Chris24Nitro

I was gonna get an SS but know that I see the Savage 25 I think I will probably get that. Other that a better pipe and possibly radio, is there ne reason to get the SS. The 25 comes with rotostart.
Does ne1 know if the 25 will com with high torque steering servos?

Thanx

ac112785

My Feedback: (1)

the savage ss comes with a .25
and i think the rtr version of the savage has the old .21 bb engine
and i think that both come with pullstarts.
or you can get the newest savage that doesn't come with an engine or radio

cnr

whats the difference between to two?

Justintoxicated

See this chart for an easy comparison of the Savage 25 to the Savage 21!

RTR Savage 21 RTR Savage 25
Engine 21BB Nitro Star S-25
Starting System Manual Pullstart Roto Start System
Spur Gear 52T 49T
Clutch Bell 14T 15T or 18T
Clutch Type Two Shoe Three Shoe
Shock Springs Red Medium Black Firm
Fuel Tank with primer, front pick-up without primer, rear pick-up
Body Black-Silver-Purple Red-Black-Silver-Gray



21BB Nitro Star S-25
Size .21 .25
Horsepower @ RPM 2.3hp @ 30,000 2.5 @ 29,000
Heatsink Head cast metal Machined Aluminum
Case silver Black Heatsink Coating
Carburetor metal Composite
Carb Adjustments High, Mid, Low simplified to High and Low
Connecting Rod single bushing Dual Bushing
Construction ABC ABC

from savage-central... Savage 21 VS 25

So It loosk like the Savage 25 is missing the pipe and possibly the dogbones, different springs too. But the SS is missing the new rims and fuel tank and 3 shoe clutch, well the first ones probably will be, who knows maybe they will update the kit yet again.

gHeTTo_SaVaGe

by the way the rtr comes with the rotostart!!!!

hpisavagepro

My Feedback: (1)

i dont know what ur talkin about the savage ss comes with a alumium ribbed tuned pipe, .25 engine, stiffer shocks, NO radio, and unassembled. im 99% sure it doesnt come with the roto start u can see it at hpi web site its hpi racing .com and savage rtr comes assembled with .21 engine, composite tuned pipe, and radio instaled. and im almost positive all that is true

hpisavagepro

My Feedback: (1)

k sorry im not postive the ss comes with the roto start but ive heard some bad things about it. when u use a .21 engine and a little electric motor when the motor gets over primed (flooded) it will bind, making the motor blow. the pull start isnt all that bad i would rather have the pull start than the roto start in my book.

Justintoxicated

Theres 2 different new kits the SS and the RTR 25, the RTR 25 does not come with the pipe but it does come with the rotostart.

hpisavagepro

My Feedback: (1)

where did u see this

Justintoxicated

thats what the whole post is about, and its stickied on www.savage-central.com

Yup HPI released another version of the savage. 3 of them now...and at least 1 more to come.

hpisavagepro

My Feedback: (1)

k sorry i just saw it but i would personally get the ss and assemble it my self and buy a awsome radio cuz u get the pride that u built and u get a better looking in my book and a alumium pipe insted of composite. but if ur not experenced get the .25 rtr

Justintoxicated

The thing that makes it hard to decide is that the SS does not have the new fuel tank and will still ahev the 1/2 tank lean problem, and it comes with the lame rims that will stripp out fast, especially with the .25 in it. The SS is also missing the 3 shoe clutch, but I think people have had great luck putting the MIP 2-shoe.

So it seems to me

SS is great if you don't mid updating these 3 things yourself, and putting it together is a + and you get to pick your radio

for the RTR .25 all you would need to buy is the pipe and HD dogbones to get basicaly the same thing as the SS only you don't get to put it together and it has the rotostart. So I don;t think you could really go wrong either way.

What does this mean though? "Connecting Rod single bushing Dual Bushing "

grampi

HPI needs to make the no engine, no radio SS kit available here in the states. I'd like to know what their marketing thoughts are on this one. Do they actually think there's more demand for a rolling chassis kit overseas?

Justintoxicated

marketing thoguhts = get everyone for as much money as they can...The way I see it I have $800 into my Savage 21, and it will cost nearly $200 to upgrade it to an RTR 25....my other option is to sell my 2 month old savage for liek $350 and lose $500 and buy the RTR 25 for $80 more...

Both choices suck, I hate you HPI!

ShOzz

here ya go, a thread with a link to the savage 25 RTR with full details and a post that has started comparing the SS and the RTR

enjoy

http://www.rcuniverse.com/showthread...32&forumid=216]

Chris24Nitro

How much will the savage 25 cost?

hpisavagepro

My Feedback: (1)

well a website i saw said it will only be $20 more than the .21 rtr savage mine was $409.99 so like $430's awsome deal with all the better goodies. wish i would have waited

F16FxR4real

My Feedback: (2)

Turning the engine over with an electric motor does not make the engine "blow" you may if anything bend a crank shaft. It usually wont get to that point with the electric start unless there is a severe overprime

Chris24Nitro

savage ss and savage 25 have fixed wheel hubs. the savage 25 has roto start and the ss doesnt. the savage 25 has the new tank and the ss doesnt but you can just buy it and put it in when ur building the truck. at some places the savage 25 is as low as $404.95 and no tax

nitro-Al

Hey guys,got the rtr 25 today. i got up to the sixth tank but had to come back home. it runs great & the roto start is works great too. the only problem is when your running the first few tanks it is very easy to flood it. i cranked up my throttle servo and all was good. if it does flood which it did for me it will bind the roto start. other than that this truck rocks!!! i got the hsn down to 3 turns before i had to come home.can't wait till tomorrow!

Aterlatus

If you read the s-25 manual then it actually recommends lifting up your truck and opening the throttle all the way to clear the accumulated crap out of the engine/exhaust during breakin.

I was amazed to see that - never seen someone recommend it before

Have fun with your 25 though - I know I did/do with my SS

Byte the dust

UPLOADING PIC TEST

Byte the dust

J

mt maniac

[:-] how much did that cost you. do you know anything about nitro mt rtr's

Byte the dust

t