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Old 07-11-2004 | 09:32 PM
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Ok, I've been flying rc for about 11 years, been playing around with 3D for the last 3 years of so. Really just been a sports flier per say. I downloaded the Basic B program off the IMAC site and gave it a try. Got to say I really enjoyed it. I've never done a "program" before and I find it quite challenging. Does anyone know (have) a video of someone flying the basic routine? Sure would like to see it done correctly before I get a bunch of bad habits started. I did go to Geistware's site and downloaded the"proper" way to do several of the manouvers, but would still like to see one. Thanks,
Old 07-11-2004 | 09:43 PM
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Ok, I guess I'll answer my own question. I searched a bit more and found another thread asking the same thing. I found the info I needed on the Scale Aerobatics site
Old 07-12-2004 | 12:40 AM
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There is a big group of us who are flying IMAC now.
Most are in Basic and some are in higher classes.

I made this video the other day of the basic sequence since some of the newer guys are practicing by themselves a lot and are not sure what the maneuvers are supposed to look like.

Hope it helps.

[link=http://www.sirs.cc/video/Basic.wmv]Basic 2004[/link]
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Hey,
That's great!!! I couldn't help but be a nit picker and try to judge that while I was watching. Positioning on a vidio is impossible, but what about that spin? I would have given it a zero....
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Old 07-12-2004 | 04:55 PM
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The spin looked good to me. There was a definite stall/break before the spin. What's an "Emmelman"?
Old 07-12-2004 | 04:57 PM
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ORIGINAL: RickP

but what about that spin? I would have given it a zero....
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The entry is not flown well. We had some discussions about the spin on that video today. Heres what George Hicks had to say about whether it was a zero or not.

Hi Guys,
You shouldn't be zeroed for that wing drop...remember it's 1 point per 10
degrees. Technically the entry would be a 1-2 point deduction. When
judging I don't count double jeopardy (i.e. get you for both the excursion
and return to level, but some do). Those who are uneducated in the rules
will zero it. A well Known TOC pilot zeroed a Sportsman flier for rolling 20
degrees the wrong way in the 2001 Nats...perhaps it is considered a zero in
pattern. I'd have deducted more for rolling out on the exit...actually
Wayne it was a very well flown, technically correct sequence. Good
job...it would make a great training video.

FWIW in the upper classes sometimes you have to force a particular spin
direction and depending on the wind and what rudder you're holding to keep
the track straight will dictate which wing will fall first. These can get
tricky fast.

George Hicks
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ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons

The spin looked good to me. There was a definite stall/break before the spin. What's an "Emmelman"?

The break went to the right and I kinda forced it to spin left.

Did I spell Emmelman wrong?
Old 07-12-2004 | 05:15 PM
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Yeah it starts with an "I" so I took one point off each one flown .

Like George Hicks said, it could be considered as an error in entry attitude. Maybe a zero in pattern (those guys will zero you for the nose not going all the way through the horizon before you start the spin and some other differences too).
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See, I purposely screwed up the spin so we could all discuss it.
Yeah, Yeah thats the ticket!

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Nice video, I have a hard enough time just flying in front of the judges much less making a permenant reminder of my less than perfect manuevers.
Old 07-12-2004 | 08:13 PM
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Thank you very much for the video!!!! I have been practicing this sequence since about may and went to one imac competition. I would have to say, aside from my friend helping me get the practice, it was Ryans video last year that inspired me to want to try the basic pattern. I'm not sure what it has done for my flying but I can tell you that I am trying to get better. I am aware of much more than before, such as heading. Lately, working so much I have had little time at the field but just yesterday got to burn some fuel. I just practiced individual manuvers and it was really fun. It was not fun before. So thanks to Wayne and everyone that is contributing to this forum!

Joe Kelley !~)
Old 07-12-2004 | 09:11 PM
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wgeffon,

Thanks for the video! I wasn't sure about my Humpty Bump, so that cleared it up. I really enjoy trying to perfect the maneuvers. When you start to really fine tune this stuff, do you find that you need to have a plane dedicated to IMAC maneuvers with much smaller throws than those used for 3D. Or can you get by with the low rates. It sure doesn't use much of the servo throw that way.
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congrats on the imac sceen
Old 07-12-2004 | 09:52 PM
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Thanks, I don't have a spotter, just a cheat sheet taped to my transmitter tray. Talk about a mental workout trying to do the maneuvers properly plus learning the correct order. Really doesn't take to long learning the order though. Sure am going through the fuel in the ole' G-62 though.
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i know that deal 2 only 6 members at my field
Old 07-12-2004 | 10:21 PM
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Competition isnt for everyone but I think those that persue it will only get better with their skills.
There are a lot of people who are content with just flying around and that is great but for those of us who need more IMAC or Pattern is a great way to improve and gague your advancement.

My experience with IMAC started about 10 years ago. I did a few contests back then and enjoyed it but got busy with work, family etc..
This year is my first year back into it. I am flying Intermediate right now but want to move up to advanced and then Unlimited as soon as I can.
I have done one contest so far this year and my main reason to go was I really just wanted to do the Freestyle in preparation for the XFC. Turns out I had a blast doing the sequence stuff also.
At the XFC I realized that the way to get up to the top with the big boys is to be very good at both Precision and 3D.

There is a large group of guy's I fly with who are all getting into IMAC as well. Most have never done it before but all of them are having a lot of fun getting ready for the contest we are all going to at the end of July.

Anyone else on here going to the Clinton IMAC last weekend in July? (North Central region.)
Old 07-12-2004 | 10:29 PM
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I don't know if I'll ever make it to a competition being stuck out here in no man's land , but I've always flown for MY enjoyment, not to put on a show. Just the challenge of it I guess, that and I love the sound of a fine tuned engine So I'll just keep pecking away at it.................................
Old 07-13-2004 | 04:59 PM
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for basic sequence, u can compete with any kind of plane. Am i correct?? Also, if u are, can u use a pattern plane like a Venus 40 or HL Sklyark???


Thanks,
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