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Old 09-06-2011 | 10:25 PM
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Ok anouther glue question, wow gues i should read. anyway i just typed this up in word so im gonna go ahead and paste it here sorry. thanks for any advice.

I have done some scratch building a lot of arf building and of course a lot of balsa repair but my only full kit I have ever built was 18 years ago, it was my first plane and I was only 14 years of age. It was a great planes pt60, I really done a great job for being so young and the plane did fly after a few crashes and repairs, I was self taught. The funny thing is it was built entirely out of 30min epoxy lol, I didn’t know any better, don’t ask me how you build an entire kit in under a week’s time with 30 in epoxy but I did. I remember my parents getting concerned I was spending so much time on it, my first real rc plane I was so excited.
Anyhow over the years I have used epoxy, and ca on my arfs and little scratch projects. Soon I am acquiring a 60 size sport “kit” a hobby lobby telesport to be exact and just wanted some education on some of the glues I could use for building it up. Epoxy of course on high stress areas and fuel proofing, but I believe I have read somewhere that people is using tight bond wood glue. Is this for areas like wing ribs and areas where loads will be distributed more evenly? Of course if I wanted to build it fast I would use ca and kicker everywhere but I will not be in hurry. I just want some good solid long lasting bonds that will be easier than mixing up epoxy every time I need glue or using bottles of high priced ca. I do realize no matter how I build the kit it will probably be stronger than any arf I purchased throughout the years. As im getting older im getting more patients and old fashion kit building is looking more practical to me, I have plenty of balsa experience and covering experience, I just need some tips on gluing and insuring a lasting airworthy model. Thanks
Old 09-07-2011 | 03:15 AM
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Sounds like you've already decided to use wood glue.
Old 09-07-2011 | 09:32 AM
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Old fashioned Ambroid or Sig-ment are also good for the areas you've mentioned. Just don't slop it on. Avoid drips and glue fillets.
Old 09-07-2011 | 01:33 PM
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There is a much better wood glue avalable now than Tite-Bond,I've been useing Gorilla Wood glue for a couple years now and it's
drying time n holding power still amazes me,and it's cheaper than Tite-Bond,give it a try you'll b hooked also,Thanks Les
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I second the gorilla glue.
Old 09-07-2011 | 03:53 PM
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I have plenty of balsa experience and covering experience, I just need some tips on gluing and insuring a lasting airworthy model. Thanks
Tony,

Hey! What are you building?

Different glue products can be used in different areas. Here's what I keep on the shelf. I'll give up my secrets!

Thin CA.
Thick CA.
5 minute Epoxy.
30 minute Epoxy.
Polyester resin.
Micro balloons.
Elmer's carpenter's glue.

Old 09-07-2011 | 06:32 PM
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The wood glues are nice in places where you'll be sanding, like gluing on leading edges and then shaping them. Where CA turns balsa rock hard the wood glues are more sandable.
I'll select a glue based on 1. how much work time do I want? an instant bond for joints I'll hold with my fingers, a slower bond so clamps can be arranged, etc.
2. Will it be sanded? 3. How strong? I might list this last since all the glues we use are stronger than the materials.

Glad to hear you're building. That Telesport sounds like a great airplane. My friend have flown many Telemasters, I've been impressed with their flight qualities.
Best wishes!
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Hey! What are you building?


Its a Hobby Lobby Telesport, 40-60 size sport low wing fully symmetrical with turtle deck and elliptical wings and stabs, tail dragger. It was the second kit I never had after my first kit the GP pt60. But parents never got it for me and my money went to repairs and maintaining the pt60. So 18 years later im sentimental about the kit and think it would be a joy to build. I haven’t touched a manufactured kit since, just a few scratch builds and a lot of arfs and all I ever used was epox and ca. Wasn’t real sure if wood glue was better or as good as epox for other areas, but looks like I have my answer. I will be doing a build thread on it too sense there is so very little info about this kit but does have good reviews from what I hear. It will be in the hobby-lobby blue and yellow color scheme like on the box.
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Old 09-07-2011 | 10:38 PM
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I believe it was discontinued in 1994 or so. heard it was kited by Great Planes for Hobby Lobby but not sure. Its suppose to be a great flier. EDIT i also heard it was just a copy of the GP super sportster, but with a tapered cord and thickness. it does favor the super sportster. years ago hobby Lobby sold VHS promotional videos of there models. I had the video of this plane. it flew very well. I remember the guy in the vid said it had a merco 50 in it. The Hobby Lobby covering job was the way i imagined building mine as a kid even with the logo on the side. i think its a beaut. Despite the conversion to nearly all electric park pliers Hobby Lobby has been a great company for me with very good customer service. i just wish they still sold planes like this "in glow"
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Old 09-08-2011 | 04:21 PM
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Tony,

WOW!

Nice looking model.

Now I'm sure you will trace and label all parts, correct?

What size are the plans, and are all the parts outlined on them?

Charles
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Tony,

WOW!

Nice looking model.

Now I'm sure you will trace and label all parts, correct?

What size are the plans, and are all the parts outlined on them?

Charles
LoL your the second person to suggest copying the plans, so i guess i will. I do not have the kit yet so i do not know if there all outlined. I read an old 1993 article about this plane and the guy said it was a nightmare to build and the plans and pieces where @#$%. but he said it flew so well that it was worth building. I also read the guy who wrote that article was very picky and expected kits to be easy enough for a cave man to build so will see. I sent the payment to the fellow that's selling one to me yesterday so hopefully ill have it in a few weeks. I will be starting a build thread on it and post a link to it here.
The only thing i haven't decided is what to power it with. I'm thinking either a JBA 56 or as big as an SK90, but im not sure i want that much power. With the light wing loading it should do fine with a larger engine. i have also read that this kit is over engineered for today's standards and could be built lighter.

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