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The tee shirts have been ordered and the printer says they will do 'em Thursday. I've ordered a few extras just in case. Hopefully we'll be able to ship them out on the 11 th or 12th of June (yeah, yeah, this year).
The tee shirts have been ordered and the printer says they will do 'em Thursday. I've ordered a few extras just in case. Hopefully we'll be able to ship them out on the 11 th or 12th of June (yeah, yeah, this year).
WOW I like it!! Kind of looks like my 33% YMF5 "MissLinney" Glad I ordered 2
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Ken and the Wing Tip Worriers,
I went up to the Airport on 2 June, examined and took photos of the YKS and UPF-7 wing tips. As each wing was handcrafted, minor variations in tip shape can be expected and close inspection of the wing tips of most Wacos would reveal that all four tips are slightly different. YKS photos are bare and covered, UPF-7 are Dk. Blue/Lt. Blue (lower left wing tip and uppeer right wing tip).
Bottom Taper - Along the trailing edge of the wing in the aileron bay, the Aileron Spar (W-13) starts to taper about halfway between W-6 #3 and W-6 #4 (I now call W-6a) (picture 1). The main Front and Rear Spars start to taper at W-6a.
Top Taper – The taper starts at W-7 to the tip at the Rib high point with the Top of W-8 about ½†lower than W-7 and the Top of the Wing Tip about ¾†lower than W-8 (picture 2). Measurements are for full size (see photo). Follow the ½†square stick -Note that W-6a has a spacer under the top of the rib, W-7 has a cap strip and W-8, the stick is attached directly to the rib. This slight taper make the upper taper hard to see head on as the most visible part is in the forward portion of the wing (see wing tip end view, pictures 3, 4, 7).
I went up to the Airport on 2 June, examined and took photos of the YKS and UPF-7 wing tips. As each wing was handcrafted, minor variations in tip shape can be expected and close inspection of the wing tips of most Wacos would reveal that all four tips are slightly different. YKS photos are bare and covered, UPF-7 are Dk. Blue/Lt. Blue (lower left wing tip and uppeer right wing tip).
Bottom Taper - Along the trailing edge of the wing in the aileron bay, the Aileron Spar (W-13) starts to taper about halfway between W-6 #3 and W-6 #4 (I now call W-6a) (picture 1). The main Front and Rear Spars start to taper at W-6a.
Top Taper – The taper starts at W-7 to the tip at the Rib high point with the Top of W-8 about ½†lower than W-7 and the Top of the Wing Tip about ¾†lower than W-8 (picture 2). Measurements are for full size (see photo). Follow the ½†square stick -Note that W-6a has a spacer under the top of the rib, W-7 has a cap strip and W-8, the stick is attached directly to the rib. This slight taper make the upper taper hard to see head on as the most visible part is in the forward portion of the wing (see wing tip end view, pictures 3, 4, 7).
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John
Super great pictures. Just what we needed. Great job. This will raise the bar on what the Model wing should look like. I Sent them on to Dany at Genesis.
TR
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Super great pictures. Just what we needed. Great job. This will raise the bar on what the Model wing should look like. I Sent them on to Dany at Genesis.
TR
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Ken and the Wing Tip Worriers,
close inspection of the wing tips of most Wacos would reveal that all four tips are slightly different.
Ken and the Wing Tip Worriers,
close inspection of the wing tips of most Wacos would reveal that all four tips are slightly different.
If all four of the full-size tips are different, mine is more scale than I thought
I got my smoke system working today, on the ground at least. The Righteous Brothers should have been singing during the test. The thing was smoking like a Yugo with a broken oil ring and bad valve guides. Looks like I can get about 3-1/2 minutes of smoke with the tank I have, more than enough, I think.
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Just a note about the shirts.
I initially said they would be Hanes BEEFY-T's which are 6.1 oz. 100% cotton. What we are getting is better. They are Hanes Authentics Tagless Tees (no tag in the neck band) which are more comfortable. Same weight, same quality, same color, just 'more better' because there is no tag to tickle your neck while flying! Just leave that to the gnats and sweat bees!
I initially said they would be Hanes BEEFY-T's which are 6.1 oz. 100% cotton. What we are getting is better. They are Hanes Authentics Tagless Tees (no tag in the neck band) which are more comfortable. Same weight, same quality, same color, just 'more better' because there is no tag to tickle your neck while flying! Just leave that to the gnats and sweat bees!
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Bill - Are you still with us??? Haven't seen you post (anywhere) lately. I know, you're probably selling "bowties" by the boat load... to pay for that brand spankin' new gee wizz 'puter. Hope everything's ok.
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khodges, I do not recall the smoke setup you have. can you pls recap or direct me to the post describing it ? (couldn't find it)
Thanks, V.
khodges, I do not recall the smoke setup you have. can you pls recap or direct me to the post describing it ? (couldn't find it)
Thanks, V.
I'm using Super-Dri smoke oil, it's supposed to smoke at lower temps. I get very dense smoke from just off idle through full throttle, and the tank will last just over three minutes continuous running. It's possible to mix the smoke channel into the throttle to increase flow with increased throttle, but it's not necessary on the G-26, at least with my setup. I'll try it out this weekend and see how it does in the air.
I should have said that it smokes like a 1972 Chevy Vega with 20,000 miles on it. I don't guess the Master Chief was selling Chevs back then ,though.
The pic below shows where I mounted the pump, behind and below the tanks, just above the wing saddle. the pump is rubber mounted to the rail. The module is velcro'd to the fuse above the pump (out of view)
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Hi all,
Excellent thread, I've only just found it.
I'm curently talking to Dany from Genesis re a 33% YMF that will have a Moki 150 fitted.
Just wondering if any of you guys had flown this combo.
How much of an unhealthy obsession with WACO's does one need to have, to be part of "The Brotherhood".
Didg.
Excellent thread, I've only just found it.
I'm curently talking to Dany from Genesis re a 33% YMF that will have a Moki 150 fitted.
Just wondering if any of you guys had flown this combo.
How much of an unhealthy obsession with WACO's does one need to have, to be part of "The Brotherhood".
Didg.
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hi
Great plane to build. With the new parts it is even better. The kit is improving every day. Still has some minor problems but they are easily changed with scale pictures and a careful build. I have a DA 150 and it is way more power then necessary. I fly at slightly above 1/4 throttle. Unlimited vertical at just above half throttle.
TR
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Great plane to build. With the new parts it is even better. The kit is improving every day. Still has some minor problems but they are easily changed with scale pictures and a careful build. I have a DA 150 and it is way more power then necessary. I fly at slightly above 1/4 throttle. Unlimited vertical at just above half throttle.
TR
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TR,
Even non-Wacos look better with a pilot. This pilot, Glen Peck, was giving the DH-4M2 a check ride after installing a new radiator for the Liberty 12 Cylinder Engine. The flight was a success, no leaks, no over heating, engine running fine, sounding like a half a dozen Harley’s. This plane is part of the Historic Aircraft Restoration Museum collection at Creve Coeur Airport.
Even non-Wacos look better with a pilot. This pilot, Glen Peck, was giving the DH-4M2 a check ride after installing a new radiator for the Liberty 12 Cylinder Engine. The flight was a success, no leaks, no over heating, engine running fine, sounding like a half a dozen Harley’s. This plane is part of the Historic Aircraft Restoration Museum collection at Creve Coeur Airport.
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How much of an unhealthy obsession with WACO's does one need to have, to be part of "The Brotherhood".
How much of an unhealthy obsession with WACO's does one need to have, to be part of "The Brotherhood".
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It's a TME Simple Smoke. ...
It's a TME Simple Smoke. ...
Cheers, V.
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Boy this is really getting over the top. This old marine Gunny can't even test his Biplane without a pilot. The pictures are old. They are from the early days and I was worried that the pilot was not checked out in the WACO so he stayed on the ground for static only. He is there now but don't have any pictures of him or at least I can't find them.
When you are over 70 things are a little slow and thats why I fly WACO's. My WACO was in the First group and now is almost 4 years old. Many, Many successful flights and some not and the plane has survived some ground loops and pilot errors in the early days. It took me probably 30 flights and the help of a full scale WACO pilot to learn how to land it. Its more like a Warbird than my Sukio. I bring it in Hot (high Idle). No three pointers for me because if you miss its big trouble.
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TR
When you are over 70 things are a little slow and thats why I fly WACO's. My WACO was in the First group and now is almost 4 years old. Many, Many successful flights and some not and the plane has survived some ground loops and pilot errors in the early days. It took me probably 30 flights and the help of a full scale WACO pilot to learn how to land it. Its more like a Warbird than my Sukio. I bring it in Hot (high Idle). No three pointers for me because if you miss its big trouble.
TR
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TR
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Boy this is really getting over the top. This old marine Gunny can't even test his Biplane without a pilot. The pictures are old. They are from the early days and I was worried that the pilot was not checked out in the WACO so he stayed on the ground for static only. He is there now but don't have any pictures of him or at least I can't find them.
TR
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TR
Boy this is really getting over the top. This old marine Gunny can't even test his Biplane without a pilot. The pictures are old. They are from the early days and I was worried that the pilot was not checked out in the WACO so he stayed on the ground for static only. He is there now but don't have any pictures of him or at least I can't find them.
TR
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TR
Vasek-- This is from the TME manual, regarding "wet testing" of the pump and adjusting flow:
"Fill the smoke tank and turn the pump on while timing the amount of time it takes to empty the tank. Adjust the valve for about a 2 oz/minute flow for .90 or smaller glow engines.........1.2 cubic inch engines require about 3 oz/minute. Larger gasoline engines from 1.8 to 4.2 cubic inches can burn from 4 to 8 oz/minute. At TOC in Las Vegas, 8.8 c.i. glow engines were burning up to 15 oz./minute...."
I figured that a 14 oz tank, at about 3- 4 oz/minute would give me around 3-1/2 to 4 minutes of smoke, since the G-26 is 1.5 c.i.
The hotter the exhaust, the more smoke you get from a given amount of oil at a given rpm. Gas engines do best, then 4-stroke glow. Hope this helps. The Sullivan smoke pump is very good, I've seen several pattern/3-D planes with them. I suppose the setup is very similar in terms of where the pump goes, adjusting flow, etc.
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That's a contradiction in terms, Didg, a WACO obsession is the healthiest kind. Consider yourself a member. The Master Chief (Stickbuilder) can give you a number, unless you have one in mind; just so it's past whatever the current membership is. You can look back and see the list somewhere. The Master Chief is having 'puter problems, his hard drive got soft, or something like that
ORIGINAL: Didg
How much of an unhealthy obsession with WACO's does one need to have, to be part of "The Brotherhood".
How much of an unhealthy obsession with WACO's does one need to have, to be part of "The Brotherhood".
It's an honour to become a member, am I too late to order a T shirt or two?
Just so you know a bit about me:
I live in southern Scotland, I'm 45 and work at the National Museum of Flight - East Fortune Airfield (1915)
Flying models for 2 1/2 years (late starter).
Hi to all,
Didg.
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Okay, Here is the roster to date.
WACO BROTHERHOOD MEMBERSHIP:
#1 stickbuilder
#2 Hughes500
#3 Jim Henley
#4 mmattockx
#5 CTflyboy
#6 michaelj2k
#7 Ronj10
#8 gwulle
#9 jim schroer
#10 Skinny Bob
#11 Bart5495
#12 Pimmnz
#13 HarryJ
No. 14 Old Git
#15 ChrisMH
#16 Nerevar
#17 Ricatic
#18 Clay H.
#19 Tripp2Loo
#20 KHodges
#21 Bill Hogue (WACO One)
#22 Mangolo (Waldo)
#23 av8ter
#24 yel914
#25 damifino
#26 skylarkmk1
#27 Jacque
#28 Edwin
#29 AROPLANE
#30 CubNut (Anthony)
#31 BQuartucy (Bob Q)
#32 AERORON
#33 funkymusic
#34 RCOutlaw
#35 obo (Bob)
#36 Jackk36 (Jack)
#37 fatherrooster (Jim)
#38 Ilikebipes
#39 Kestrel0222
#40 CROWMAN17 (Marc)
#41 redcesar
#42 S. Christensen (Scott)
#43 Bill Deidrich
#44 Mike Barbee
#45 mrdhud (Dan Hudson)
#46 SoCalSal
#47 Todd (NightStalker)
#48 argon (Bob Gonzalez)
#49 mango 12 (Scott)
#50 skyjet 1
#51 ZIG
#52 Didg
#53 MarvinE255 (DOC)
#54 Joe Norris (Full Scale WACO Pilot)
#55 vasek
#56 SuperCub Man (Jim)
#60 doc zinger
#64 stifts (Steve)
#66 Mobyal
#69 trlambsr
#77 tomcraig
#100 nine o nine (Mitch Epstein)
WACO Sisterhood Roster:
S-1 Janelle (Lady Stickbuilder)
S-2 Sissy Nightstalker
S-3 Barb Barbee
S-4 LadyMango (Lynda)
Bill, AMA 4720
WACO Brotherhood #1
Okay, Here is the roster to date.
WACO BROTHERHOOD MEMBERSHIP:
#1 stickbuilder
#2 Hughes500
#3 Jim Henley
#4 mmattockx
#5 CTflyboy
#6 michaelj2k
#7 Ronj10
#8 gwulle
#9 jim schroer
#10 Skinny Bob
#11 Bart5495
#12 Pimmnz
#13 HarryJ
No. 14 Old Git
#15 ChrisMH
#16 Nerevar
#17 Ricatic
#18 Clay H.
#19 Tripp2Loo
#20 KHodges
#21 Bill Hogue (WACO One)
#22 Mangolo (Waldo)
#23 av8ter
#24 yel914
#25 damifino
#26 skylarkmk1
#27 Jacque
#28 Edwin
#29 AROPLANE
#30 CubNut (Anthony)
#31 BQuartucy (Bob Q)
#32 AERORON
#33 funkymusic
#34 RCOutlaw
#35 obo (Bob)
#36 Jackk36 (Jack)
#37 fatherrooster (Jim)
#38 Ilikebipes
#39 Kestrel0222
#40 CROWMAN17 (Marc)
#41 redcesar
#42 S. Christensen (Scott)
#43 Bill Deidrich
#44 Mike Barbee
#45 mrdhud (Dan Hudson)
#46 SoCalSal
#47 Todd (NightStalker)
#48 argon (Bob Gonzalez)
#49 mango 12 (Scott)
#50 skyjet 1
#51 ZIG
#52 Didg
#53 MarvinE255 (DOC)
#54 Joe Norris (Full Scale WACO Pilot)
#55 vasek
#56 SuperCub Man (Jim)
#60 doc zinger
#64 stifts (Steve)
#66 Mobyal
#69 trlambsr
#77 tomcraig
#100 nine o nine (Mitch Epstein)
WACO Sisterhood Roster:
S-1 Janelle (Lady Stickbuilder)
S-2 Sissy Nightstalker
S-3 Barb Barbee
S-4 LadyMango (Lynda)
Bill, AMA 4720
WACO Brotherhood #1
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Master Chief, you have both ZIG and didg as #51. Would Didg not be #52?
Didg, we're kindred somewhere along the line. My mother is a genealogist and has traced our families a long way back. I'm a Campbell on one side (and a member of Clan Campbell USA), and Callaway on the other, and have relatives from the McKenny and MacDonald Clans, and I married a McDaniel. One of my dreams is to visit your fine country before I depart this mortal coil.
If you will contact damifino by PM, or here on this thread, he can set you up with ordering T-shirts.
Welcome to Clan WACO
Didg, we're kindred somewhere along the line. My mother is a genealogist and has traced our families a long way back. I'm a Campbell on one side (and a member of Clan Campbell USA), and Callaway on the other, and have relatives from the McKenny and MacDonald Clans, and I married a McDaniel. One of my dreams is to visit your fine country before I depart this mortal coil.
If you will contact damifino by PM, or here on this thread, he can set you up with ordering T-shirts.
Welcome to Clan WACO
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On another note, I got two great flights in today on the UMF, about 15 minutes each. I got the rudder input on takeoff about nailed, the tailwheel adjustments are working perfectly. My first landing was spot on, came in about 1/4 throttle (this thing really slows down when you back off the gas) and did a great wheel landing with a 100 foot rollout. Second landing I got too slow (actually was almost downwind) and bounced the touchdown, pulled the spring loaded gizmo on the landing gear struts out of the mounting block. An easy fix, I need longer mounting screws and a longer travel on the gizmo. I did a loop and couple of rolls, it's beautiful in the air.
One thing ticked me off, I couldn't get the smoke system to work. I heard the pump run, but it either wouldn't prime or ???. And the last time I tried it before pumping the fluid back out, the pump wouldn't run (battery read 5.24V). I wanted the smoke for this weekend, but fixing it means removing the wings and I just don't feel like it right now. I'll just fix the gear problem and fly it without smoke for now. next time I need to adjust or repair something else, I'll figure this thing out.
Gosh, this thing is fun to fly[sm=tongue_smile.gif]
One thing ticked me off, I couldn't get the smoke system to work. I heard the pump run, but it either wouldn't prime or ???. And the last time I tried it before pumping the fluid back out, the pump wouldn't run (battery read 5.24V). I wanted the smoke for this weekend, but fixing it means removing the wings and I just don't feel like it right now. I'll just fix the gear problem and fly it without smoke for now. next time I need to adjust or repair something else, I'll figure this thing out.
Gosh, this thing is fun to fly[sm=tongue_smile.gif]
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VASEK: I have the Sullivan pump on a YS 110 powered Super Skybolt. Makes great smoke. I need to play with it some more. I have only a 6 oz tank and I've seen that it makes as much smoke at low pump speed/low engine speed as it does at high pump speed/high engine speed. I've made a flow restrictor to try out. My reasoning is that 'lean' on the oil mixture will do two things: conserve oil (more time) and not cool the exhaust with excessive flow. All in all I really like it. One thing to be carefull about- The Sullivan pump's nipples have no barbs and the supplied plastic clamps will allow the tubing to slip off. It makes a REALLY big mess! After the big mess I secured the lines with the supplied clamps AND an arrangement of nylon zip ties around the tubing and then to the mounting holes on the pump base itself.
WACO TEES- Samples were printed today and the logo and background did not have enough contrast. Simple fix but will delay printing until tomorrow (Friday). If everything goes as planned they will still be on schedule.
For those of you have just joined: I did get extra shirts just for your situation. Please send me a Private Message with your real name, address, e-mail address, and sizes of shirts desired. I will advise you of availability and the total cost which will include shipping. The quanities are limited so speak up!
WACO TEES- Samples were printed today and the logo and background did not have enough contrast. Simple fix but will delay printing until tomorrow (Friday). If everything goes as planned they will still be on schedule.
For those of you have just joined: I did get extra shirts just for your situation. Please send me a Private Message with your real name, address, e-mail address, and sizes of shirts desired. I will advise you of availability and the total cost which will include shipping. The quanities are limited so speak up!