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Old 03-03-2009 | 01:16 PM
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Default Super Tigre G.90 Problems

My ST G90 flies my TF Corsair pretty well. The issues are that I cannot get a low reliable idle and after reducing throttle back to idle, it takes a minute or more before the engine speed will actually be at idle. I've shot past the field a few times trying to land because the engine won't slow down. It has a bisson pitts on it. With the original muffler it won't do this (better transition and a much lower idle). I blocked one exhaust tube with some cotton wadding and it didn't seem to have much effect. Does anyone have a ST G90 running a pitts muffler with the original carb that runs pretty well? What did you do? I've tried adjusting the low and high ends, but no matter where they are set, It won't run correctly.
Old 03-03-2009 | 01:27 PM
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You may be over controlling the low speed mixture? Only move it in small increments and then go up to high speed and come back to see what you have

I used to think that the slow transition to idle was too rich in the idle
Old 03-03-2009 | 06:37 PM
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I fly G90s all the time - in fact this is my standard engine and has been for over 10 years. I have the G90 original carb on all mine and they run great with proper carb tuning. Most aftermarket mufflers have low back pressure - I'm not sure why they are made this way but I think it's because some prefer to run their engines differently from the way I run mine (they don't mind the midrange issue or they use tuned pipes etc).

I used to use the bisson pitts mufflers on my G90s and they fly fine with this muffler - but if you want to avoid a rich midrange you need to block off enough of the muffler outlet tubes so the combined area of the outlet tubes is the same as the outlet area of the original G90 muffler. this gives enough back pressure so you can set the carb to get good mixture control throughout the throttle range. i do this with all my G90s. when this is set properly you will not get a rich midrange - this may be what you are getting. if you don't have good back pressure you will have to open the high needle fairly high to get a good mixture at full throttle, and this gives you the rich midrange.

is this G90 broken in at least three tanks? most g90s (I have at least 6 of them now - used to have more) need to be pretty well broken in before they will hold a low idle. I consider a low idle about 2200 rpm or lower for a G90. But you need to set the high needle first before you try to set the idle. The high needle doesn't affect the idle but there is some interaction between the high needle and the idle needle in the midrange and this will keep changing until the ring is seated against the inside of the cylinder.

what prop are you using? i use an APC 14-6 on my 60 size warbirds (I fly mustangs) and this prop suits the g90 very well.

anyway- if you have the carb tuned well this engine will respond quickly to throttle changes both up and down. my G90s will idle for several minutes without loading up or dying once they are broken in and tuned right.

My G90s last for at least 6 years with everyday flying. some of them are over 10 years old - I think I have only worn out one of them, and this one would probably run as good as new if I bought new rings and bearings and rebuilt it.

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Old 03-04-2009 | 09:30 AM
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The engine should be well broken in as it has way more than 6 tanks run through it. I am running a 13 x 8 APC prop, but I will try the 14-6 to see. With the original muffler, it has a low idle, so I think the low end is set okay. I know about only turning the low end very slightly and when adjusting and this is how I do it. Midrange doesn't concern me much and at full throttle it is fine. The transition from idle to full is also okay. I have one of the two exhaust tubes blocked off now with an automotive upholstery fastener and I need to see what that does. I have a Magnum .91 RFS NIB that I was saving for another project, but I would rather stick with the Super Tigre.
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Hmm - is the fuel tank centerline even with or slightly below the carb inlet? My G90s idle down in 10 seconds or so even when diving/doing strafing runs.

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Old 03-04-2009 | 10:25 PM
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Default RE: Super Tigre G.90 Problems

Most often, when they won't idle down crisply, there's an air leak somewhere. Under carb, backplate, usual suspects.

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I never had one to do that but I have seen other people's Super Tigers be slow to idle down.
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Default RE: Super Tigre G.90 Problems

I've seen quirky servos drive people nuts with similar problems. I would check the throttle servo if it hasn't been checked before.


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Old 03-08-2009 | 12:07 PM
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Default RE: Super Tigre G.90 Problems

I had a similar problem with my Tower 75, and it was just that the prop was rather small for the engine...and it didn't slowed down when I pushed the stick back, the prop was not enought load, and the engine actually was screaming at mid throttle, was not enough load.
I suggest that you try a bigger prop.

Jorge

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