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Old 08-12-2006 | 10:18 AM
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7 grams, 25.5 sq. in. wing, 6.25 sq. in. canard.
Your plane is lighter than I thought so with the AA guts it would be roughly
17 grams complete. The wing area might just be enough to keep it flying
but how well is another question. Should be fast. Landings might be a bit
rough. Try steaming a slight airfoil into the wing and give it a shot.

Finished up the fuselage and ready for some glider tests. It's a bit heavy
and might come in at about 19 grams so I'm looking for ways to lighten
it up. The fuselage is adjustable to almost any degree. Hope this one works.
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Old 08-12-2006 | 11:14 AM
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After making some glider tests it flys much better with the canard
above the wing. Moving it at the fuselage joint changes the CG and
moving it at the canard joint changes the lift.
It doesn't take but a few degrees one way or another to cause a drastic
difference in the way it flys. Now I have factor in thrust from the motors
and motor angle, which no doubt, will change everything again.
Old 08-12-2006 | 11:25 AM
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looks sharp, Neurotex, canards have a certain appeal dont they? this is how they did it in the old days: http://home.att.net/~mybeasts/Europe.htm looks cool!

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Old 08-12-2006 | 11:35 AM
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Hey, thanks! Very interesting set of pics. I've seen plans for that P-5 twin
pusher decades ago but forgot all about it. Funny how these things pop up
again & again.
I noticed that some of the canards have a dihedral. I might try that if the
plane starts to roll under power.
Old 08-12-2006 | 01:27 PM
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neurotex;

It sure looks good.

Tony
Old 08-12-2006 | 01:58 PM
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Hey, the first plane I lost in the trees has been found. I expected to find this one in the Fall, but here it is, just a few feet from the tree it was stuck in. There's a lot of undergrowth there, but a tiny clearing where the plane was. My wife found this one, too.
Recovered 2 planes in 1 week. Not bad. This one is in good shape. I guess it pays not to shoot at them.
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Old 08-12-2006 | 02:51 PM
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Ayrton S when you come to perth are you bringing your AA? becuase there is an idoor fly in, I think its in september I forgot. Also how would one go about finding an indoor location? Just going to random Gyms/warehouses and asking if they mind if you play your plane?
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i hear there was indoor flying at the Midland velodrome on thursday nights?
Sama - I've just posted an X-Twin to my bro as I won't be taking any hand luggage [:@]. As for an indoor location, BTs news sounds good - also if you look at any Perth aeromodellers club on t'internet, I'm sure you'll find a ref. or at least a contact for indoors. If you pm me an email addy, we can keep in touch.

Cheers

Ayrton arriving on tuesday...
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has anyone heard more from the guy that was making a-10 warthogs from aa parts? The gentleman in question had a line of micro fliers for sale, but I have not heard anything else from him. Tim

I showed the the aa to it's advantage, and possibly sold a couple, to a neighbor. Too bad spinmaster doesn't give a damn.


BTW, if you have a Titan the line from spinmaster is that the plane is obsolete. And no support is available.
Old 08-13-2006 | 05:39 AM
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I saw his A-10 on rcgroups.
Old 08-13-2006 | 10:13 AM
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neurotex;

It sure looks good.

Tony
Out this morning with it and had a couple of good flights. I believe I've
figured out the basics of getting this type of plane to fly but there's still
some quirkyness to them I don't understand.
Adjusting the canard neck all the way up and toward the wing I can get
it to almost hover with no stalling. Adusting the neck straight out and forward
the plane is faster. Adusting the canard itself makes it climb and dive.
Still a bit unstable even after adding winglets but you can ease into turns.

If I had a way of controling the adjustable fuselage during flight I would
have one crazy stunt flyer.
The neck is broke now so (wicked nose dive) I'm going to build another
plane. Lot'a fun this one was!
Old 08-13-2006 | 12:06 PM
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Neurotex, i believe you are what they call, a "glutton for punishment." thats ok, i think a lot of us here are...lord knows i am!
Old 08-13-2006 | 12:48 PM
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I'd say, and I sure got my fill from that project!
Trying to make things easier (if that's possible) I came up with this
motor mounting set up that allows me to change wings a bit faster
in the field. The motors are glued to a CF tube which also allows me
to change the motor angle in seconds by twisting the rod in the
balsa mounts. The wings will attach just behind that seperate from
the motors.
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Old 08-14-2006 | 01:38 PM
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Neurotex

Go for it! Fly or die!
I'll be the first to say I have my "area" of failed projects. LOL
You will get it ...........just hang in there.

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6" F 16C Rudder Actuator AeroAce Gear

A new one for my getting smaller group.
You'll probably have to watch the vid more than once to catch some of the rolls!

AUW - 8.75gm
Thrust - 6.75gm
Stock AA Motor & Prop(balanced)
Lipo - 90ma Etech
Modified Receiver & Actuator - ARS Software & Innovative Solutions
2mm Depron

The vid
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=556283

Check out the new IRLML6401 Mosfet Module at our site!

Enjoy,

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Old 08-14-2006 | 05:24 PM
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Neurotex

Go for it! Fly or die!
I'll be the first to say I have my "area" of failed projects. LOL
You will get it ...........just hang in there.

Ha, yeah I think I died on that canard.... or at least for now- in the
hangar awaiting repairs.
Went back to basics with a tried & true just to get some flight time in.
Changed the stab so that it curves down on the ends it helps eliminate
porpoising but she nose dives a second just before landing. Strangest
thing, when it reaches it slowest point, she dips down. Have to land it
by giving it a light throttle right before touch down.

Love that jet you got there! Fly or die!
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Old 08-14-2006 | 07:24 PM
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Neurotex;

Thanks.

It sure seems you are so close. If it porposies and you took the canard tips down and now it dives at the slowest speed...............
It sounds like you are on each side just a bit to much. Wonder if you 1/2'd the distance you went down to stop the porpoising?
When it was porpoising, did it still dive in at slow speed? A 3rd channel would bail you out so easy.
I know SilverLit reads this stuff and we still want a 3rd channel on the AA Rx. We've almost done it for you in one thread. Be nice to have a stick on the Tx to back it up though!
I know you have a lot of time in it already.

The SkyRay I mentioned was built at 10" by FidlerEd and he said it flew well. I was in the "lets go smaller" stage then too.....
I made 3 at 6".....original airfoil, flat, modified. None ever flew ( if thats what you'd call it) the same way twice. It was just what made the safest crash. LOL
I never figured it out. They are in my "area"...........maybe some cold winter day I'll put there butts back out in the snow!

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Ayrton, did you have any luck with aamods.com? They are not returning my e mails.
Old 08-14-2006 | 09:42 PM
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It sure seems you are so close. If it porposies and you took the canard tips down and now it dives at the slowest speed...............
It sounds like you are on each side just a bit to much. Wonder if you 1/2'd the distance you went down to stop the porpoising?
When it was porpoising, did it still dive in at slow speed? A 3rd channel would bail you out so easy.
I know SilverLit reads this stuff and we still want a 3rd channel on the AA Rx. We've almost done it for you in one thread. Be nice to have a stick on the Tx to back it up though!
I know you have a lot of time in it already.



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I was close with it but no cigar. I had a few good flights, some that made no
sense what-so-ever, and a couple that were just plain weird. There was no stability
built into it for some reason. I tried everything I know of, even changed the motor
angles.
Changing the canard angle did stop the diving and yes, a third channel would have
solved the problems. I'm getting to believe that this style of plane can't be flown
properly on 2 channels. I wish someone could prove me wrong.

A nice affordable 3 channel AA- yup, that's the ticket!

Old 08-14-2006 | 10:27 PM
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makg, did you imply that spinmaster had helos on the planning board, or am I mis-remembering? Just wondering, I have to e-mail spinmaster again about my titan, bad batteries or charger.
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Good morning guys,
I know it's a little early in the AM for a lot of you guys but thought I'd throw this out there and read about it tonight.I'm one my second 06 red /black AA in two weeks. First one...out of the box...half a right hand circle..crash to the ground.Made every adjustment I could short of moving the battery.No hope for this puppy.Brought it back and got a 2nd red/black.Much to me suprise-- same deal.This time I even moved the motor forward, still crashed after 1/2 a right hand circle (would have tried left but they just wouldn't go that way).Guess this will go back too and traded for a yellow/green(my 3rd one now)which flys great right out of the box.Just curious if any one else has had problems with red/black??
Old 08-15-2006 | 08:09 AM
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my red/black one flies great. I cant believe how much fun they are in perfectly still conditions.
Old 08-15-2006 | 06:14 PM
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eiwil, My guess is that right motor was out of line. One of my green lantern specials was the same way. I ended up turning the motor several degrees out to make it fly. I think Mcneil had a similar problem. Tim
Old 08-15-2006 | 07:40 PM
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I got my heli today. This will take some mastering. But, if i can fly it, I can then think about a bigger, outdoor one for AA rescues. Tim
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The heli doesn't seem to have a foward and reverse channel. Is it always in forward mode?
Old 08-15-2006 | 08:16 PM
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Mine has forward and reverse. I'm trying to get it trimmed out. It's via a reversible tail rotor facing up. The gentleman I bought it from sent a smaller set of main rotors. It is far more stable with them. It appears that the upper rotor is for lift. Once I get to where I can fly the thing I may try mixing the rotor sets.

Also, an old, 05, AA weighs 1 gram more than the 06 AA. I haven't checked CG yet.

Tim


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