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LOL!
You hit probably every spot that I did with tri-stock. It doesn't add much weight, but sure adds a LOT of strength. Your going to need it too with that ass hauling engine you're strapping on the front.:D |
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ORIGINAL: redbiscuits LOL! You hit probably every spot that I did with tri-stock. It doesn't add much weight, but sure adds a LOT of strength. Your going to need it too with that ass hauling engine you're strapping on the front.:D I'm not taking any chances with it as you can tell..lolhttp://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...sn/biggrin.gif I think the only other thing i will do is change the motor mount plate to better ply, pinit and wrapthe whole box with glass..http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...wink_smile.gif What's the going rate on weight on this plane? I'm not building it light so to say, but It's not a lead sled either... Is it a far stretch to shoot for 25-26 pound range? Jimbo |
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From what I have seen/read anywhere from 22lbs to over 30lbs depending on what you put in it. Mine weighs 24lbs right now with out the reciever, batteries, a couple of servos, fuel tanks and maybe a couple of small items. So I would say about 28 to 29 for mine with fuel and smoke ready to fly.
I have a different view on warbird weight, IMHO a warbird that is heaver looks better flying than a lighter one. They just seam to have that sink rate they need. Mostly I am just a little wiered. Anyway my 63" TF P-47 weight 13#s and flies great, slows down with the flaps, It's no aerobatict bird by no means, but it does the nicest victory roll. Ron |
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Beffing up is done for now, I pretty much added TS to all the structure that I could, it sure is beefy..http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...sn/biggrin.gif
Not sure if i am alone on this, but I like to mock up the plane as I go, just for the motivational push..lol Ron's pics has me thinking about theexhaust and how i will go about the task.. The motor I am using doesn't have a wrap around out for it, so it will be a total custom exhaust. The dealer I am going with just so happens to specialize in canisters...http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...wink_smile.gifhttp://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...wink_smile.gifso I am hoping he can help me is this department..http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...wink_smile.gifhttp://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...wink_smile.gifhttp://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...sn/biggrin.gif |
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Man Jimbo, Your building table looks nicer than some dinning room tables I have seen!:)
Looking real good buddy, keep it up. I'm throwing a B-day party for my boy today, he turns 8 tomorrow. Brisket and sausage is on the smoker, chicken is on the grill, wifey is decorating the cupcakes, life is good....... |
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ORIGINAL: redbiscuits Man Jimbo, Your building table looks nicer than some dinning room tables I have seen!:) Looking real good buddy, keep it up. I'm throwing a B-day party for my boy today, he turns 8 tomorrow. Brisket and sausage is on the smoker, chicken is on the grill, wifey is decorating the cupcakes, life is good....... Well tell the little guy a big Happy BirthDay and have a fun party.. With the eats you got, it should be fun.....http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f.../thumbs_up.gif My daughter is in choir and we have a dinner and performance thing to go to, in-laws are coming to town today for it. Should be a fun night, they are doing all Christmas songs and the food is suppose to be top notch... The work bench top is viynl flooring I had left from a job, makes for a great top and if they get messed up, I just pull out the plank and put in a new one...http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...wink_smile.gif thanks for the kind words, can't wait till mine looks as good as yours.......http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f.../thumbs_up.gif |
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Jimbo, I've been watching your progress. Awesome! Just about to the stage where you need to feel sorry for an old rc'er and bring it to me down in OKC! Ha! Ha!
Gary is right about your table being nice. I've been watching his build from the start. His 47 is awesome too! I'm going to build one shortly. Thanks for all the pic's you guys put on here. Very helpful. Eddie of OKC |
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Gary, 8 is a perfect age! Happy b'day to him! I've got grand kids that go from 24-21-14-13-12-8-7-6-5-3-3 & 1. Seems like there is a b'day every month.
Keep up the good finish on the 47! Eddie of OKC |
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Thanks Eddie, it's been a fun build so far.......http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f.../thumbs_up.gif
I ordered my cockpit and canopy yesterday, need to get the CP installed so i can finish up where I am putting my control rod tubes.. I just went with the TopFlite one, like others have said, once the pilot is in and canopy is on, you don't see much of it... Does anyone know if Areotech models went out of bizz? I was planning on getting my drop tanks and pylonsfrom them, their website is no longer....http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f.../sad_smile.gifDoes anyone have another place to get the scale stuff from? Gary, how did the party go buddy, hope y'all had a good time.....http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f.../thumbs_up.gif |
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We all had a really good time. I'm wore out today though, I don't even feel like doing anything in the shop.
Yep, Aerotech went out of business. I may build my own pylons and drop tanks later down the road from 3 views. I'll get the maiden out of the way first. |
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I made my pylons, not to much work and they look correct. I started to make them functional but thought I had enough going on with this plane. Here is a pic or two to show what I did. Hope it helps.
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I like the pylons, and super engineering in their execution , but I would like to see more regarding the hinges on the flaps ...... oh I almost forgot, the the metal work is brilliant
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Flaps are stock, However you can buy aftermarket flap hinges that work like the full scale plane. I did however try to make the ailerons, rudder and elevator like the full scale plane. Wasn't to hard but did add some construction time. My rudder is a pull/pull style with the servo in the tail, theelevators have carbon fiber push/pull rods on them. I moved the servos so they are behind the cockpit, I needed a little more room up front.
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On the ailerons and tail you can use a strip of 1/64 ply to extend the sheeting to make it look better. Sorry I don't have a picture of when I made mine. But I think there is some pics on Peter Oz's thread, just do a search there.
Ron |
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ORIGINAL: Mustangman40 Beffing up is done for now, I pretty much added TS to all the structure that I could, it sure is beefy..[img][/img] Not sure if i am alone on this, but I like to mock up the plane as I go, just for the motivational push..lol Ron's pics has me thinking about the exhaust and how i will go about the task.. The motor I am using doesn't have a wrap around out for it, so it will be a total custom exhaust. The dealer I am going with just so happens to specialize in canisters...[img][/img][img][/img] so I am hoping he can help me is this department..[img][/img][img][/img][img][/img] |
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OK............the book on the Top Flite Giant Scale P47 specifies that the scale is 1:5.6 so is this a 1/5 scaleor 1/6 scale. I'm trying to figure out the scale of the pilot figure that I need. Also, where do you guys get full body pilot figures in this scale.....nothing that breaks the bank please.
Thanks, Andy |
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Go to eBay and get yourself a 12" gijoe.
Search for pilot. You can get one around $15-20. Fabio |
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Andy,
It's 1/6 scale. As Fabio mentioned, a 1/6 scale pilot at 12" will do the trick. I have been searching for the perfect GI Joe pilot figure as well. |
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I'm using the 1/4 scale WW2 for my L4 from Vailly Aviation. They have a variety of scales. You have to paint them.
http://www.vaillyaviation.com/Intro.html Edwin |
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This is a blue box WWII figure, Cost me about $50.00 5 or 6 years ago. He's 12" tall and comes with everything a WWII pilot had. The only draw back is he needs to go on a diet.
Ron |
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Ok found the pilot.......or at least one that will do. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...8&I=LXKLE6&P=K
Now another question.........what kind of zinc chromate paint would you use for the cockpit. Will the Testor's Model Master paints work? Are they fuel proof? Also, what kind of paint would you use for the wheel wells and gear doors in that same color. Heck this is my first plane in a long time to paint so running a gas engine, what kind of paint do I use.......and yes, I glassing the plane. thanks in advance for help, Andy |
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For that price you can buy a gijoe on eBay fully clothed with flight gear and all and no painting or assembly required.
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ORIGINAL: oldtyme Ok found the pilot.......or at least one that will do. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...8&I=LXKLE6&P=K Now another question.........what kind of zinc chromate paint would you use for the cockpit. Will the Testor's Model Master paints work? Are they fuel proof? Also, what kind of paint would you use for the wheel wells and gear doors in that same color. Heck this is my first plane in a long time to paint so running a gas engine, what kind of paint do I use.......and yes, I glassing the plane. thanks in advance for help, Andy With a gas engne you don't have to be fuel proof, I am using the Model Master paint on mine, cockpit and wheel well and engine compartment. With the gas engine and the reduced engine oil most gas planes don't get near as oily as a glow plane. Ron |
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I may have a problem with my wing. I recently joined both halves, and after the dust settled and the glue dried...... i've got about 3/8" too much dihedral. It works out to about 3/16" on each wing if it's sitting level . I checked both sides at the root with the provided gauge and everything was spot on. Now after gluing everything together i find that i have to much dihedral . Do you guys think i should worry or do you think it will be ok.. Im kinda worried it will give me fits trying to mount the wing to the fuse. Not to mention trying to build the wing fillets.. Someone talk me down.. as i am typing this from the roof of my house.:(
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Lol that's funny
Anyway. I had similar problem with my build. I follow the instruction to the t and I had one side higher that the other when I joined the wing to the fuse. I sanded down one side of the saddle until it was even. For your imperfection I wouldn't worry too much about it. All rc planes fly very well with some degree of imperfection. I had a p-47 few years back which I needed to add some aileron trow just to make it fly straight. It was an ARF and it flew great that way up until I sold it. The wing fillet instructions do a good job walking you through the build to compensate for such early build inaccuracies. I would proceed with confidence toward your next building step. Just my opinion. Fabio |
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Yeah, I wouldnt worry about it. A little tweeking on the wing saddle and you should be good. The incidences are where you need to get it right.
Edwin |
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ORIGINAL: thebeave I may have a problem with my wing. I recently joined both halves, and after the dust settled and the glue dried...... i've got about 3/8" too much dihedral. It works out to about 3/16" on each wing if it's sitting level . I checked both sides at the root with the provided gauge and everything was spot on. Now after gluing everything together i find that i have to much dihedral . Do you guys think i should worry or do you think it will be ok.. Im kinda worried it will give me fits trying to mount the wing to the fuse. Not to mention trying to build the wing fillets.. Someone talk me down.. as i am typing this from the roof of my house.:( Dihedral provides lateral stability. A bit more will not be noticeable while you fly. You would never know the difference. Enjoy your flying, Zor |
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ORIGINAL: Edwin Yeah, I wouldnt worry about it. A little tweeking on the wing saddle and you should be good. <span style="color: #ff0000">The incidences are where you need to get it right. </span>Edwin I wouldn't worry none with the extra 3/8" of dihedral, like you said it works out to 3/16 at the tips when level.. If you take 3/16 at the tips it's about 1/32 if that at the fuse, Idoubt you will have any problems mounting the wing, just the normal tweaking here and there.... So come back down off the roof and keep on plugging along........http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...sn/biggrin.gif |
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Well i finally talked the wife into bringing the ladder back, so i could get down. Im in the house now and thanks for the positive re-enforcement from you all. Yeah, it's at the tips... and my fear was that i might be flying a p47 with a wing shaped like a "V". After an hour of watching DR.Phil and a little closer examination.... I am thinking that you guys are probably right. I've been on a bit of an emotional roller coaster with my build, as it is my first of this type. I went from being overly picky, to trying to be satisfied with..." as good as i could make things fit." Sorry to have jumped off the deep end on this one guys. Because the more i look at it...... the better i feel about it. THANKS.... the beave,:D
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ORIGINAL: thebeave Well i finally talked the wife into bringing the ladder back, so i could get down. Im in the house now and thanks for the positive re-enforcement from you all. Yeah, it's at the tips... and my fear was that i might be flying a p47 with a wing shaped like a ''V''. After an hour of watching DR.Phil and a little closer examination.... I am thinking that you guys are probably right. I've been on a bit of an emotional roller coaster with my build, as it is my first of this type. I went from being overly picky, to trying to be satisfied with...'' as good as i could make things fit.'' Sorry to have jumped off the deep end on this one guys. Because the more i look at it...... the better i feel about it. THANKS.... the beave,:D Ron |
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ORIGINAL: thebeave Someone talk me down.. as i am typing this from the roof of my house.:( Ron, I liked the way you have your sliding canopy set up, it's pretty sharp looking. I wanted to try and imitate it even though I wont be having a canopy that slides open. I've been piddling around with it today and this is what I came up with. Everything is made from bass wood minus the square brass for the rails. I was having a hard time finding decent photos on the internet, so I just winged it as best I could from what I could find. I guess it looks better than most ARF's anyway.;) |
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Looks pretty good. I spent about a year and four or five prototypes befor I got it to work right.
Ron |
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Hi All..........I am really in need of some help!!! I'm ready to sheet the razorback and am having difficulty with the configuration at where the rear-most spine meets the fin. Per the instructions I have glued in that spine and it hits the fin somewhere above the last former (F9). This means that the razorback is concave all the way to the fin, and it looks that way on the plans but in some pictures I have observed that the fuse is slightly round there like on the bubble top. Is the kit correct? If not that would mean that you would have to go from concave to convex at the last minute there. Also, how are you holding the concave areas of sheeting to the formers? Lots of questions but I don't want to mess up here. I have planned this build my entire life and not that I am retired and doing it I am experiencing these difficult questions (difficult for me). I have built lots of sport planes but this is my first giant and first scale so I would appreciate answers and if possible picutures before I continue. I will be sheeting the forward part of the fuse today.
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ORIGINAL: oldtyme Hi All..........I am really in need of some help!!! I'm ready to sheet the razorback and am having difficulty with the configuration at where the rear-most spine meets the fin. Per the instructions I have glued in that spine and it hits the fin somewhere above the last former (F9). This means that the razorback is concave all the way to the fin, and it looks that way on the plans but in some pictures I have observed that the fuse is slightly round there like on the bubble top. Is the kit correct? If not that would mean that you would have to go from concave to convex at the last minute there. Also, how are you holding the concave areas of sheeting to the formers? Lots of questions but I don't want to mess up here. I have planned this build my entire life and not that I am retired and doing it I am experiencing these difficult questions (difficult for me). I have built lots of sport planes but this is my first giant and first scale so I would appreciate answers and if possible picutures before I continue. I will be sheeting the forward part of the fuse today. Thanks in advance, Andy Ron |
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RW.......maybe close and I think mine will look like that....can you tell me, where on the plans you found the "stab/fin fillet pattern" that them mention on page 20 of the instruction manual and that they show on the lower right picture on that page? Also, how did you hold the concave sections of the razorback sheeting to the formers while they were drying? I'm using Titebond and when you get the first side done, the second side is not accessable so what are the tricks to this part of the sheeting.
Thanks again, Andy |
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Andy,
That pattern you are looking for has to be on the plans. Look on the sheet that has the templates for the flap and aileron skins, I think you are overlooking it. Hope this helps. |
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ORIGINAL: redbiscuits Andy, That pattern you are looking for has to be on the plans. Look on the sheet that has the templates for the flap and aileron skins, I think you are overlooking it. Hope this helps. |
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ORIGINAL: oldtyme RW.......maybe close and I think mine will look like that....can you tell me, where on the plans you found the "stab/fin fillet pattern" that them mention on page 20 of the instruction manual and that they show on the lower right picture on that page? Also, how did you hold the concave sections of the razorback sheeting to the formers while they were drying? I'm using Titebond and when you get the first side done, the second side is not accessable so what are the tricks to this part of the sheeting. Thanks again, Andy Andy, Gary is right, the pattern for the filletsis on the plans where you have all the other patterns like the aileron and flap templates.. I think it also has the patterns for the cowl chin blocks... As far as the Razor, I understand exactly what you are talking about and have some pictures that might help you past this.. The razor is kind of tricky to sheet... There are plenty of ways to skin the cat so to say, this is how I decided to do it and it came out great... When ever I have a tight cure, I always spray down my wood (both sides) with water and ammonia.. I just mix them about 75% water to ammonia in a spray bottle.. Once I have the wood good and workable I pin it in place and let it dry over night.. Pic #1-2-3 As you can see in pic 4 the next day, the wood has taken the shape.. Then I just trim and sand to fit and glue with Tite Bond and pin in place.. I got some pics of how I did the fillets that might help you out, I will post them up in a bit.. Jimbo |
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Little trick I did on my fillets..
The razor sheeting stops at former 9, glue it to the former and trim it flush to the backside.. Then you will have to add some scrap to the back of former 9 to glue the fillet in place. I always save my sheets that I punch the formers out,so I just traced the scrap off the cut out sheet.. Pic 1 Now after I cut out the fillets from the templates, I soaked them down with my water and ammonia and wrapped them around a paint can and taped them to dry over night Pic2.. Pic 3-4 show how they hold the shape the next day.. Then I sanded the little suckers till I had them fitting like i wanted and glued them in... Pic 5-6 show the end results... I hope this helps you out some.......http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f.../thumbs_up.gif Jimbo |
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Jimbo...........thank you so much for the help. Those pictures will really help me out a bunch. I am finishing sheeting the forward part of the fuse and then I will attack the "razor". Then I am going to figure out how to make a compartment for all the switches, air valve, fuel dot, etc and a hatch cover so all will be enclosed in the fuse. I figure that this will be easier before I start to build the bottom of the fuse.
Once again, thanks for responding........it really helps for us old guys to learn new tricks. Andy |
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