I would like to find a pattern plane kit before cold weather to build during the cold weather. Kits are hard to find and pattern plane kits are almost impossible to find. What is out there and who sells them? Thanks

Classic pattern kits.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3053513/tm.htm

Bridi kits are back in production as well:

http://www.bridiairplanes.com/

I wonder how relevant this URL is after five years.

<span style="color: #ff0000">Edited by Zor on 17 October 2010 at 00:27 EDST.

This one line post above was written when the previous posting had a date of 6/8/2005 8:56 AM and was showing a URL. That URL was then5 years old.

The original posting 5 years old has now been removed.
I may now appear stupid but the facts are that there was such a posting when I wrote the first line above.

Zor

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If you read it you will find it has been updated. Bluejay is basically out of stock - hopefully will stay in busness.
John

Classic/vintage, or modern F3A?

EJWash

http://www.insightrc.com/Evo-orderpg1.html

EJWash1, classic/vintage. I had one years ago but can't remember its name. Banshee??????????? Anyway, the long, lean lines of the old pattern planes appeal to me. And the long tail moment makes them so smooth in the air.

I still see a date of 6/8/2005 8:56 Am

Zor

<span style="color: #ff0000">Edited by Zor 17 October 2010 at 00:35 EDST.

The text above was factual (was true) when I wrote it.
The original posting has now been removed but it was dated as I am showing above.

I am not exactly crazy or stupid. The beginning of this thread has been changed and some of the original postings I was referrring to have been removed.

Zor

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Check out Eureka Aircraft Co.:

http://www.eurekaaircraft.com/index.html

They offer the Banshee under their "Vintage Pattern Plane Kits" heading. They also offer several vintage/classic pattern designs. I have their Curare kit and its of the utmost quality. I would caution that in the case of the Curare kit that it is a project for an experienced builder. I'd bet that its the same case for their other kits.

EJWash

If you've ever thought of building a Taurus like the one Ed Kazmirski used to fly, there is a Taurus clone, called the Primus. Externally it looks like a Taurus, but the design has been updated to more modern methods.

http://www.homeandhobbysolutions.com...%20Details.htm

Keep us in mind and let us know what you decide on.

Bob

I just did a google for Blue Jay Kits and didn't notice anything saying back order but it's worth a phone call to them. You can go to the site and look at there offerings to see what there planes look like and the prices. I just finished there Dirty Birdy. These are all older designs and they are builders kits. There are none of the photos like a GP or SIG kit to help you along, the instructions are all just printed sheets. You can also go into the classic pattern forum and post up there.
I have built a few of the old school pattern planes from just plans I have gotten from MAN plans service. Cutting your own pattern plane kit is easy.

EJWash1, thanks. They have what I want. At this point it would be a tossup between the Banshee and the Mach 1. How are their full size plans and instruction booklets?
Gray Beard, how do you cut the notches in the wing ribs. I have tried a couple of times to cut a rib for a wing that had a damaged rib or two and they always turned out looking like a drunken rat chewed on the rib to emulate the notches.

I cut the ribs at least two at a time on my scroll saw, up to ten at a time if it's a constant cord wing. I use contact cement to glue down the template and give a light score with a exacto knife on the top line then when I cut the two sides with my saw the spar notches just pop out on there own. If not then I just make small cuts on the two lines. I have spar wood that I have sanded and glued sand paper to so it is the correct size of the spars and run that into the slots for a clean finish. Last step is to use my sander to finish the shape of the ribs. With the template still glued onto the ribs I sand them until I have gone into the outside line by about half. If you need photos to make this clear I can cut a few ribs and take pictures. A scroll saw and belt sander are the main tools needed for a plans builder that cuts there own kits. Other builders like band saws, it's just a choice thing.

Glad to help.

In the case of my Curare kit, the plans are the only building guide. There is no instruction book/sheets. It is up to the builder to sequence the build. This was typical of many of the pattern ships, so I'd guess that it'd be the same for many of the kits Eureka offers.

I opted for the foam-core wing and stab for my Curare. I see that Eureka offers the same for several of their kits - could solve your rib dilemma, but then again, it'd be nice to have that skill under your belt.

EJWash

Gray Beard, I understand it all except for the spar notches popping out on their own. What line do you score to achieve this?

EJWash1, I didn't read every word on the site, but I had the impression these were full kits, including wing ribs. No?

Zor Bluejay is alive and well. If you call/email (Lynn Latta) he can tell you what kits they have in stock.

I got this email on October 07, 2010

"Hello, The Bridi Stick and Old Timer kits are back in stock. Thank you, Bluejay Airplane Kits"

It may just be the website hasn't been updated in a while.

They make excellent kits and all the models fly great.

Depends on the model. Some models are offered as full-kits (all wood) and short-kits (just the shaped wood parts). Each kit has the parts listed or a link to a .pdf file that shows the parts. In the case of your Banshee, you can choose from four different versions (including a foam-core wing/stab). I do see that the wing and stab ribs are listed separately for $20. May be worth an e-mail to Don at Eureka to ask if the cut ribs come with the wood wing version or not.

EJWash

All readers,

I have edited post #4 and post #9 because someone in authority (having permission to change, modify, edit or remove postings) has deleted or modified some original posting(s).

These changes (deletion(s)) resulted in making me appear crazy and stupid as I was referring to postings now not there.

The posting I was referring to DID EXIST at the time I wrote my postings #4 and #9.and was dated as I have shown and being 6/8/2005 8:56 AM.

Who removed the posting(s) dated in the year 2005 did not think of the effect it would have on someone referring to something now deleted. Something now not existant.

.Zor.

I went back in to their site and pulled up the Banshee information page. Scrolling all the way to the bottom of the page is a list of the contents of the kit. The very first lne indicates that a foam wing and tail or ribs for the wing and tail, depending on which configuration the buyer chooses, are included in the kit. The kit also includes hardware, canopy, and landing gear. It seems to say that everything except balsa sheeting, balsa sticks, hardwood spars, hardwood dowels, and wheels are included. However, I will email Don(?) and get a firm answer before I order one. That is the plane I had in the late '60s or early '70s. I think it is an extremely attractive airplane and I would certainly love to build another one. Just a a point of interest, they say "foam core wing". Does that mean a sheeted foam core wing or just the foam core with the sheeting left to the builder?

My Curare came with only the foam wing and stab cores. The sheeting will be up to me to provide. Again, typical for the original kits of this era. Some builders went balsa for skins, some ply. I like ply. Included the wing/stab sheeting inquiry to Don.

EJWash

Hmmm... The postings I wrote that you commented on are still there. I had meant the whole thread as a resource to find classic pattern kits.
John

http://homeandhobbysolutions.com/Rad...ane%20Kits.htm

It's a bit hard to discribe so some photos are easier for me. If you look in the Model Airplane News plans section you can find a few pattern planes. I can't cut foam so I never bothered with the Curare but there is a very nice Atlas there.
I pulled out a paper template for the stab on one of my Daddy Rabbit builds and cut a rib. I was in a rush so I just used some photo mount spray to hold it onto the wood. A thin score with a blade or you can cut it out by hand if you like. I cut the rib out on the scroll saw then cut the notches for the spars then sand through half of the black outside line. When I have them all cut I use a piece of spar wood with sand paper glued onto it to get the finished size. It takes me a couple of hours to cut my own kits from plans. I order my wood in bulk from Lone Star Balsa and usually double the order so I end up with a lot of extra wood in my shop. My Daddy Rabbit cost me nothing because I had all the wood and hardware from builds in the past. By building from plans I also fly planes no one at the field has ever seen, I get a lot of those WHO BUILDS THAT questions from the guys, everyone seems to think the only planes today are ARFs.

[quote]ORIGINAL: Gray Beard


By the time a model gets to the flying field then , of course, they are all ARF models.

Most built in a factory and the rare odd one built at home in the workshop.

Have a laugh on me but is it not true ?

Is it not true that by the time you take your plane to the flying field it is ***Almost Ready to Fly ***.

Zor