Here's a link for a Super Tigre project I stumbled onto. Something I haven't seen before at least.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Twin-Super-Tigre...item1c0fb80abc

Take care, Cliff

Hi Cliff,

Still have your Blue Head?

I saw a giant scale plane with this exact setup way back in the early 80's. The poor guy never got a complete flight in because one of the engines would die during the flight. It was almost impossible to set the thing up so that the engines ran the same. One would run a little leaner and die or a little richer and cause the other engine to lean out by lugging it down. An absolute mechanical nightmare. Thats why you didn't see them around very long. The one in the picture looks like it might be the Dubro version, although there were several variations on the same theme. A friend of mine has the single engine belt drive, new never ran. Probably saved him several years of frustration! Belt life was very short, two stroke single cylinder engines have a power stroke that really puts a lot of strain on individual belt teeth. Same problem with gear drives. Neither was ever very successful in model engines.

Larry

I have no doubt the engine for sale would be an engineering/operating challenge.

To answer W8YE, yes I still have the Blue Head although the head hasn't been blue for a long time. It has kept my interest for the fact

that I can perpetually rebuild it and the look of the huge port bulging on the side. It is currently flying my El Camino on skiis while

Frank Bowman builds a ring for my Clarence Lee K&B. I can't remember who designed the plane. I think it is from the 60's. It has

been an all time favorite of mine.

Take care, Cliff

I remember a French guy Paysant Le Roux who kept winning the F3a comps had a set up with twin Super Tigres. He was the first person I saw do a prolonged prop hang with a display model powered by a geared twin. From memory and it is a LONG time ago I think it was a geared set up not a belt. Seemed reliable though.

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What's the story on that beast???????????

Keep your fingers away from that one....

The gear job was just another Bay AD that was down below the original post

I bet that sounds like a Merlin as far a gear noise. Are the engines timed to each other? I imagine timing the two would make them tune and balance better. Are they .60's. Very cool.

Glad to see you still have some of those.

The plane in the picture looks like a standard Kaos

Yup that has tickled the neurones. His set up looked like that. Though I remember the engines as STs not Webras, still it was a long time ago. I remember being inspired by what that guy could make a model do. I also saw the benefit of really light models with 1.5 to 1 or better power to weight ratios. So another 3D hooligan was born.

Take the same set-up...but use spark ignition & gas....should be fun! Capt,n

I see he has one carb turned around to put both needles on the top.

The throttle push rod has to work opposite on one engine from the other. Two servos? or a bell crank?

Hi All,
These remind me of the Flat twin, inline twin, flat four and flat six that ROSSI made back in the 80's

Cheers

That was ROSS not ROSSI, if I remember correctly.

I know what you mean.

I thought the engine was part of W8YE's collection.

The El Camino does look a lot like a Kaos. I bought the kit from a consignment at a hobby shop. The box was yellowed and looked antique. The wing is a little bigger at 59 inches. The construction method of stringing the ribs on two 5/16" rods was referenced to an article in a '60's model magazine. The fuse was mostly a huge hardwood engine mount and a sheet of balsa that was like 5/8" X 4" that you basically carved to the shape of an airplane. They called it "Box Lock" construction. I'll have to see if I can find the Box lid. I used to save them. I bought another kit from the same guy called a Merlin that looked very similar also.

Take care, Cliff

No they were ROSSI, they were black and modeled of the 60 side exhaust cyl. I had a 120 twin inline years ago. Don't even see them much on that BAY site.

Cheers

Back in the day before Quadra came out and no gasoline engines for giant scale were available, all sorts of geared and belt reduction systems for .60 size glow engines were tried.

In my collection I have three different systems, all belt drive. Made by Dubro, Graupner, and another company who made full size Volkswagen engine aircraft conversions.

Just thought I would ask if you had plans for the El Camino. My Dad said it was one of his favorite planes and he want to build another one. He has a kit that the wood is in bad shape. He only has the plans for the wings. I am looking for a kit for him or a plane or the plans.

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Hey Mike, I thought I was going to have to accept the fact that I was full of it as to the plane in my picture. I found new inspiration from your post and managed to fine my plans however.

It was drawn by Ed Baranowski and the magazine referred to for the wing building method is the August 1967 issue of R C Modeler. It is shown in the plans with a canopy but I left it off. I built mine from a kit and it is not like any other kit I have ever built. I am not sure if it has enough info. to scratch build a plane, at least not unless you're quite experienced. You must have different plans or page one of these? If you only have the same page one I have you know there are no rib patterns but there is a root rib in the side view and I could trace a tip outline from my plane. Keep in mind that it does not have a constant chord but tapers quite a bit. There is no top view at all but the frame of the plane is a single sheet of 1/2'' x 4" balsa using the formers and overall length you could come up with a top view I suppose.

If you know of a better way to get the plans to you let me know. As far as I know the only thing I could do is get them copied and mail them to you and that can get pricey. I will gladly do whatever you like. my e-mail is [email protected]

Take care, Cliff

Ran into a discussion about the plane in another forum. It has some pictures of the box and plans.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_39...tm.htm#9557887