Foxy

Hi guys, quick one here...

APART from the esc and motor, what EXACTLY are the other differences between the HP and the 2350, if any at all?

Foxy

Hm, cursory investigation reveals it is just the steering servo, ESC and Motor.

New question... I understand the MMP esc of the 2350 is fine with 6s, just the 2350 motor is not. Therefore am I correct in thinking I need only to change the motor to the tork 2200 and I have a 6s capable truck?

JesseJames

The Flux Hp also comes with 2.4gh radio, the 2350 comes with I believe an AM radio.

Foxy

No problem, I have an ACE DS1313 and a spektrum receiver waiting to be dropped into whichever one I get.

Anyone know if I can simply bolt the Tork motor into the Qbase and run 6s? According to what I've read it should be that simple. Though I have seen one source that says that the speed control should not be used with 6s in 1/8th vehicles, only 1/10th. Since there are 1/10th vehicles approaching the weight of the savage, I'm assuming its safe to ignore this warning provided you have the right motor and gearing. I'll probably drop it down a couple of teeth to the 18 when I go 6s anyway.

CR500rider

oh brother.....even the mods dont even search. This EXACT topic was brought up not long ago at all, and was only ONE page back. Enjoy http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10553736/tm.htm

Foxy

O brother, people still don't read any more than the title.

PS. That thread is awful, it was when I first read it days ago. Not helpful to anyone. The first poster guessed (sorry syco, but ya did), the second poster sent the member to HPI's website, which doesn't really have all the info it should. The 4th post is hearsay from another forum and is dubious information, let alone off topic. The rest of the thread goes on about how great Castle are. :/ Shortly after that everyone starts posting why they bought one and not the other and patting each other on the back. I positively encourage the next person who wants the answer to this question to start a new topic.

For ref:

HP has MMM based ESC and a good quality 2200 motor, 2350 has MMP based ESC (still 6S capable, but dubious in 1/8th monster trucks, not recommended apparently) and a lower quality but still good 2350 motor which can only take 4s.
HP has 'super' high torque steering servo (still not good enough, but a worthy attempt I suppose for an RTR), 2350 does not.
HP has 2.4Ghz radio, 2350 does not (usually, there seem to be some mix n matchers around).
HP has classic Red body, 2350 has Blue
Both have Bullitproof diff uprade

Still looking for a definitive answer to my current question though. Will the Qbase (MMP) handle the TORK 2200 motor on 6s in a stock geared savage?

Croozer

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I grabbed a Flux HP because I wanted to dabble with the 6s config and just for bashing I like the better radio, personally I believe the 4s is plenty enough power but we all like MORE POWER.

That I do not know, I would contact HPI or Castle.

Foxy

Yeh, it looks like I'm going to be forced to buy a 2350 for now and upgrade for 6s later (which is fine really, I want a spare esc and motor to piss around with in other models, and the qbase and 2350 will be great for that). I'm wondering though if I only need to buy the motor. I suppose I shouldn't be cheap and just get both and put the stock 2350 setup in another car, a buggy or something later. Hm...quite fancy a Savage XS tbh, and I bet the qbase and 2350 will be a killer setup on that.

Freezetron

Read this post for more detailed info from castle themselves


http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27745

Foxy

Thanks ice. I've read this before. The only post that is really relevant to what I want to know is this one...

This a bit of an ambiguous thing to say. There are several ways this could be taken...

1) The ESC will handle 6 cells, but it's not recommended in the Savage with the 2350 motor (inferring that the weak point is the motor, and if the motor were changed, maybe everything would be fine)
2) The ESC will handle 6 cells, but it's not recommended with ANY motor (inferring that the ESC is the problem because of the weight of the Savage, and any motor capable of utilising 6s power will draw too much current through the system) in a 1/8th monster truck.

Which leaves me with; if 1, I will buy a Tork 2200 motor and start running 6 cells. If 2, I will buy a blur and tork 2200 at some point, and transplant the 2350 and qbase into my next 1/8th brushless.

PS. Also relelvant that it is marketed as a 1/10th product on their site. I'm guessing it melts with 6S in a 1/8th monster, regardless what motor it has on it.

sparky 25

How would this preform in place of the 2350 motor?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kershaw-design...item4159fb0a98

price seems reasonable.

Foxy

Seems good for the price. Will the qbase ESC handle it on 6s tho, the burning question? I'm starting to think prolly not, but its cool. I might hold out for an HP in the end. I think I'm gonna make quite the project out of this car.

Freezetron

If I were you, i'd just do it right and get the HP model.

Foxy

I think you're right. Could mean a long wait, but we'll see, I'm good at getting what I want, hehe.

CR500rider

the flux 2350 esc is only good for 4s MAYBE 5s in a 8th scale vehicle. It was engineered to be a 1/10th esc, but paired with the savage and the motor it comes with it is only good for 4s.

Savage-Basher-666

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I have both and have to say that the 6s 2200 is your best choice. It is so powerful that you only need to use ¼ of the trigger most of the time. With this you can easily get 40+ minutes of use out of it. The only bad thing about using 6s is you are going to break it much faster. Remember to buy spare parts to repair the diffs. LOL!

I would never try the 2350 with 6s. Unless you are going to change out the motor but that would cost $ and time when you could’ve spent another $100 for the HPI104240.

Good Luck!

xerxes

da blur esc cant evn handle 6s.

no way in hell da q base can.





spoken frum sum1 whos blur caught on fire usin 6s

BKoz559

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I tried to research information to answer your question but I couldn't find anything absolute. So, in the end if you end up with a 2350 and eventually upgrade the brushless system leaving the stock 2350 Qbase system unused, does a Tekin RX8 system as the upgrade sound alluring? http://www.ckrccrawlers.com/tt2320-t...kv-p-3361.html

I've been reading up on this a bit and am considering dropping one into my Flux.

Freezetron

Stop trolling with terrible grammar

Foxy

Yeh, from what I've read though, I'm not convinced that changing the motor is all that will need to be done. I'm becoming more and more convinced the more I read that the limitation is in fact the weight of the Savage. While the qbase is good for 6s in a 1/10th truck, it would simply be asking too much of it to put 22v to the ground on a much heavier vehicle (in terms of kerb weight AND more importantly rotating mass), regardless what the motor is.

Despite not agreeing with his reasoning, I have to concur with xerxes, and I would expect a meltdown if not quickly, then eventually. And that would then defeat the object of both routes. I wouldn't have a spare esc/motor combo for a 1/8th buggy which I will definitely do after the Savage, and I'd still have to buy the blur and tork.


I had originally thought I would go for a truggy, and had looked at this ESC. It's power handling and spec seem top notch. Definitely an option.

I think what I'm going to do though, is hold out for an HP, and probably buy the RX8 and a really hot motor for the buggy.

xerxes

Foxy

I lol'd.

xerxes

[sm=surprised.gif]

Freezetron

Did you contact HPI / Castle about the problem and ask for a replacement or did you just decide to do nothing about it and biatch how much the Flux sucks?

Foxy

That question isn't really relevant to the topic, lay off him guys, if you spent any time on the WoW forums or 4chan, you'll be used to this writing style, it's not a reason to hate, despite the fact that you might find it annoying. It may not give the impression of genius level IQ, but last time I checked this hobby was not restricted to Steven Hawking types.

He has experiences with the truck which are valid. Maybe some of his problems were his fault, maybe not, it doesn't matter, all experience is relevant in a context.