A matter of thrust
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RE: A matter of thrust
ORIGINAL: freakingfast
Lots of info, search: stalled axial centrifugal impeller
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The fan speed increases because it is not allowed to move air. So a small amount of air recirculates between the blades and around the edge of the fan. The fan increased the pressure on the outlet side and decreases the pressure on the inlet side, the fan blades are now operating in a partial vacuum, even if blocked on the outlet side, so there is less load. It has nothing to do with a stalled condition.
Ever covered the hose (inlet or outlet) on a vacuum cleaner? It speeds up, less load....the impeller blades are stalled.
stalled axial centrifugal impeller
http://www.comairrotron.com/axial_fan_stall.shtml
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But not a 10X10, I guarantee you the engine load is greater when the plane is at 60 mph than it is static.
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RE: A matter of thrust
An 18X10 isn't "square". You'll just have to believe in your own logic or try it for yourself. Try 9X10, 10X10, 11X11, 11X14(old stock) 16X16, I have.
Nuf said, I'm moving on.
Nuf said, I'm moving on.
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RE: A matter of thrust
I believe that it will do it fine, very far from being an acrobatic plane but great for the close pictures.
The following data is taken from the manufacturer manual:
Wingspan 64" (1625 mm)
Wing area: 1440 sq in (93 dm2)
Weight: 12.0 - 13.5 lbs ( 5440 - 6120 g) Mine weights 12 lbs. I have checked three times, the first time was 14.
Wing loading: 19.2 - 21.3 oz/sq ft (59 - 65 g/dm2)
Suggested engines: .61 - 1.20 cu in (10.0 - 19.5 cc) two stroke .91 - 1.20 cu in (15.0 19.5 cc) four stroke
I am using this 4 stroke Magnum 1.20 with a top flite prop 15 x 6 (9,150 rpm), I just ordered from Tower 3 Zinger props Pro series of the same size.
The following data is taken from the manufacturer manual:
Wingspan 64" (1625 mm)
Wing area: 1440 sq in (93 dm2)
Weight: 12.0 - 13.5 lbs ( 5440 - 6120 g) Mine weights 12 lbs. I have checked three times, the first time was 14.
Wing loading: 19.2 - 21.3 oz/sq ft (59 - 65 g/dm2)
Suggested engines: .61 - 1.20 cu in (10.0 - 19.5 cc) two stroke .91 - 1.20 cu in (15.0 19.5 cc) four stroke
I am using this 4 stroke Magnum 1.20 with a top flite prop 15 x 6 (9,150 rpm), I just ordered from Tower 3 Zinger props Pro series of the same size.
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RE: A matter of thrust
I'm sure it will too. Some words of advice:
Only fly If you feel good about it, don't force or hurry the day.
Take your time with your fist set-up & pre-flight, politely ask the yappers (distractions) to hold their thoughts till after you land.
Let us know how it goes.
Good Luck!
Only fly If you feel good about it, don't force or hurry the day.
Take your time with your fist set-up & pre-flight, politely ask the yappers (distractions) to hold their thoughts till after you land.
Let us know how it goes.
Good Luck!
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RE: A matter of thrust
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An 18X10 isn't ''square''. You'll just have to believe in your own logic or try it for yourself. Try 9X10, 10X10, 11X11, 11X14(old stock) 16X16, I have.
Nuf said, I'm moving on.
An 18X10 isn't ''square''. You'll just have to believe in your own logic or try it for yourself. Try 9X10, 10X10, 11X11, 11X14(old stock) 16X16, I have.
Nuf said, I'm moving on.
An 18X10 isn't "square". You'll just have to believe in your own logic or try it for yourself. Try 9X10, 10X10, 11X11, 11X14(old stock) 16X16, I have.
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RE: A matter of thrust
Many airfoils start the stall at about 15° angle of attack. At that value, and accounting for inflowing air, a square prop does not stall at 3/4 diameter and outward, where the prop does most work, and at rpm that have tipspeeds below mach 0.7.
The prop circle inside 3/4 diameter however may stall, and produce the typical stalled sound, depending on rpm. All in all, I think the stall in props is much talked about, but not an everydays occurrence in most applications. Hotliners and speed flight yes.
The prop circle inside 3/4 diameter however may stall, and produce the typical stalled sound, depending on rpm. All in all, I think the stall in props is much talked about, but not an everydays occurrence in most applications. Hotliners and speed flight yes.
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Because of incoming air I doubt the inner circle is stalled. Perhaps briefly when an engine is reved from idle to full power. The angle of a 9-12 prop at the tip is about 22 degrees, but it is the same angle of a 18-12 prop measured 4.5 inches from the center. So being over square is not the issue. More likely its the higher RPM of a speed engine, not at stall, but closer to stall. The sound is likely the tips being at or close to the speed of sound.
Because of incoming air I doubt the inner circle is stalled. Perhaps briefly when an engine is reved from idle to full power. The angle of a 9-12 prop at the tip is about 22 degrees, but it is the same angle of a 18-12 prop measured 4.5 inches from the center. So being over square is not the issue. More likely its the higher RPM of a speed engine, not at stall, but closer to stall. The sound is likely the tips being at or close to the speed of sound.
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RE: A matter of thrust
No Sport, The snoring of a stalled prop is very typical, and not at all like the sound of high tip speeds.
You are right in that the stalling is rpm depending, and that it does not occur over the whole blade length. I.e., an 8x8 prop is square at the tips, but oversquare at the inner diameters IF the prop has true pitch over the blade length. Lots of room here to play with prop design.
You are right in that the stalling is rpm depending, and that it does not occur over the whole blade length. I.e., an 8x8 prop is square at the tips, but oversquare at the inner diameters IF the prop has true pitch over the blade length. Lots of room here to play with prop design.
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RE: A matter of thrust
The hub area of props and rotor blades is a very inefficient area of an airfoil, and produces almost no lift. The hub area produces a lot of drag. Look at the twist built in most props in that area. Props and rotor blades rarely, if ever, stall all the way along the span. Stalls from high speeds in rotor blades start in an area spreading out from the hub, and inward from the tips. The center section is still producing some lift.