What is the difference in the wings of the 4*60 and the venture? People say the venture is lighter and stronger? How?

Mike

Hey Mickeeand,
Just putting the finishing touches on a 4*60 (biy kit), hard call here. The venture is a bit classier looking, and the quality of the materials is VERY high, but the kit is pricey, and you need to buy the optional kit for 2 wing servos, as the kit is designed for a single servo. The 4*60 is kitted strictly as a dual servo setup. Personally I avoid a single aileron servo setup like the plauge, but that's just me. I can say the 4*60 wing is a strong design, and both are a "turbulator spar" design that improves low speed performance, though some guys go to the trouble of sheeting from the LE, back to the main spar "****ettaboudit" bottom line you can't lose with either kit.
Good luck[8D]

According to Bruce Tharpe Sig added what he deems unnecessary structure
to the 4 Star 60 wing. He claims the Venture is 1 pound lighter than the
4 Star as a result.

You can find more information on Bruce's website.

http://www.btemodels.com/

But what makes it a pound lighter? What has the venture wing kit left out that he fourstar wing didnt?

Mike

Bruce designed the Four Star 40 and 120 but I think Claude McCullough did the engineering on the Four Star 60?

I've been around the Venture's. One had a Homelite 25 stuck on it with the nose shortened. It weighed a ton but with plenty of power, the owner would always give it a tight workout with wide open throttle. It never had any mechanical trouble. There is a picture of this plane on the Venture 60 site. I would advise doing this to your Venture but is is good testimony as to the strength of the wing

Enjoy,

Jim

Its not what was left out of the Venture but what was added to the 4 Star 60.
Like w8ye said Bruce Tharpe designed the 4 Star 40 and 120. The Venture
wing is more like the 4 Star 40 or Midstar wing.

Additional structure was added by the designer of the 4 Star 60 that
Bruce claims is unnecessary. I dont have any first hand knowledge
of what that structure is since Ive never built a 4 Star 60 but I have
dealt with 4 Star 40s and a Venture.

If you are trying to decide between getting a 4 Star or a Venture
without a doubt get the Venture. Bruce makes some of the nicest
kits you will ever see. And its a terrific flyer.

Mike Hammer

Here's the location of the Venture with a Homelite taken at the club field in Shenandoah, Ohio.

http://www.venture60.com/gene.htm

This is just to prove how strong the airframe is. I remember it having a Super Tiger 61 in the beginning.

Enjoy,

Jim

Man...I wish I knew what I could leave out of the 4*60 wing then..it would help make it lighter and if its just as strong..why not, you know?

hi mickeeand,
Just for grins, I just thru my 4*60 wing on the digital scale, 28.2 ounces, thats completed, but minus the aileron servos. not much "lead" to get out! they are real floaters.

Pete

The Four Star 60 is a real floater the way it was designed. There's no need to bother changing it?

Enjoy,

Jim

Still the question remains...what could I take out to make it lighter just like the venture wing....? I must go to the mountain top for this....brb.

Talk to Bruce and or order a set of plans for the Venture from him?

Enjoy,

Jim

The one pound claim just from wing modifications is probably a stretch, doncha think? That's a whole lot of wood! Claude McCollough was no slouch in designing wings. Okay, maybe there is some extra weight. I don't know. The wing of the Kavalier by CC is an excellent design. Strong but very light. It has excellent flying characteristics.

That Homelite Venture is impressive, Jim. I bet it sounds good too.

A lot of people chop off the outboard rib bay section to stop the floating tendencies.

I believe the 1 lb weight difference is the whole plane, not simply the wing. If you look at BTE website, he says:

"6) Final Weight. The V60 typically weighs about a pound less than the FS60. I think this is due to the additional structure in the FS wing (unneccessary) and the careful wood selection used at BTE."

Don't know if this is a stretch or not.

I can only say I wish Bruce would build a few more kits!

I'd like to order one!

About a week and a half ago I asked to be put on the notify list for the Venture, and back then he was saying I would probably be hearing from him in 2-3 weeks. Obviously I'm not him, and maybe he's gotten behind on that, but if that's accurate, could be pretty soon that we see those kits available again.

That sounds more like it. I may have read the previous message wrong. Of course, you can always add or take away more weight if you want when building. Sig has some good balsa, but they sometimes slip in the heavier stuff. I built a Sig kit that had one of those almost oak leading edges that took forever to sand. It was my first kit and it balanced out okay in the end.

You do not need to buy an additional optional kit for a 2 servo wing for the V60. You can easily build your own. Many have added 2 servos in the V60 wing without buying the "optional" kit thingie.

I just weighed the finished wing for my 4*60 with dual servo setup, 32.7 ounce, thats with Ultracote covering, and I have never been accused of building light
Swager, your right about "scratching " the dual servo mod, but you should not have to.