Manual For a YS 1.10FZ
 

I bought a lightly used YS 1.10FZ today was wondering where I can download the manual for it.

Also what is the difference between the 1.10S and 1.10FZ?

Thanks!

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The 110S has the regulator mounted on the intake pushrod tube

Manuals below

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Those manuals don't say anything about tuning the regulator. Where can I find that information?

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http://www.patternflyer.com/troy/?page_id=13

http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/...ys_engines.htm

http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/...er/ys_main.htm

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The regulator is to be set flush with the housing (factory setting). If you have a rich midrange screw it in to lean it, if you have a lean midrange screw it out to richen it up, just like a high needle works on the top end. How much you will have to adjust is up to you to determine

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The OP has the "S" version

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Test ran my YS 1.10 tonight. Nice engine. About 9,700RPM on an APC 16x6 and 20/20 fuel running a bit rich and could probably have gotten 10,000 out of it. I think that is comparable to what I have been reading about this engine. From what I was told the engine is "just broken in" but I'm not really sure. It looks close to new. It starts easy and would idle down to 1750 (sounding like a John Deere tractor) and it was quiet. I'm an avid 2-stroke fan but I might can get used to these 4-strokers!

I need to get a set of metric feeler gauges so that I can check the valve clearance. I like the fact that the fuel system is pressurized and I can put the tank anywhere I want!

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Keep the idle at 2000

<u><span style="font-size: larger;">Leave it rich</span></u>. Your statement about leaning it out completely sends chills down my back

A lean Y-S will back fire harder than any four stroke you ever heard. It will likely tear up the spinner and throw the prop. Leave it rich

It is already making much more power than a Saito 125

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i thought from the OP's opening post that he had bought the "FZ" version but was asking what the difference was between the "S" and "FZ" version which is about 300rpm more for the "S" version.

the regulator on the "S" version sets a little below flush to start out.
i do agree on not getting greedy with the HS needle though.
set the HS needle to get a nice smoke trail, but don't go too rich...it will backfire and throw the prop there as well.........and when adjusting the HS needle, give it time to come on as it takes longer for the new setting to take affect. i've seen would be YS tuners turn the HS needle all over the place as the new setting doesn't kick in right away, and think they need to keep tweaking.

if the engine runs smoothly at 4,000 rpm, then leave it alone................if it drops off on rpm's, then turn in in to lean it......if it surges (rpm's oscillate up and down) then richen it.....a 1/16 of a turn at a time makes a big difference.

running 20/20 is smart too as some guys try to run lower nitro and have nothing but tuning problems as the HS needle has less of a sweet spot.

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From my reading about this engine, it is good to keep it rich and I tuned it for 9400 or so RPM. I'm familiar with lean back fires having tuned turbocharged and supercharged racing engines for years but still good info. I bet it is ugly when it throws a prop!

So what would a Saito 125 be turning this prop at?
I have the "S" version with the regulator.

I did notice that the HS needle was a bit slow to respond.

I'll try the 4000RPM test this afternoon and see where the regulator is at. Right now it is set flush with the top of the regulator case.

I can tell that this thing is thirsty from what little i have run it. Lots of smoke at WOT and I'm running Cool Power Pro-Pattern 20/20 all synthetic fuell. I bet a lot of that is nitro smoke.

Would I gain much by using 30%?

Thanks for the replies guys. Off to adjust the valves and run it some more.

Thanks again!

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The Saito 125's vary but they are generally at least 500 rpm less than your 110 with the APC 16 X 6 and 20-20 fuel

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SpinnerRow,

keep it where it is for now.........the smoke is due to the oil content and is normal.
i have run some CP Heli 30% which is even higher oil content.........looks like i have a smoke system installed when set off on the rich side:D............the needle setting is even less sensitive (good thing), and but definately provides more grunt.
i'm able to use an APC 15x10 with 30%............
with PM 20/20 i'm using an APC 15x8

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The main feature of the "S" version, that is not visible from the outside, is the ring on the crank shaft. It seals the rear portion of the crankcase off from the forward part which give a better boost to the supercharging. This is why they turn more RPMs than the non-S version. The two regulators work basically the same. They moved it to the down-tubes on the S version for better cooling, but it works exactly the same.

Blessings, Terry

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I have air bubbles between the regulator in front and the carburetor. This can't be right. I don't have any bubbles anywhere else in my fuel system. Just between the regulator in front and the carburetor.

Any suggestions?

By the way. Where is a good place for YS parts?

And... What size are the nuts on the valve adjusters? I didn't get a wrench with my engine.



Dang, that is definately a difference.

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Central Hobbbies has the best prices for YS parts.:D
http://www.centralhobbies.com/

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http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00942339000P $13.99

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The bubbles are normal for an YS, that`s why they use dark blue tubing to conseal them to avoid people seeing them and trying to fix something that is supposed to be like that;)

Perfectly normal, both my YS`s and a friend of mine`s too have them, nothing to worry about

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Air bubbles in the reg/carb line are normal and not to be worried over. They use a dark blue line so you can't see them.

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I talked to guy named Al at Central Hobbies and he was asking me a few questions and he made a few observations:

- When I got the engine, the regulator screw was well below flush with the top of the housing. I've tried screwing it out to what the manual says but my engine won't run. It burbles way rich and dies.
- I can see fuel bubbling into the carburetor when the engine isn't running.

Al seems to think that I have junk in the diaphram of the regulator holding it open and allowing fuel to pass or maybe a bad diaphram. I'm going to try to take it apart and clean it. If I can't do that I may order a new one.

Cool! So is it a 4, 4.5 or 5.5mm?

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spinnerRow,
both of my 1.10-s engines have the reg. screw below flush out of the box.................you may want to try putting the screw back where it was.

the only right way to set the regulator is with the 4,000 rpm check.

where in the manual did you find the setting for the diaphram?

the 1.10fz is set flush, but the 1.10-s is not stated.

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Keep in mind that the regulator adjustment screw pushes against a spring that forces the silicone plunger closed. The diaphragm presses against the pin that pushes the plunger open when the diaphragm is moved by the pressure pulses from the crankcase. A slight difference in the tension from one spring to another requires that the tension be adjusted. It is not surprising that some regulator adjustment screws would be in a slightly different position. It doesn't take a very big piece of junk to prop the plunger open enough to allow fuel past when it is not supposed to pass. If you are seeing fuel enter the carb when the engine is off, it is usually something propping the plunger open. However, if the adjustment screw is too far out, there may not be enough tension against the plunger to hold back the pressurized fuel.

Blessings, Terry

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After talking with Central Hobbies, they suggested I take the regulator apart and check it for dirt or gunk. My engine is filling up the carburetor after the engine is shut off. It keeps pumping fuel into the carb until the pressure in the tank is gone.

I may be looking at ordering a new regulator as after taking it apart, I didn't see any dirt or gunk in it. I blew it with air and soaked it in clean fuel before putting it back together. Same thing - carb is filling up after the engine is shut off.

I can adjust the regulator to get a decent 4000 RPM run but if I go to idle it loads up quick and dies. The low speed needle seems to be ineffective. If I lean the regulator out, it starves at the top and I have to go way rich on the HS needle. And then if I stop the engine it pumps fuel furiously into the carb until the pressure in the tank is gone. I doubt this behavior is normal but I could be wrong. Heck I saw 10,200rpm at one point with this thing so it was way lean. Engine is strong as mule piss I tell ya!

Central Hobbies told me that the carb filling problem is a sign of a faulty or dirty regulator. So I may be ordering one here shortly unless you guys have some suggestions?

Thanks!

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i think you found the best solution, and it'll be a cheap price to pay vs a fried motor.

never knew mule piss was that strong though:D:D:D

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I agree. I got this engine for a steal of a price and this may be why. The previous owner may have had some problems tuning it as well.

I grew up around farms in Tennessee and mule piss is stronger than any beer/broccoli/asparagus piss any human can conjure up!

This is my first 4 stroke engine and I like the sound and power and I'm sure I can figure out the tuning. But.... An OS 120AX would have been much more simple to tune and maintain I'm sure but I got this engine for way less that a new 120AX would have cost me so I figured I'd give it a try.

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I doubt the whole regulator is bad, Order a new plunger, diaphragm and gasket set. But first, make sure the pin is seated properly in the plunger. If it is crooked, the plunger wont seat properly. Those parts are inexpensive and will fix the problem.

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How do you get the regulator apart to get to the diaphragm? Does it screw apart?

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price it all up and then say to yourself after you still can't get it running right................"piss on the mule who suggested this:D"...........................buy a new regulater and forget about it.
there is a replacement on the table if the new regulater is defective, but no such thing if you try repairing the old one.

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The guy at Central Hobbies seemed to be politely suggesting that a noob repairing a regulator has limited success at best.

The regulator is an expensive little bugger though! But if this fixes me up, I'm still ahead in the game. Truthfully, I wasn't expecting this motor to be as powerful as it is. Totally surprised me!. This thing is going in a 7lb or so 65" Aeroworks Edge 540. It is going to yank that thing around like a rag doll.

That new YS 1.15 that is coming out sounds like a beast. Al told me that it will have as much or more power than everyone else's 1.40s. Pretty sick. I'd like to have that in a H9 P-51!

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Just pick up a new reg.:D

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that's what i mean........buying a new reg will be cheap compared to the hassle you may have if you try to rebuild the old reg and still have nothing but tuning fits.

i'm curious about the 1.15 too, and especially about the regulator they show on it.........doesn't look like there is any adjusment screw, which will be a plus for the guys who just can't leave needles alone:D

i've been running my 1.10-s since i got it back in feb and haven't touched anything but a valve adjustment..............it's almost like flying electric[:'(]...........but with the ferocious sound:D

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OK, regulators are on back order for 4-5 weeks. [:o]

So I took mine apart as carefully as I could and low and behold there was a piece of junk under the plunger. My 47 year old eyes had to use a fish eye magnifying (and lit) glass to see it but it was there. Cleaned that out and put it back together. Runs like a top now. Woohoo! My first YS part surgery!.

If I saw a lean spike to 10,200RPM, where should I tune this thing to run at? I have it at 9500 right now and it can idle as low as 1550 before it wants to back fire and run backwards so I was thinking 1900 to 2000 idle. Someone posted above to set it at 2500 but I'm worried that this Edge 540 is going to be slippery enough to float right on past the runway so I need all the slow down I can get!

Thanks for the replies!

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The idle is supposed to be set at 2000

The back fires at 1700 are not like the ones you will get at higher RPM's as a result of being lean

9700 sounds like the area you want to be but you must go by the sound and the smoke trail

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Read these articles about adjusting the idle. It must be set at 2,000 not 2,500. This is the way the Air bleed low speed needle works. It will nothing above 2,000 since it is now running with the Regulator controlling the fuel flow.

http://www.patternflyer.com/troy/?page_id=13

http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/...ys_engines.htm

http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/...er/ys_main.htm

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Is this engine the "S" version or not? If it is the FZ, I can't imagine needing a new regulator. To easy to rebuild. Maybe I have been assuming the wrong thing.

Is the S regulator difficult to open?

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I have been going thru almost the same things you guys are. Motorman and Y8E filled me in on info. I just started to get a NIB, about 8 months old from Central, going. Fuel flying out of the carb, when turning over with starter, or sitting still. Central told me today that the regulator may be stuck, turn the screw in a little, back it out. They said it has been a problem with other's.
I did that, seemed like a little tick, like loosening up. See what happens tomorrow.


On the new YS110. It is being replaced with the YS115. Central told me originally it was coming in September. Then December. I got a message from an Oxai dealer in Shanghai, China, told me that Mr. Yamada did not know when the 115 will be available for sale. I may just go for another 110, there are a few for sale on different sites.

Crank

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Hey spinner, good for you! I'm glad you stuck with it. Now you know why it is important to run a fuel filter in the line to the engine. It doesn't take much to prop that valve open and let fuel bleed by.

BTW, While I was at this, I called YSpartsandservice to ask about the S version regulator. He told me they are press fit together and to open them up you just have to pry between the two fuel nipples. He said they have the same components inside that the regulator has. Unless you have had a bad crash or something that damaged the housing, there is no good reason for not just replacing the wear parts. I am writing this to help others who may come to this thread looking for help.

You can get the plunger, spring and diaphragm for less than $15. But to be honest, they don't wear out very easily. It is usually foreign matter or an ill seated plunger pin. Usually a good cleaning and careful reassembly is all that is needed.

Blessings, Terry

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Post #10 says:

Yep, that is how I got mine apart - biting my nails the whole time!

I installed it in the plane yesterday and am currently waiting on some servos from Tower to get here. Should fly it next weekend. Plane is light - under 8lbs so it should be a rocket.

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I have crossed all my T's and dotted all the i's. New YS110S, it did have a stuck regulator, now OK, the fuel is not pouring out of the carb like a river anymore. New YS plug, glow lighter charged up, 30% CP Heli fuel, all fuel lines intact, strong starter.

I am not an expert, first 4 stroke, ready to send to repair station. I was ready to buy another new one I found, same engine, but the misery index is setting in. I have not touched the idle NV, and the main is back out
1 - 3/4 turn for start. Proper run thru with prop without contact, then contact, prop it with starter, Zero, DOA. Is this normal, did I buy a lemon ?

Going for a Miller's.

Vince

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Sounds like it is plugged again

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W8. Is that your Champ ? Plugged, regulator ? Once in a while it will fire, just fire, like a back kick. That's it.

Vicne