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jp_boud 04-06-2011 09:01 PM

TF Contender, a beginers view
 
So after a few years of ARF's, I'm flipping through a catalog and run across this plane, a Top Flite Contender, and I fall in love with it and have to have it. Much to my dismay at the time, there is no ARF. After a few weeks of reading this forum I decided I could build one myself. This is a condensed version of what it was like for a first time builder with no help to build a kit. I'll go ahead and admit that I'm hooked now and don't plan on owning any more ARF's any time soon. I enjoyed building during the south Texas windy season as much as I enjoy flying. Don't tell my wife, but I'm already looking for my next kit.

jp_boud 04-06-2011 09:10 PM

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This is where it all started. fabricating the tail and then right into the wing. I thought I was sunk as soon as I saw those wing plans. I thought "well this is what's gonna cause the crash" I actually laid up the ribs and spars pretty quickly after a quick RCU search revealed what I needed to know.

jp_boud 04-06-2011 09:24 PM

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The wing went wayyyy faster than I thought it would, only a few nights and I was sheeting. I can't say much for the sheeting, had to edge glue pieces together, but that's the worst thing I can say for the whole kit. I think it ended up looking pretty good. (for a first timer) Seemed like each portion I did came out better than the last. the bottome of the right wing is worst, top of left wing is best. I learned as I went I guess!

frank99 04-06-2011 09:32 PM

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Nice work , i put flaps on mine and coast guard colors and i like it thanks frank

jp_boud 04-06-2011 09:34 PM

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In no time at all, (it didn't seem that way) I had a wing! I did learn that a razor plane would have been a nice tool to have. unfourtunatly I didn't learn that until I had carved everything free hand with a #11 blade! Once again, I learned something! In the plans, there was an option for up turned wingtips, suposed to correct an adverse roll coupling issue. I decided to build the upturned tips, really, cause I liked the way the plane looked with them vice without. I'm very pleased with how well they came out. Both ended up at exactly 40 degrees as called for. (due to good plans and not great skill I'm sure)

smithcreek 04-07-2011 06:39 AM

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Great job!

gboulton 04-07-2011 06:43 AM

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Another builder is born!<div>
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Michaelj2k 04-07-2011 07:49 AM

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Your next one will be even better. Keep up the good work.[sm=thumbs_up.gif]

MinnFlyer 04-07-2011 08:11 AM

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Excellent work!

If there are any others out there who think they might like to try their hand at building, I encourage you to read this article:

[link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=1196]Kit Building 101[/link]

jp_boud 04-07-2011 09:21 AM

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When I got to the fuse it went together quick and easy, so quick and easy I forgot to take a picture, othe than the in the livingroom floor when wing first met fuse.It seemed odd to mount the engine at this point, but being the newbie / follower of directions......and MinnFlyer, that article and your covering video's were a great "fill-in" for my lack of having anyone living near by, that had built a kit before. So in a way you taught my to build by proxy. (does that mean I can blame my mistakes on you? ha ha)

EscapeFlyer 04-07-2011 09:28 AM

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HB for power plant?

It looks like a HB with PDP and a ST muffler. If this is true you will be VERY happy with the motor (minus the muffler).

I'd like a contender myself, actually. Nice project.

Brian

jp_boud 04-07-2011 09:29 AM

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now that the engine was in place, I started with the cowling and the fake airscoop. These both were carved from balsa, a lot from the inside face had to be removed to flush these blocks against the fuse sides. the left and right were joined the front center with a supplied balsa ring and the rest was filled in with scrap. this was really a learning process for me.....on how to use filler! http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...eeth_smile.gif

jp_boud 04-07-2011 09:36 AM

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That's exactly it, an HB .61 PDP. It came free with a ragged Hawker Huricane someone wanted me to get out of his way. He thought it was worn out due to the dykes ring feeling like there is no compression while sitting. I tore it down went to order parts and got educated by mecoa! The muffler was aslo a freebie, A friend had it lying around at random. Told me it if fit it was mine. I did have to order a carb from perry though as the old one was missing too many parts. Great engine though, just cant seem to slow it down enough to get her to STOP pulling planes on the ground.

MinnFlyer 04-07-2011 09:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: jp_boud

(does that mean I can blame my mistakes on you? ha ha)

You might as well, everybody else does :D

jp_boud 04-07-2011 09:39 AM

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I suppose since I'm not too upset with the mistakes I made........you're kind of off the hook.....for now.

jp_boud 04-07-2011 09:51 AM

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Now with the cowling carved it was time to attach the scoop permanently. I decided it would be easier to cover the scoop before I did that so out came the iron for it's first trip down anything not square and flat. One last search of RCU brought me to these videos, and I'm proud to report mediocre results. (as long as you stand back a few feet that is http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...wink_smile.gif)

jp_boud 04-07-2011 10:02 AM

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All of the sudden I had a plane sitting on the ground. It took a lot of patience and 60 min epoxy (thinned out with denatured alcohol) to fuel proof the inside of that balsa cowling. Then it took even more patience to let that mixture dry. It was 2 full days of sitting in the south Texas sun before it set up enough that I felt ok with moving on. My seven year old wasn't too happy that he lost two days helping me build during spring break. The wind that drove me indoors to build was still blowing and kept us from flying and fishing, his favorite activity's.

jp_boud 04-07-2011 10:10 AM

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OK, just a few more pictures in the raw form, man I love the way a plane looks between build and covered. Wish I could just take them out and fly them like this. I bet I would work a bit slower and really try to make it look nice on the inside then.

MinnFlyer 04-07-2011 10:18 AM

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You could always cover them with Clear Covering

jp_boud 04-07-2011 10:18 AM

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On to the covering, man everything about this was a test of wills, I used 2 full rolls of white and 3/4 of a roll of yellow ultracote. Man did it work great that you can lift and reposition it 'cause I did a lot of that. Also did a lot of pull it off, throw it away and start with a new piece. I decided to just use the decals tha were in the kit (and a few from previous ARF assemblys) I think next time I will try to go a bit wilder, but this time just wanted to do a decent flyable job.

jp_boud 04-07-2011 10:56 AM

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Forgot the most important part, my son's helping touches. He picked out the pilots for me. He brought me a broken Optimus Prime toy and a green army man and set them in the cockpit while I was still building and told me that's what he wanted me to do. So here is Optimus and his army man "tail gunner". The other pic is my son blowing grass off the edge of the pit area with my birdy forty. (Which is a lot of work with a .40 FP)

EscapeFlyer 04-07-2011 03:24 PM

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Cool build! Thanks for sharing this with us.

That HB ought rip the wing off!!! I like it. I don't remember, but there may be a throttle stop on that carbonmaker of yours. Maybe it needs to be screwed out to allow a bit more travel???

It could just be a low end adjustment... Good luck, I hope you get it fixed.

Please share flight reports... and camera footage... maybe?

Brian

DUCO 04-07-2011 05:24 PM

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Really great build and I like the decal on the tailhttp://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f.../thumbs_up.gif.
You convinced me, bought one off of eBay today. $99.00 +shiphttp://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f.../msn/49_49.gif.
Like how you include your son, thats what keeps the Hobbies going, now if only more would follow your lead!

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sunfly3 04-07-2011 06:55 PM

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Hope you have as much fun with your Contender .60 as I have. A really great Dave Platt design from his days at Top Flite a long time ago. Here is a picture of mine. Using an OS 61FSR ABC and standard servos.

jp_boud 04-07-2011 08:27 PM

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Bipe, I think I just haven't found that magic spot where the needles make lots of power and give a nice slow idle, if all else fails, I'll take the power and just tighten the wheel collars a bit. I know it's a band-aid, but hey life's full of compromises right? In researching this engine I've found your name a few times, what prop have you found that worked best? Right now I have a wood 12 X 6-10 and it's a screamer! Just looking for other ideas.

jp_boud 04-07-2011 08:36 PM

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Duco, Funny story about that Tail decal; I had an ooops moment when covering the tail and split the ultra-cote open with the heat gun. I cut out my mistake and laid a "carefully" planned patch over. well careful as I was, it stood out bad so I decided I need a Navy style tail emblem. The best place I could think of for a quick "cool" sticker was the automotive section of walmart. After hem-hawing over a few others I saw that one. had 2 big stickers on one sheet for the same price as one of the others. I was sold! When you get to build yours, the only real mistakes I had in the instructions or plans was drilling for the wing bolts. The plans are off about 3". The rest you can probably do without the book. (as long as you look at the pictures)

jp_boud 04-07-2011 08:56 PM

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Sunfly, I hope I get lots of fun out of this too. I know that the build was great fun. I recognize that scheme from the side of the box. Ithought long and hard about it before deciding I didn't have the covering skills to make both sides look equal and went for something slightly easier to cut my teeth on.



I'm proud to say that today I finally had the break in the weather (wind)I have been waiting for. Had a few hours after sunrise to get to the field get setup and knock out a quick maiden flight. After start up, true to form that old HB .61 started pulling the plane around, but not wanting to miss this rare break in the high winds I worked with it. In hind sight I should have spent more time tuning at home, but you know how things go......gotta fly it fever set in....... on take off roll I had a slight veer to the right, but thought I had plenty of room, just before the grass on the side of the runway I pulled up, but a slight stumble in the engine left me with too little speed to rotate, so hard left the rudder went. As the plane turned, it rotated and suddenly I was at 1 ft altitude with full left rudder and full up elevator.....well a quick head level roll and the maiden flight was on track! After my heart slowed down and knees stopped knocking, 3 or 4 clicks left aileron and 1 click up elevator and I could have set the radio down! Never had an ARF do that! That HB drug me around the sky fast at 1/2 throttle. Wide open, it was work to stay ahead of the plane. I like it! Decided against the flap and instead went for the safe landing...the wheels on the bottom kind....back to the pitswhere there was some questions about rolling that close to the ground....no one believes it wasn't on purpose. All say the landing was pro level. All credit for the landing goes to the plane! Before I could re-fuel the winds picked up and everyone headed home. In my rush to fly, I forgot the camera, I'll make up for that soon. The local airshow and an anniversary are going to eat up this weekend, Have to treat the wife good, I need another kit!

adreliable661 04-07-2011 09:35 PM

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Very nice! The contender was my 2nd attempt at kit building. I put a .61 Evolution in it and it screams! Also made with the upturned wingtips and flaps, just for fun. I like to be a little different so I avoided the Navy scheme and made mine with a racer scheme using "Miller High Life"

jp_boud 04-08-2011 03:04 AM

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Man that's one beautiful contenter. That gold color must have taken some time and skill. I've yet to see a Contender I didn't like, but in my book, yours ranks way up there! (right behind mine of course http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...sn/biggrin.gif )

hrrcflyer 04-08-2011 06:59 AM

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jp_boud,

Awesome job on your Contender and the covering job looks great too....Keep up the good work. Can't wait to see a flight report.:D

David

Roary m 04-09-2011 06:28 PM

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I've seen Adreliable661's Contender in flight; he makes it look easy, and the pic doesn't do it justice, it is a really beautiful ship.

pt19 flyer 01-05-2016 08:23 PM

hi kinda late here but had a contender many years ago and now have urge for another, loved to fly the thing. so my question is do you still have the plans and if so could I
con you out of a copy. found plans in bmp format but don't know how this would enlarge of if it would.
thanks
joe

Michaelj2k 01-06-2016 06:23 AM

Download the full size .pdf file from Outerzone then take it to your favorite reproduction place. http://www.outerzone.co.uk/download_...an.asp?ID=3281


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