Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Has anyone got any opinions, both good and bad, on using a well broken in 3.2 Brison on a Comp-arf 2.3 Extra.

I'm seriously considering this plane and my funds are somewhat limited due to holiday stuff

The setup I'm thinking about is:

NOTE: I'm not planning on all out 3D and I know the manual shows and recommends the DA50 on a canister

Brison 3.2
Slimline Pitts
Hitech 5945's all around
SWB Arms all around
2 Fromeco 2400's (one for the engine, one for the reciever)
The radio will be the new Spektrum DX7

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Well 2 comments really...

That's a pretty expensive plane to have it way under powered. I have seen videos of this thing fly with a DA 50 on pipes and was less than impressed. Sure it flys.. but the DA just isn't that powerful of an engine that it deserves to be an option for this plane. My friend flys one with a 3w70 and thats a pretty decent combo as far as power.

If you put that engine there you should change your statement to "NOTE: I'm not planning ANY 3D and I know the manual shows and recommends the DA50 on a canister :D

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

I have one of these engines and love it but I think the 2.3 might be a little too much plane for it. I know it's kind of a bad situation to be in but if you're going to buy a high quality plane like this, you probably don't want it to fall short of its potential due to power issues. Fortunately there are inexpensive engines that would fly that airplane well, and there are good (true) 50cc planes out there that would work well with the Brison. Good luck with your decision.

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I bought this plane with a 3W50i on cans earlier this year. I realized that this isn't really a 50cc plane. It flies very well, but the power is far from enough for 3D.
I just installed a 3W75i. Haven't flown it yet, but I expect the power to be very good with this combo. It will be a couple hundred grams heavier with 50% more power.

You will be disappointed if you're buing this plane for a Brison 3.2.


Lars

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

If I had a Brison 3.2, & I do (two of them), I would buy the Ultra RC 87" Yak, Or wait a few days & look at the new offerings from Extreme Flight.

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

I tried with a ZDZ50 first. Performance was marginal. Changed out with a 3W75iUS. Now it flies about the same as my 2.6 with a 3W106 - ballistic!. Don't under power this plane.

Safe Flying!

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Thanks guys, I see the pattern here. I'll sell the Brison and get a 3W75 for it. No big deal. I thought it sounded a little off when I read what was recommended

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

I have built and flown several of these 2.3m Extras... a Blue House, JR Scheme, 2 White Reds, Prototype's and more I cant remember...
The plane flys very good, but just like the others have mentioned it can handle more power and you deserve it! I have done some pretty good 3D with the DA50 and Canister "which only adds weight" Torque Roll's & Lots of Hovers, rolling Harriers, blenders, Waterfalls, basicaly everything I could throw at it... and the best way to describe it is like the 3.3m Yak with DA 150, not a rocket ship by a long shot but once you get use to the lack of instant power its all good and plenty of fun, just like the 2.6m. That little 50 is reving high most of the time which where it makes its power! is not small 90" wing...the 50 will fly it good, but not as good as the 80cc
One thing to add is its ability to perform very good IMAC maneuvers, it can snap balistic fast and precision, with not much effort, point rolls, slow rolls, hammers, 45's...It out flys most 90" planes...IMO

Sure there are plenty of choices out there but the 2.3m Extra is a solid choice! and the Brisson 3.2ci is a great motor!

Darcy Wingo

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Thanks Darcy, your opinion is always appreciated and congrats on becoming a rep for Comp-ARF

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Thanks man! Basicaly the only thing that changed is the official title and the ability to provide my own customer service from now on...

Let me know if you have any questions, as alwasy Im here to help!

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just thought I would share this with you guys..

Its my New 3D Fun/Fly ship and it flys on Rails!!! I love how this little plane flys, very true, little mixing to get perfect KE Passes...

C-Arf 2.3m Extra 300 DA50/MTW Can, JR 8611s on everything even Throttle, Fromeco L-Ions, JR R2000....

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Darcy,

Sold...I'll take one. No kidding. After Christmas I'll be calling

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

I'll tell you, after flying just about everything on the market, I am really impressed with it. The way it grooves is like a bigger plane, the power is not unlimited with a 50 but Im not worried because if I want I can slap in the EVO80 and have mega power.

I will try and get a vid out soon, just to show its qualities..

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Just a few quick questions.

Did you mount the 50 sideways like the manaul suggests? I do not see it sticking out the bottom...

Which prop are you turning?

How about a 1060 pipe. Do you think it would end up too tail heavy? I know I'd have to move a few things around.

I'm not looking for all out 3D not even a little 3D but I am after solid and like you said I can always stuff something bigger in later on

I also have a well broken in DA50 that I may stuff in it instead

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

The engine mounts sideways an dthe can is directly underneath.

The 1060 gives a little more performance but it requires a few mods of rhe rudder tray/ tank tray...

Im turning the Mejzlik 23-8 and it really works good, but for a little more spunk, you can use the 22-8 or 22-10..

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Hi all, recently I have purchased a 2.3 Extra 330L from C-ARF in the Futaba scheme and I need some help from you.
The set up is.

MVVS 58 engine
94 KS canister
1525-1 header kit
24x10 CF Engel Super Silence prop -turns at 6700 r.p.m.
5955 for rudder
5985 for elevators
5645 one for ea. ail.
2400 mA Ni-Cd for Rx
1400 mA Ni-Cd for ignition
Total weight 9.6 Kg. -21 pounds
C.G. 115 mm. at tip

The aircraft flights very well and I am very happy with it, BUT.... in the knife edge flight it goes to the bottom to much and very quickly and it needs a lot of up elevator. After 2 or 3 secs. I must release the elevator to get a straight flight. With nose wind this phenomenon is very smooth and predictable so I get decents knife edge flights, but with tail wind....... it is desperately.

Any help for the knife edge?

Sorry for my bad english

BR

Jesus

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Mix using a PMix Rudder to Up Elev. start with 10% and adjust up or down from there. Only work on one way at a time until you get it perfect. You might need also 1% opposite Rudder to aileron...

Let me know if this makes sence...

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

I'm running a 2.3 prototype scheme on a DA50 with MTW can and the lightest set up I can get. It 3d's well, it just doesn't have mega power. I give this airframe some real stick and It challenges my skills to make sure I stay 1 step ahead of it. I am playing with the Engel 24x8 prop. It sounds too much but it's working out great. The engine revs free, throws plenty of air over my control surfaces and sounds great.

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Sweet man!
I just got the plane back home and started playing with it a little, we initialy built it with 2x 8611's on the rudder but I think its way over kill so I changed that setup to 1 x 8611 and swb arm...

Who sells that engle prop?

This thing all together is much bigger than you think...not much smaller than the 2.6m...

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You guys are really peaking my interest....I'm liking what I am hearing big time :D

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Hi Darcy, the link to Engel is:

http://www.engelmt.de/en/index.php

I don't get used to mixers, I perform the knife edge by hand. BTW must I flick a switch to activate the mix ele.-rud.?

I will try with a C.G. position slightly more nose heavy, my Extra is balanced at the rear limit according to the instructions.

BR

Jesus

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

BR,

I like to leave my KE mixes on all the time. It comes in handy when landing and you on the rudder dealing with a crosswind. I know others that setup a switch and use it when needed. It's more a personal preference. I'd setup a switch, leave it on all the time and if you like it then reset it up to be on all the time

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Guys, the 2.3 is one of my loves in this hobby. I sold it a while back after over 500 flights. Darcy my good buddy saw some of my very first flights on it. The 2.3/DA50 1060 combo was very different to build and get to balance than the previous wood kits I had before and was so far above anything I had ever owned. It is always fun to see a new generation of pilots approach the 2.3 with scepticism here on RCU then to find out it is one baddasss machine. Good luck to everyone who is building and flying this plane, it is and was for me and perhaps will again be my favorite plane. THe 2.3 is not a real sleeper so to speak but many over look it. I'd like to do another as soon as I fly the wings off my 2.6, that is a very logical step up for those that are working on their 2.3s! ~)
Congratulations on your position with comp-arf Darcy! You are my hero dude for sticking with it, they should be very very grateful to have you!

Joe :D

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Thanks Joe!

Every Pro Pilot that I know of uses Mixes to trim there plane to fly perfectly without the need to flick a switch, if you do it this way your flying ability will get better.

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Joe,

I appreciate the words and you are not the first one that has said very similar things to me via PM. I have a few larger planes but I wanted to move into Comp-Arf and have something a bit smaller to replace some 30% planes and felt this was a decent first one and the goal is to have a 3m Extra 260 in the yellow Kiwi by the middle of next season ( I have a thing for yellow planes :D ). I got to fly a SuperXtra a short time ago and was totally blown away and at that point I decided by next season I would have at least one or more.

I actually just did the quote thing about 1/2 hour ago for purchase after Christmas so in a sense I pulled the plug on a 2.3 :D

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Hey Bubbagates congrats man! Its a solid choice IMO...

Let me know if you need any pics of the construction process...

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Darcy,

I'll take all the pics you care to share. I also got the quote, thanks, I did not expect it until tomorrow at the earliest. Please remember this will not happen until Jan 7th, my next payday. I'm thinking this is going to be a blast to do and fly, I'm looking forward to it...

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Hey Bill, no pressure dude, get it when you want...Im on top of the service...:)

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

2 beautiful things...

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

What you need is a blonde in there to set off all the blue

Dang plane is almost as big as the car, at least from that angle

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Bubbagates, YEA!!!!!! You are gonna love it! It flys much more like the SX than the 2.6 does. It just has it's own personality,. The SX is just an awesome masterpiece of technology.
Have you laid out all your radio gear and engine stuff? You can have this 2.3 built in no time! It was a very enjoyable build for me, the feel and look of comp-arf planes after having so many balsa planes was refreshing. It looks great all the time, no wrinkles or peeling. One thing about these planes though, they get hangar rash and need to be cared for IMO.

Joe

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Joe and Darcy,

Here's the current plan for it.

Da50 on the MTW header/can from Comp-Arf
JR8411's on the ailerons and Elevators with H9 Aluminum arms (already have a set of 4 servos/arms in great shape)
Hitech 5955 on the rudder (because I have one left NIB)
Fromeco 2400 for the ignition (have a new one with reg)
Fromeco 4800 for the receiver (have a new one with reg)
2 Fromeco Badger Switches
JR2000 receiver (came out of the Cap when I installed the DX7)
10X for Guidance
PT model 23x8
4 inch Pete's CF spinner

I may change the 8411's to 8611's if you guys think I'd be better off and I probably already know the answer to that one :D. The engine is going to come out of my well flow 27% GP Cap232 which will get the Brison I was first asking about. and then sold RTF. I'll probably use H9 pro-links since I have a ton of different sizes laying around and will use ball links on the servo arms and the Dubro safety links on the control horns

The DA is over 15 gallons and turns at 23x8 PT Model prop at just about 6800. I do have a PT model 22X8 for the engine as well so I can play there to see what I like the best

One question. For the DA, which standoffs. I have both the 2.5 and 3 inch laying around

I am definitely open for suggestions as I want to do this setup right. Come to think of it I do have a 3W 80xi-CS that is in a WH 33% Edge that I been thinking of replacing with a BME 110 Xtreme that I could stuff in the 2.3 later if I decide I want more:D

As Aerobob has in his signature "Isn't this a great way to spend money or what..."

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Mr. Bubba,
your choices look solid to me. THe 8411 is a great servo and if you have them already, I say use'm!~). The 80 would be insane but heavier. Either way you are in for a good time. I believe the standoff size is 3", DA is just a call away and I am positive Brian Hueffmijer knows the correct size.
If you stick the 80 in yours I might have to stuff a DA100 in one!!!:)

Joe

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

I agree bubbagates, these look like solid choices to me as well..you can always upgrade the servos if you feel you need to. but the 8411 is a good chioce for thsi bird.

My stand offs are the stock ones if that helps..

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Guy's

Nobody has mentioned it Yet but the ZDZ 60 or better yet the 80 the new Super Models would really power the 2.3 nice.

Other then the motor having to be very wet to start I have not had any issues with any of my ZDZs.

Ian

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

Ian, yes this is very true, the ZDZ60, the EVO80 "which is actualy a 75cc" the MVVS 58, the Zenoah G62, the 3W75, the Brison 3.2 and the 4.2...these are all good choices...

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

If you guys keep it up, I'm just gonna have to force Joe into sticking a DA100 into his because I'm gonna stuff the 80 in mine...J/K Joe:D

That is one heck of a range of engines that this thing can handle

RE: Comp-Arf 2.3 with a Brison 3.2
 

OK BUbba! That's it!! I'm coming out there!!! With the DA100 I was thinking of clipping the wings and fabricating new tail surfaces., Maybe Ralph can locate an 18x27 prop or double shovel for the front end!~). I think I want to make a new cowl too and fit some sort of retracts. Wakes up, just jokin! you will love this plane as much as PA in the spring, that is one of the most beautiful states I have had the honor of spending time in!

How about a build thread or just some photos?

hey comp-arf, how about a racer based on this plane for all us speed pattern junkies? Yak11 for Da100 or 250 radial?>? awwwwww shucks!

oxo

joe

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I can certainly do a build thread....I'm hoping Darcy can get me the pics he has...

Ah the heck with the puny 8411's/5955's. I'm gonna install 5 Sieko servos on 12 volts each cut out the rudder hinge line, move the elevators front like a Cap, so I can get 90 degree throws both ways, and do 5 foot diameter pin wheels at 2 clicks above idle

Then I'll install that prototype prop reverser I saw on the 80 so I can hover nose down and land/stop in the length of the plane. After that I'll install leading edge slats and vortex generators back from the leading edge and maybe even some stall fences so I can have the elevators drop perfectly straight down.

And NO, I am not going to wake up...I like this dream....;)

It actually looks like I'll be able to order this thing before Christmas.....:D

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Ok Dudes...I just got back from my maiden flight...Holly Cow guys this little ******* flys on rails!!! I got it trimed out and its just snaps on a dime...

Cant wait to make a video to show you how well it does, my buddy and I will have something this weekend!

Bubba I will post some pics just as soon as I can get my camera to work...note to self dont let the girls play with dads camera..