????
update:........got a set of Ziroli plans, and they're here!
will being working on this soon.....anymore help out there?