AMB

There is a rumor circulating in England that the US has passed a ban on 2 strk engines INCLUDING model aero engines effective in 2 yrs
I know all lawn equipment stuff in California being sold has to be 4 strk Is there really a diifference in a 2 strk glow or 4 strk in emissons?? Besides they run alcohol hence no sulfur and very low NOX emmissons, As soon the the saucer lands will check with the little green men martin

w8ye

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I'm sure this is eventually coming but havn't heard anything concrete as of yet

Enjoy,

Jim

gjeffers

i live in california and you can bet your boots that when it happens i wont be no rumor, well all know almost instantly, so hang in there

AMB

w8bye --Iam sure Saito and the other 4 stk makers would love it myabe started by one of the electric folks over there, Then again Enya does have a 4 strk diesel in the works, As I said will most likey based on ommissions I really do not see alcohol based fuels
a problem most likely the 2 strk weed eater may be gone martin

w8ye

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That's what I think and it will be in California first.

AMB

It must have been pretty strong across the pond Paul at Just Engines E mailed me about 3 hrs ago asking about it martin

AMB

I can see it now the 2 strk police at the field , glue fake valve covers on your heads

TLH101

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I have read somewhere, I believe here on RCU, that the AMA has worked with the EPA, or whatever agency to create exemptions for model engines.

piper_chuck

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I think it's going to look a little odd to see a bunch of guys walking around with valve covers glued to their heads.

B.L.E.

I doubt seriously that the 4-stroke model engines are significantly cleaner than their 2-stroke counterparts. A rich mixture guarrantees that there will be loads of not completely burned substances coming out of the exhaust.

cyclops2

All those 300 hp outboards --Trashed by Bush?---No Republicans in many states.

AMB

Piper Chuck just hum like a 4 stroke and use extra quiet mufflers on your 2 strks martin

AMB

Creating exemptions for them makes sense again most are burning alcohol as stated and I hope the exemptions goes thru for the giant scale guys for their gas burners. There should be an exemption for aircraft engines A lot of the Ultra Light guys use Rotax 2 strks
Yiu are not talking millions of weed eaters , chain saws, leaf blowers etc martin

LSP972

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Of course they aren't. That's not the point. The point is the Bambiites must do SOMETHING to make them feel good about themselves. They know they have no chance against the industrial polluters who are the real villains here. So they go after an easier target, knowing full well it won't make a bit of difference.

That makes them as bad, or worse, than the polluters, to my mind. There is nothing more dangerous than a determined zealot, because he has no sense of reason. His cause is everything. These morons, along with the equally blind PC advocates, are slowly but surely destroying the US; heck, the world.

But, on a practical note, even if model two stroke engines WERE "banned", let's see just how the EPA would enforce it. Besides, it would probably only apply to new manufacture; existing engines would probably be grandfathered in. Probably...[&o]

gjeffers

there is more greenhouse gas coming from the california state capitol than all the airports in the world[X(]

Jim Thomerson

It would probably be a good idea to check with the AMA rather than running rumors around (not that I will let that stop me[8D]). As I recall the AMA was involved with the EPA and it was determined that our use was so insignificant as to be of no consequence. Something to be said for being small and insignificant!

Anyway, at sometime in the forseeable future, it will be all electrics anyway.

Dr1Driver

What you Brits don't understand about the US is California doesn't matter to the rest of the country. In fact, if that San Andreas fault would do what it's s'posed to, and make the entire state an island, that would suit the rest of us just fine. Then, we could make it a separate country and declare war on it. <ducking>

Dr.1

seanychen

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If it happens, will running 2-strokes in 4-stroke mode be allowed, ya know, like slobby rich? That creates worse emission, but it's beside the point, as most of my 4-strokes emit more residues than 2-strokes.[X(]

How about Mazda RX8? Is a Wankel a 2-stroke or 4-stroke?

NM2K

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Wouldn't ya'll think that they would be targetting engines that utilize premixed fuel (gas and oil) instead of whether it is a two-stroke or a four-stroke?

I remember reading some time ago that there was already a provision for permitting glow engines to be exempt from this rule. Besides, it will only affect new equipment being sold for lawn utensils and such. I seriously doubt that they are going to target model engines in the legislation. Of course, if there are no utility two-strokes available for sale new, eventually this will affect the models too.

B.L.E.

It seems a lot more likely to me that, rather than banning 2-stroke engines, emission standards for off road power equipment will be raised to a point that most manufacturers will give up trying to meet them with 2-stroke engines.


































The people who fly the big gasoline powered planes are the ones who should be most concerned about this.

NM2K

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I agree. It seems to me that the large models have taken a dip in popularity recently. Does anyone else see it this way?

Motorboy

If the 2 stroke engines are outlawed in California, how many modelenginebuilder are making own 2 stroke engines in home workshop[sm=confused.gif][sm=confused.gif][sm=confused.gif]

Jens Eirik

doubledee

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California is in the process of phasing out 2-stroke cycle gasoline engines. As far as I know, there is no effort to get rid of 2-stroke cycle engines that run of other fuels (diesel, methanol, etc.)

Have a nce day

doubledee

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Berwyn Bill

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Pot... Kettle... Black.[sm=rolleyes.gif]

B.L.E.

I think all radio control flying has been on the wane lately with the possible exception of electric park flyers. One of my favorite local hobby shops closed it's doors a couple of months ago. If this trend keeps up, I'll probably have to mail order my hobby supplies.