Hi:

Any ideas of how to built leading edge flaps, air brakes and operating canopy for the Skymaster F-16 1/8 scale?

I just want my model as scale as the 1/6

Guillermo,

Man you are going to turn that thing into a flying brick!!

Craig.

Hi Craig:

Hope that brick fly with flaps and slats

If not, i will send it to Jenny Craig or to a Museum.....

HAVE YOU FLOWN YOUR F-16 ????????

Not Yet

I am in a project with my cockpit.

Watch this link:

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Brick? hmmm spoken like a true nonscale guy. awesome job GB! real animation on your MFDs I think you are the first! very creative and convincing.

Guillermo, looking forward on reports how the slats will work in the small F16. I conjecture that they will help you land in shorter distances and with more control.


Enrique.

Thanks Enrique

Maybe you are right, but if they don't put in risk the model, I just want scale appearance


Anyone with ideas of how to built them, the air brakes and the operating canopy, pleas chime!!!!

Thanks bambam

You are the first guy who I receive positive comments about my animated MFD project.

As you can see in the MFD thread, anyone has any comment about them

Thanks again......

Guillermo, I think your MFD's look unbelievable! Very nice!

Have you tried obtaining photos of the full scale's LE devices? Maybe just to get the ball rolling?

Pete

Thanks Pete!!!

You are the second guy to like my project......

No, I haven't got photos of the real F-16 leding edge flaps

I know there is a scale F-16 (maybe 1/6 scale and the 1/5 scale from Netherlands), that have leading edge flaps, but for obvious reasons, I don't want to ask the manufacturers.

I hope someone who owns one, send me pictures for my private project, Not for earnign money with this project.

I daresay that they will be useful well beyond the scale appearance.. and about the goodies like the operating canopy/speedbrakes/lightning system/gear sequencer,etc I would suggest a separate receiver and battery to operate them leaving the primary controls on another receiver.. this will allow you not use a powerbox keeping the weight lower and probably having a safer setup.

Thanks Enrique

I will consider your suggestions

Very cool indeed! Taking it to the next level, thats what I am talking about! Great Job! Wish I could help with the slats.........

Thanks lear31A

Guillermo: take a look on this F-16 with slats demo.. never seen before a F-16 land this slow in a such "flat" atittude.

airstart sound as a plus too! [sm=thumbs_up.gif]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKN2s7tFBQA

Hey Enrique:

Thanks for the info

How can I get in contact with this guy?

I need information about how to reinforce the leading edge section of the wing and how to hinge the leading edge flaps because the actuating mechanism can beclearly seen in the video. The actuating servo and the horn, are located at the wings root as I was thinking.

As you can see, the landing speed is very low thanks to the leading edge and trailing edge flaps and thanks to speed brakes, despite every one commented.

Thanks again

I think that you can find Marvin Alvarez as MarvinF14 in RCU or at www.makosrcjetclub.com wich filmed that and his father built the plane.. maybe he could chime in here for the info?

Thanks Enrique

I will contact him

Guillo,

The one Mario has I think is a feiBao, which comes with the LE option already built in. You need a "hingeless" surface to make it work, the way BVM does theirs. Otherwsie you will end up with a gap between the LE Flap and the Wing..........which is not a good thing.
The LE Flap on the F-16 is just like an aileron or rudder, a very long and constant hinge line. The flap itself can go up or down.

Hey David, thanks a lot

Yes, this is a Feibao and yes, I need hingeless surface, but what kind of hige is this?

Does BVM sell it? Is a Kevlar hinge like Skymaster use in their ailerons? Where can I get this hinge?

And do I need to reinforce the leading edge at the slat trailing edge and at the wing cutted leading edge with a srtip of hard wood or balsa reiforced wiht fiberglass like the spar in the wing's trailing edge?

Once I have those answers, I think I can proceed to cut the slat. The horn is no problem because I have carbon fiber strips that I can use to cut a horn and glue it the same fashon the aileron horn is installed. I have tested the servo (Futaba 3050 digital) and there is enough room for them, installing them the same way the ailerons servo are.

I have just send an E-Mail to Marvin Alvarez, and I am waiting his answer.

Guillo, the hingeless surface is built in the molds, can't really be added after market.

Another thing to keep in mind, once you open up the wing for mod work..........God only knows what you will find in there!! I've seen some pics of SM internals and they have no ribs. If this is truly the case and you cut open the Leading Edge, you will need to create a Leading Edge spar that truly conforms to the wing airfoli, else you may affect the flight qualitites.

I don't know man, the LE flaps would look super cool but IMHO, not worth the hassle.

maybe you can get 2 sets of wings? use one as a static display, maybe even flyable if you think it can handle the loads and a regular set of wings for just plain flying. any leading edge device would provide benefit in the lift department....it's the engineering required to ensure safe sustainable operation that would be the concern.

good luck with the project[sm=thumbup.gif]

best part of the vid was the engine start up!!! that sound never gets old!!!!

Sound really cool to have all the full scale stuff but it may be a lot of extra for little gain. I just finish my Skymaster F-16 1/8 scale I change my Plain to install a P-80SE and put it in my Bobcat And Wow Wow nice Turbine. I did install the P-70 it just fit much better and I am sure it will have good speed. Iam happy to report the F-16 wt is 22 Lbs. C.G. as recommanded by skymaster 145 mm and after a few flights will adjust it accordingly to my flying still.

Hope to here your flight reports on the F-16.

Pat Martin
Wasilla Alaska

David, you are right. I have one wing that I kept from my first F-16 that I lost last year and it is partially broken and it has no ribs. Just two fibreglass reinforced balsa spars, one close to the middle of the chord and one close to the trailing edge.....Of course I have realized that I need to reinforce the cutted leading edge with two hardwood spanwise spars. My problem now is how to hinge the cutted leading edge to the wing.

Depends on the support I receive for a safe set up, I will continue or I will give up.

Until now, the comments I have received are more warning comments than how to's comments and I really appreciate it......

And I have recieved no answer from Marvin, the guy who owns the Feibao 1/5 F-16 with slats, speed brakes and operating canopy.

Anyway, thanks for yourcomments.........Seems to me that you are worried about my model safety more thanitsscale appearance

Now I need advises besides the leading edge flaps, about installing speed brakes and operating canopy.....