HighPlains

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Just read the ad for the Sr. Falcon ARF and the Skylark 56 ARF. Does anyone know when they will be available?

ELTIGRE

thats a new one for me. since the KITS have been discontinued . where did you see it?

HighPlains

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It's in a new ad in the Nov. issue of model avation - pg 71

Deadstik

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HighPlains,

I haven't got my issue yet... who is the manufacturer??? Do they have a website? Price? I'd appreciate the info... darn postal service.... mag is always late...


Deadstik>>>>>[8D]

HighPlains

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The manufacturer is Carl Goldberg Products, LTD. Which I believe is owned by Lanier now. No prices are listed, nor is any information on the CG web site (as of last night). Both models are covered in plastic film in the original color schemes. They are recommending using a .40-.46 engine on the Sr. Falcon since todays engines are much more powerful than the old .60's of the '60's.

I had flown a Skylark 56 MKII in the past, and liked it alot. Very smooth sport airplane. It is also a .40-.46 powered. Recently bought a kit on Ebay of the original (two engine or one engine version). But now can take the easy way into the air.

I learned to fly RC with a Falcon 56 with 3 channels of Orbit proportional and an OS .19 back in 1970. Flew it solo on the third flight. Also bought a repeat kit of that airplane Ebay too. But the Sr. Falcon ARF might be too tempting.

BobHH

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Well finally I believe Carl Goldberg Models has listened to the everyday modeler. Glad to here the old birds are coming back. The kit is a bear to produce with the specialty size wood and all. Most people just don't have the time or patience to build one. I am not sure now if I will make another run of the Sr Falcon kits. Got a few kits left but would believe the ARF would be more afordable and quicker to get airborne. Still working on my Sr Skylark though....



Bob Harris
Early RC Models
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HighPlains

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I doubt that very many people ever knew that there was a Sr. Skylark. I saw a picture of it in an old magazine shown by Carl Goldberg at a trade show, but it was never put into production. Will it be able to build as a twin? I've got a new matched pair of ST G .40's (ABC cast cases, blue heads) that have been waiting for something special.

BobHH

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Yep, I always thought the Sr Skylark would be a great model like the Sr.Falcon. Most people prefer the 40 size models. I am not sure why Carl did not kit it. It would have completed the series. Hopefully when ours is completed it will be as the original Skylark 56 available both twin and single engine. Twin 40's should be hot! My Sr Falcon prototype I fly demos with has an old OS 40 FSR which flies it quite well. Most likely will not be available until first of year. Still got a few other designs ahead of it. Just keep an eye on the webpage.

Thanks,

Bob Harris
Early RC Models
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N8theSk8

I am not sure bob it looks like the arfs will be twice the price of your kits.

[link=http://www.towerhobbies.com/rcwnews/040922-gbga1085.html]http://www.towerhobbies.com/rcwnews/040922-gbga1085.html[/link]

HighPlains

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Tower previews both airplanes with "Retail Price" of mid-$250. But they do that to a lot of products and then have a deep discount, like the OS engine FL-70 retails at $330, but they sell it for $190. Games!

BobHH

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Just got back into town and checked out the magazine and web post shown by N8thesk8. Also glad to see them going to 1 servo per wing as we did. Much easier install. I was hoping the ARF would come in at around $150.00 street price compared to other ARF models of it size. Still if it is true to the sesign she will fly steady and smooth. I still like the original white with black and red trim though. Now if we can get them to kit the Skylane 62!!!

Bob Harris
Early RC Models
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HighPlains

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They are now on the Carl Goldberg web site.

http://www.carlgoldbergproducts.com/new.htm

F106A

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I learned to fly on a Sr. Falcon in '69, silked and doped. I had an OS 40 that I bought at the base hobby shop in 'Nam. I had only flown single channel up to that time and my efforts on the first several takeoff's were not good, too many controls! I finally hand launched it, steered it with the rudder and gained plenty of altitude before I tried to turn with the ailerons. Dead sticked it until I got up enough nerve to try power on landings.
Got to get one, just for old time sake, and besides I have a brand new Webra Blackhead that will power it quite nicely.
BRG,
Jon

old git

I just worked out when I flew my Sr Falcon it was 32 years ago. I built it while my wife was in hospital giving birth to our first child. It was so good that I put it away till I had learned to fly properly. I built a couple more models and then work took over and I never did learn to fly properly.

I am back to modelling and bought a new CG Sr Falcon kit on eBay. I also bought a Skylark 56 kit, i was very disapointed to see it was nothing like the Jr Skylark, No twin engine facility but provision for retracts. I probably bid against you for the GENUINE Skylark 56, I fell asleep at the keyboard. You Americans keep wierd hours, awake when I am asleep and vice versa.

I flew the original Sr Falcon with an OS 58, I was very popular on the patch, everyone wanted to teach me by flying it. On one occasiom when it seemed to be approaching TERROR FIRMER (than the model that is) I pulled the up stick. It went into a loop followed by lots more loops, My Tutor took the Tx from me, throttled back and landed it rudder only in a dethermalised stall. The wing had lifted on the bands and the cover over the tank was held on by rubber bands. The cover was cut to fit over the leading edge. The result was about three eighths of an inch packing under the leading edge.

I have a Quaker 84" on the go now, free flight with R/C to disturb it, I love to build but think I shall never be a competent pilot,

HighPlains

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You got the Skylark II instead of the original Skylark. I think they dropped the twin option on the II version, upgraded spar strength, and overall weight in the redesign for bigger motors (40's). The original was designed to fly with an .09 to .19 sized single engine at 3 1/2 lbs with 6 channel reed radio. As a twin, a pair of .09's to .15's were called out at 4 1/4 lbs. With todays radios, it could be rather light.

CCRC1

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I spoke to a rep at Goldberg by phone yesterday. He advised that they are expecting delivery of the new airplanes in about two weeks. They will then be sent out to the distributors for retail sales. So we may see them by the end of October.

Sport_Pilot

Well they flew fine with the OS FSR and other powerfull .60's of the late 70's! Todays engines are probably not much more powerfull than that. In fact I think the OS FSR .60 was more powerfull than the FX .60.

I suspect they are rating them for smaller engines because they know what will happen when you put a powerfull .60 on that hot glued firewall.

BobHH

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As I said before, my Sr Falcon prototype pictured flies on a old OS FSR 40. Full size radio and 5 servos (1 per Aileron). Ultracote with Rustoleam spray paint. About 6.5 lbs I recall wet. Flies like on rails. We do show on the plans squeezing/installing a OS FSR61 in it. I know some guys want the larger engine and I suspect the ARF will have a universal mount. My local Hobby Shop has some pricing and said he thought the street price for the ARF will be around $159.00 or so. A really good price if you have ever built one. I can't wait to see one and compare.

Bob Harris
Early RC Models
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HighPlains

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That is an extremely nice looking airplane Bob. It reminds me of much simpler times when just having the sun set and still having a flyable airplane was a great day.

F106A

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Hi Bob,
What's so difficult about building a Sr Falcon? I don't remember there being any issues with it, although it was 35 years ago. Seemed pretty easy, a box fuse with a constant cord wing on top.
I agree that CG would have a winner with an ARF Skylane 62.
Jon

BobHH

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Well, seeing how I have built 2 in the last year along with about 10 other prototypes it was not so bad. I have made a few changes to make it easy but you still have to carve out those wing tips and shape the fuselage nose to fit the spinner. It's not a really hard build and goes together quickly and I just like building my own models to make sure I know how they are built. But, for about $10.00 more you can get a ARF! That's a hard sell for any kit manufacturer. Think about it. If it is true to scale about $25.00 of ultracote and you can recover it and have any color scheme you want!

Bob Harris
Early RC Models
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big max 1935

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Great Planes shows list price for the Skylark 56 ARF as 259.99. The Falcon Sr. ARF as 269.99. Expected delivery to dealers in mid October. I look for street price to be in the 160.00 to 190.00 range . MAX H.

HighPlains

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Tower now show the Skylark MKII priced at $159.99 and the SR. Falcon at $169.99 with the availability listed as "order pending".

SR Falcon listed to use a .40 sized engine, which should have more power than .60's of the 60's and about the same weight. Where did I put my Merco .49?

CCRC1

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Tower has lowered the price on the Senior Falcon.

CCRC1

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Ther appears to be a change in the price for the Goldberg Senior falcon ARF. Towers web site and Model Airplane News now has it advertised as $99.99
Much better price!