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Enough ranting about this foreign stuff...
Let's talk about real AMERICAN IRON!! There's nothing like the smell of Hot Mehanite and Castor in the morning.... .15BB, .25BB, .40BB and a slew of bushing .25's .29's and .36s.....all IRON PISTON. DUKE DUKE DUKE!!!!!!! |
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An old .15 with a baffle in the exhaust, a modern .15, a .25, two .46s, four .50s, three .60s and three .74s. The .15, 2 of the .50s, 2 of the .60s and 1 of the .74s are converted to Diesel.
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I only have two, the .15 schneurle and the .25BB.
Sent the .15 to Fox for a carb problem, sent back the next week with a new carb! Terrific people there! Iron ghaH QaQ vaD lIj pistons Klingon for " Iron is good for pistons" There is no Klingon word for pistons and iron. |
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I would love to chime in, but the only Fox I've owned was the 74 Eagle. It was a powerhouse, but running it reliably was a different story...
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Well have just run Fox eagle IV 74 and 60 ring. But also have a contender on the table destined for a Fox 46 ABC.
Love my Foxes! Recently ordered a part from Fox and they sent a sales brochure. Back cover was a Fox Stunt 60. It looked a lot like an Eagle I. It was promised to be released soon and more to follow. Any one with a heads up on what this new stuff could be? |
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1 Deluxe .40, 3 BB Schneurle (1 used) (2 new), 1 Eagle .60. & 1 Eagle .74. BTW, those 2 new ones don't have mufflers, and I'd like to get MACs mufflers for 'em, but there's no direct application. Anyone know if I can modify pipes for something else to work?
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So far only have one YUP a new fox 50 ringed they made one up took about a month, worth the wait , It has a davis diesel head. Just
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I have two 1962 era Fox .15X control line engines and two seventies era Fox Eagle .60s (R/C). There may be more, but I'd have to look in the engine closet, which is unreachable at the moment. Yes, the wife and I are packrats. <G>
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I have a 20 year old bushed .25 which I havent managed to get running, It was given to me buy a guy at work. I think it would run If it had a new carb, Just don't know if its worth it really(what would you guys say?)
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They do not need new carbs, if not broken.
Some of Duke's carbs required a special set up in order to run properly. Once figured out, they worked really well. Ed Cregger |
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Rupert, it doesn't need a new carb, the .25 is a set and forget engine once the initial set is achieved.
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I think the carb is actually damaged, I will get it out and post some pics, If you guys could help out that would be cool. It has a baffle on the exhaust if that helps identify it.
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Damage is another matter entirely.
It sounds like the Fox .25 R/C (assuming it is R/C) that I bought for the wife's Falcon 56 in 1972. It had an unusual low speed set up in that you had to rotate the fuel inlet nipple in order to adjust the low end. But it worked just fine. Ed Cregger |
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Thats the one. It will run of its prime but dies quickley.
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If you're running off the prime then dying...either the needles are closed down, or something's clogged.
Open those needles a bit and run some fuel through the carb to flush it out. If it had been sitting a long time, some oil likely congealed in there and gummed things up a bit. You can download a reprint of the original instruction manual for that motor from www.flitelinesolutions.com Great site. 'Race |
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"If you're running off the prime then dying...either the needles are closed down, or something's clogged. " Thats what I suspected but couldn't get it right. Is the baffle necassery if you use an exhaust the linkage that connects the throttle to the baffle was missing, i had to make one and it wasn't quiet right. I would be keen to use this engine on a spad or something but it would definitly need a muffler.
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The butterfly valve on the exhaust was used as a means of retaining heat at idle so the motor would run better. It was a pretty common item on r/c motors in the days before people started complaining about noise, and we all had to go out and pop for a muffler.
(Actually...they complained before then, but nobody cared) We'd need to see a pic of your motor to tell you what muffler you need. If it's a 70's vintage motor...they used a Fox "B" muffler, and those occasionally turn up on the internet auction sites. Later versions of this motor used a muffler similar to that of today. Worse comes to worse...there's always the strap-on mufflers. (cringe) 'Race |
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I will make one if I can get it to run. It has two threaded holes in the middle one above and the other below the port. So you are saying the baffle can be removed if I make a muffler?
Otherwise what sort of performance could I expect(the plane the engine was meant for never flew, apparantly the kit radio was never assembled:eek: so I guess it hasn't run much), will it be as powerful as my new tt25gp? Here's the carb (from the link you posted) |
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I would like to see them bring back the needle bearing crank/con rod for lower oil content fuel that thry used in the 60 and 74.
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I guess I'll join this club too.
Have two 74's, run like a dream, never a deadstick. They do have Charles Thacker's modified head button which works great. Couple old big frame 40's, couple small frame 40's, a 45 or two, a matched pair of brand new 50's. I never owned a Fox that did not need a little of fiddling to get acquainted, then thay ran great. Most newer flyers can not handle a Fox since they require a proper break for the type of engine metalurgy they have (ABC or Lapped Iron or the ringed engines), certainly not a a box to flight engine. I like them, light and powerful. |
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Let's see...mine are mostly c/l engines.
I have a sand cast .29 w/ 4 head bolts...late 40's vintage maybe? 3, .35 stunt 2, .29's (newer ones ) and R/C I have a .15 sch. and old .25 Some of my most cherished memories are flyin' controlliners with my nephew when we were teens... Most of it was w/ Fox power |
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I need help from all you Fox guru's. I have (what I belive) is an older Fox .45. There are no markings on casing and it did not come with a muffler. I purchased a muffer for a Fox 45 but the mounting holes do not line up. The bolt spacing on the motor is 15/16" and the bolt pattern for the muffler is 1 3/16". Fox's website has no drawings or dimensions for their products. Anyone know which muffler I need (OEM or Aftermarket)???
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i just got home from the field and had to change out my fox eagle 3 to a fox eagle 74. i burned up the eagle 3 due to a wrong size pipe i think. anyways,,,the eagle 74 i bought used with a pipe runs so good,,its unreal,,,,,,,,
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if there was a fox club,,i know i would be in it. i am a big fox engine fan,,,,i know the problems and like to deal with them. i am sure you have all heard of flitelinesolutions.com it is a very good place to get info on fox engines. i tried to run a fox quickee 500 on a plane today but i have figured out what my problem is,,,fuel tank too low. dammitman!!!!,,,maybe a pump will fix that,,,,gonna see tomorrow.
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What kind of problems are you having with the Quickee motor that makes you think the tank is too low? Best solution is "raise the tank". These motors don't need pumps to run. 'Race |
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I have regained my respect for the Fox engine name in the last year or so. The little Fox .15 is a powerhouse and I use it week end, week out flying combat, which is the toughest form of r/c flying there is on an engine with all the dirt naps. Takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'. Believe it or not, I am running it on 25% nitro with lots of castor oil in the mix. Runs hot as a firecracker but cranks out the power nevertheless:D
I have been bench running an ABC .46 with an APC 12 3/4" X 3.5 degree pitch fun fly prop, and within only 18 oz. of fuel, I am getting a steady 12.4K out of the engine. It goes through that six oz. tank in a hurry though, whewww! The fact that Fox now has CNC machines along with their hand set up machines says to me they are trying to compete with the imports. I just wish they made a straight muffler, not a tilt up or down!!![X(] |
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That little .15BB is a sweetheart of a motor isn't it? Kinda blocky looking, but rugged as the day is long and they run great.
Another completely ignored little jewel of a motor is the .25BB. I give Fox an "A" on that one as well.... Viva la DUKE! 'race |
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Over the years, I've collected a lot of engines. Some I bought, others were given to me. Bought an old Fox baffle 15rc that the owner said wouldn't run. Looked it over, told him I could tell him how to have the engine running in about 20 minutes. He said several "Experts" had tried and told him the engine was just a piece of junk. I gave him the $2.00 he was asking, pulled the head and backplate, removed the piston, turned it 180 degrees, and put things back together with the baffle on the bypass side of the engine, like it should have been in the first place. Turned an 8-4 at about 13900 on 10% fuel. He was shocked when I told him all I had to do.
In the AF, had another sgt trade me an OS 30 RC and $5.00 for another similar Fox baffle 15RC. He put it on a Graupner Bergfalke glider. Flew it at half throttle. He talked how he got a better engine in the trade. Anyway, out of the over 170 engines I have (including several CO2s and about 20 Jetex) 62 are Foxes, ranging from a new-in-box 049 up to an older .78 R/C. Got my first CL Fox 35 about 1957, stopped painting my props red, and started getting in a lot more flying. Most of my planes today, CL, Radio, or FF use Fox |
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This is a timely post, I was given a Fox 60 last week that no one has got to run long enough to break it in. Here is where I'm at: using 5 percent with Castro: did the crank case nod: did the throttle barrel mod but just a little may need to file more: have not touched the head.
I've put three or four tanks through it now, it starts good, but when I get the top end set it too lean in the middle, get the middle right its too rich on the top. Do all the heads need the mod? Or do I need to just push more fuel through it first? Thanks Not a Fox member yet! |
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ORIGINAL: RaceCity What kind of problems are you having with the Quickee motor that makes you think the tank is too low? Best solution is "raise the tank". These motors don't need pumps to run. 'Race |
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which eagle 60 do you have? also, is that a airbleed carb (newer type) or a 2 needle older type?
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Its the newer airbleed carb. And I think it's one of the latest eagle 4's (one piece crankcase) with Fox on the backplate.
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DP, are you running a 12x8 on it, it should turn a Graupner 12x8 at precisely 11,000 rpm. What did you do to the carb, I have several of those carbs and they needed no mods.
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Dammitman...
Pressure taps USUALLY work best when they're place at the widest point of the muffler. Just like 99% of the mufflers on the market...including Foxes. Header tapping might work....might not. Why mess with it? Put the tap where it belongs and eliminate that question. As for a larger pressure nipple? Ehhhhh....we're not dealing with much volume here, so I tend to think that a larger ID fitting would be little if any help. It wouldn't hurt to check to make sure your pressure fitting is unobstructed. Run a pin through it to make sure it's clear. Where the needle setting is concerned? Make sure you're not pulling air bubbles/foam in the line. If you are....all bets are off, and no amount of diddling will fix it until you address the real issue. Be sure the tank is well padded, as close to the carb as is possible (this is one time where shorter IS better). Fresh fuel lines inside and outside the tank. If you've got a cheap chinese tank, throw it away and use a good tank. Hayes, GP, Tettra, Jett. Notice I didn't say Sullivan or DuBro. Make sure you're not running too much prop. You've got to let the Q-500 wind up, and not load it down like a rented mule with a big club of a prop. Keep us posted!! 'Race |
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OK,,,i have no air bubbles at all. here is the setup. its a goldberg skylark arf with the stock gas tank. its made to fit perfect but it looks to me as if it might be a bit low for this motor. i also didnt use the little bitty fuel line in it and used bigger pickup line for the tank clunk. i have a macs header and pipe. i checked the exhaust pressure nipple and its cleaned out,,,no clog. i have had no trouble with putting the pressure nipple on the header in other engines so i just did it on this one as well. i need to ask, how does one put pics on this website? again, all help and suggestions are greatly appreciated,,,,,,,,,
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Dammitman...
I love the Skylark. Classic model, and I only regret the GB doesn't offer it as a kit. I don't do ARF's, but I digress... Several GB designs paid scant attention to fuel tank position (Falcon 56 was one example, and the Skylark design is from the same era). In this case...the tank was situated fairly low with respect to the carb and that can cause problems. With an ARF, it's likely that the tank is too low, AND....poorly isolated from the airframe, if isolated at all. This can be a problem by causing the fuel to foam with the resulting leaning effect on the mixture. Let's consider your post however for a second. You stated you were one click off peak, and that's just not going to hack it. You are going to have to richen the mixture more. You should be able to get a "jump" in the rpm when you quickly pinch the fuel line. If you're not getting that...you're too lean. Period. In my honest Fox opinion....I think you've got the wrong motor. Quickee motors aren't really intended for sport flying in that they don't throttle nicely in most cases like might expect. Try richening the mixture a bit first. I still think your best solution is to get a more appropriate motor for the plane...a Fox .40BB or the .46ABC would be far better choices where your flying fun is concerned. 'Race |
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Tower sells a universal muffler (Dubro - I think) that straps on and works well at retaining enough heat for the engine to idle well. It costs less than $20. I don't think the original Fox .25 had provision for a bolt-on muffler.
That series carburetor required that you set the low speed adjustment first, before setting the high speed needle. It won't work the other way around at all. But is easy to do, once you realize that the low speed adjustment sets up the basic setting for the high speed needle. Close the low speed adjustment and then back it out about 1.5 turns. Then do the same thing with the high speed needle. Use fuel with some castor oil in it or you will be looking for a new connecting rod very quickly. That was the engines only "fault" that I could find. It is very powerful for a bushed engine. I really liked operating the one on my wife's Falcon 56 (REM). Ed Cregger |
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I have a 12 x 6 on the 60. I think I have the problem solved. And when I would leave the glo starter on the glow plug it ran perfect, so I took the Fox plug out and put a F 5 in and it's like a different motor altogether. I let it idle for a hold minute and it transition to full throttle just great. Hope this will be a good engine for me, |
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Got 2 x .40 BB deluxes, a .45R a .46 ABC and a .74.
Love them all. Running a "Fliteline Solutions" Head Button in the .74.(with the old Mk X twin needle carby) That solved all the unreliabilty problems and it is a real stump puller. The .45 R is my favourite. Ran perfectly straight out of the box and is soooooo reliable. It has an airbleed carby. It is very easy on plugs. It us still running the original idle bar plug that it came with out of the box. Got one of the new 2 needle carbs for the .46 but as the engine is currently stored awaiting a model, I have not fitted it. I use 5% nitro, 75 % methanol and 20% Synthetic Oil/Castor Oil fuel mix. |
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ORIGINAL: Ed Cregger ...Tower sells a universal muffler (Dubro - I think) that straps on and works well at retaining enough heat for the engine to idle well. It costs less than $20. I don't think the original Fox .25 had provision for a bolt-on muffler... Ed Cregger George |
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