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26GT2 lagging at top end

Old 11-10-2007, 03:45 PM
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Default 26GT2 lagging at top end

I've got a new 26GT2. I've completed the break in w/ 30:1 per the manual and I've run about 400ml of 40:1 fuel so far. Low end setting seems right, high end is set for max rpm per PRME instructions, and ignition is per spec.
I am only getting about 5200 rpm on a Zinger 18x12 in a pusher configuration at WOT. I know this is a little more prop than recommended. Even so, 5200 is only about 1.0 HP on the MVVS prop power calculator.

Any suggestions?
Old 11-10-2007, 04:14 PM
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Default RE: 26GT2 lagging at top end

Monsieur Dupuis,


In a pusher configuration, your engine does not usually get a good cooling, unless it is in higher speed flight.

The flow is taken by the prop from all around, not necessarily from directly in front...

Add that to the very heavy prop (you need a 16x12) and what you may see is over-heating...


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ORIGINAL: dupuisma

I've got a new 26GT2. I've completed the break in w/ 30:1 per the manual and I've run about 400ml of 40:1 fuel so far. Low end setting seems right, high end is set for max rpm per PRME instructions, and ignition is per spec.
I am only getting about 5200 rpm on a Zinger 18x12 in a pusher configuration at WOT. I know this is a little more prop than recommended. Even so, 5200 is only about 1.0 HP on the MVVS prop power calculator.
Any suggestions?
Nothng much to add!
At these prop loads, the engine is strangled without any cooling. 18x10 already is a heavy load, 18x8 is OK, but in a pusher cooling is an issue that needs utmost attention and constant monitoring.
What are your cylinder top temperatures in flight?
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Default RE: 26GT2 lagging at top end

DarZeelon and Pe,

Thank you for your inputs.

I don't know what the temps are but I've got a 36" shop fan blasting the test stand on high (directly in front of the engine, co-axial with the prop and flowing in the prop direction of flow). Ambient temps have been about 68 degrees F. I'm confident heating is not the issue here.

Again, an 18x12 prop is a bit much, but this engine should be putting out 3.8 bhp at WOT no matter what prop it's turning. Yes, the larger the prop, the slower 3.8 bhp can spin it.
What I'm trying to say is that my engine, regardless of the prop, is putting out nowhere near the advertized 3.8 bhp. The MVVS prop power calculator says I'm geting just over 1.0 bhp!

Does anyone know of any power-boosting tweaks I should have done that weren't in the manual? Any common power issues with these engines I could address? Thanks for your help.
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Default RE: 26GT2 lagging at top end

Monsieur Dupuis,


The larger prop you are using is holding your engine far below its peak torque RPM...

As such, it cannot possibly come close to its performance objectives.

You must never prop any engine to below its peak-torque (you can find this 'unhealthy' range, where using a slightly 'heavier' prop will cause a greater RPM loss... because the lead is increased AND the torque is decreased).

The rated HP can only be possible, if the engine can be spun at 9,000 RPM, with a smaller than recommended prop.


You did not state what type of silencer you are using, so please see [link=http://mvvs.cz/mvvs%2026.html]this web page[/link] for bench-mark RPM numbers.

An engine spinning at a lower RPM does not give proportional HP numbers.


If you have stick-shift car and you try driving it in top-gear, at 20 mph, it will not accelerate very well...

This is what you are doing by over-propping your engine.

...And, over-heating will result despite the fan...
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Default RE: 26GT2 lagging at top end

Hi pilot,

your propeler is very havy for 26.
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Default RE: 26GT2 lagging at top end

Now getting 7600 rpm on a top flight 18x6 in puller config., which calculates out to be 2.13 hp.

Any idea where max torque is on these engines? Thanks.
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Default RE: 26GT2 lagging at top end

You must berunning a very restricting muffler. !8x6 on tuned MVVS pipe will bring about 9000 - 9200 rpm! The max torque location is very much muffler dependant.
Can you please elaborate a bit on your setup?
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Default RE: 26GT2 lagging at top end

I'm using the Evolution EVO30943400 invert wrap around from Horizon Hobby. There is no discernable rpm gain with the silencer removed. I didn't use a tuned pipe because in pusher configuration the pipe would be exhausting forward.
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Default RE: 26GT2 lagging at top end

Monsieur Dupuis,


Using a 10-12 mm aluminium U-tube at the end of the tuned-pipe, would again spew the exhaust gases backward.

I have my doubts about some of the exhausts offered for these MVVS engines by Horizon Hobbies.
Using the various silencers MVVS has actually designed, specifically for these engine would no-doubt be preferable.

If the setup in your model does not permit the use of any of the MVVS mufflers... Well, that is a better excuse, but do expect some reduction in performance.


A Bolly wood 18x6 prop at 9,200 RPM would equate to 3.39 HP.
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ORIGINAL: dupuisma

I'm using the Evolution EVO30943400 invert wrap around from Horizon Hobby. There is no discernable rpm gain with the silencer removed. I didn't use a tuned pipe because in pusher configuration the pipe would be exhausting forward.
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