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05-12-2011, 05:01 AM
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I thought it might be cabin fever over the winter when I first starting noticing an increase in bickering on RCU. Familiarity breeds contempt, and maybe too much time here and not RCing might have been the problem. But now it's well into the RC season for many of us but the bickering continues.
Interestingly, many are long time members, or at least ones with high post counts and have a history of being helpful and have always been well thought of.
Now it is a discussion forum, and many opinions are out there, so arguements are expected. However I see far too many posts that simply have no purpose other than to pick a fight or belittle someone on purpose.
RCU is a large forum, and I don't expect everyone to always play nice, but some of you guys need to get a grip on things. I've seen a really good RC forum die because of smart-aleck responses (particularly to Newbies). I don't think RCU will ever die, but I for one am getting a little tired of seeing so much crap here lately. There's plenty of other forums for me to go. I'm only a drop in the bucket when you consider the number of RCU members, but it would be a shame if others feel like I do and a significant number leave.
It's becoming unpleasant, and that's just plain to bad.
Interestingly, many are long time members, or at least ones with high post counts and have a history of being helpful and have always been well thought of.
Now it is a discussion forum, and many opinions are out there, so arguements are expected. However I see far too many posts that simply have no purpose other than to pick a fight or belittle someone on purpose.
RCU is a large forum, and I don't expect everyone to always play nice, but some of you guys need to get a grip on things. I've seen a really good RC forum die because of smart-aleck responses (particularly to Newbies). I don't think RCU will ever die, but I for one am getting a little tired of seeing so much crap here lately. There's plenty of other forums for me to go. I'm only a drop in the bucket when you consider the number of RCU members, but it would be a shame if others feel like I do and a significant number leave.
It's becoming unpleasant, and that's just plain to bad.
05-12-2011, 05:20 AM
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RE: Argumentative Members
I believe it goes in phases and cycles. I mainly hang around in the large scale forums, where things are currently more civil and relaxed than they have ever been (at one time about 2 years ago, it was arguably the most problematic forum on all of RCU), despite my being missing for nearly a year (my gratitude to the mods who stepped up to the plate during my disappearance). However, I agree I have noticed the symptomatic bickering you describe, on my return, in more than one of the more popular forums. Particularly in off topic, general, and a couple of the monster truck forums.
Bear in mind, that there has been very little moderation on the car forums for a while, and people have become somewhat more brave. Now that I am (and some of the other moderators are) back, the forums that I/we frequent will be reigned in somewhat, but sadly I don't do electric and find it hard to motivate myself to go read threads that don't interest me in the slightest, in order to 'police' them, which is always a secondary function of a moderator, after helping, promoting the desired atmosphere by setting an example, and generally keeping an eye on things.
RCU has always had comparatively strict rules (for an internet forum), which were generally very evenly enforced, but there were still many people who felt that we curtailed their freedom of speech, and called us nazis or whatever. Those with a problem with authority and not enough education to understand why we do what we do, would ironically also be the first to cry 'suckage' if we allowed everyone to behave the way they think they should be able to get away with. Hence the prevalent need of a moderator to have a thick skin.
Also bear in mind, that especially with the low numbers of moderators at the moment, we are counting on members more than ever to report the posts they find bothersome, and I can't stress this enough. We can't be everywhere all the time, and would always prefer to receive too many reports than not enough.
Finally...welcome to the internet. It's amazing the size of a man's cahonies when he knows he is immune to any kind of meaningful retribution for behaving in exactly whichever way he pleases at any given moment.
EDIT: Would you mind pointing out any forums you see as particularly problematic lately?
Bear in mind, that there has been very little moderation on the car forums for a while, and people have become somewhat more brave. Now that I am (and some of the other moderators are) back, the forums that I/we frequent will be reigned in somewhat, but sadly I don't do electric and find it hard to motivate myself to go read threads that don't interest me in the slightest, in order to 'police' them, which is always a secondary function of a moderator, after helping, promoting the desired atmosphere by setting an example, and generally keeping an eye on things.
RCU has always had comparatively strict rules (for an internet forum), which were generally very evenly enforced, but there were still many people who felt that we curtailed their freedom of speech, and called us nazis or whatever. Those with a problem with authority and not enough education to understand why we do what we do, would ironically also be the first to cry 'suckage' if we allowed everyone to behave the way they think they should be able to get away with. Hence the prevalent need of a moderator to have a thick skin.
Also bear in mind, that especially with the low numbers of moderators at the moment, we are counting on members more than ever to report the posts they find bothersome, and I can't stress this enough. We can't be everywhere all the time, and would always prefer to receive too many reports than not enough.
Finally...welcome to the internet. It's amazing the size of a man's cahonies when he knows he is immune to any kind of meaningful retribution for behaving in exactly whichever way he pleases at any given moment.
EDIT: Would you mind pointing out any forums you see as particularly problematic lately?
05-12-2011, 06:07 AM
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Oh-oh. I didn't intend to take a poke at the Moderators. I'm sure the Mods are busy checking things out and fixing the offensive. And I suspect that's a fair amount of work. Most of what I'm talking about is pushy and taunting, more unpleasant and annoying than offensive.
What I'm trying to say is "Members; Moderate yourselves". And judging by Foxy's post of having too few Moderator's, makes it even more appropriate to do so.
What I'm trying to say is "Members; Moderate yourselves". And judging by Foxy's post of having too few Moderator's, makes it even more appropriate to do so.
05-12-2011, 06:34 AM
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I will admit I started a slight argument this week, but admitted I was wrong in the end once a link to the proper data was posted. My original argument was based off what turned out to be a half assed spec page by a hobby shop, seems they had final gear ratio labeled as roll out.
But there are a lot of people no matter how idiotic their argument is they are right, even though they have no experience in the field, and have 10 others saying they are dead wrong showing them things that say they are wrong. The only evidence they have to they are right is usually some post made by someone else without a clue on another forum (generally rc-monster, which seems to be home to the clueless masses)
But there are a lot of people no matter how idiotic their argument is they are right, even though they have no experience in the field, and have 10 others saying they are dead wrong showing them things that say they are wrong. The only evidence they have to they are right is usually some post made by someone else without a clue on another forum (generally rc-monster, which seems to be home to the clueless masses)
05-12-2011, 07:27 AM
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grrrrrr blah blah blah, me right u wrong blah blah blah, cool story bro, blah blah blah.
im as bull-headed as the next guy, but i make sure im right before i say it, and i know when to stop, some people just let i ride and get ticked at letters on a white screen. trivial.
im as bull-headed as the next guy, but i make sure im right before i say it, and i know when to stop, some people just let i ride and get ticked at letters on a white screen. trivial.
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Eh. I never seem to have problems.. Every once in a while you get the "I know everything but im going to ask you anyways for advice just to disagree with everything you say" but other than that never any problems.
05-12-2011, 09:18 AM
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ORIGINAL: Ttam Says Blarg
Eh. I never seem to have problems.. Every once in a while you get the ''I know everything but im going to ask you anyways for advice just to disagree with everything you say'' but other than that never any problems.
Eh. I never seem to have problems.. Every once in a while you get the ''I know everything but im going to ask you anyways for advice just to disagree with everything you say'' but other than that never any problems.
Or the "Which RC should I buy" threads which ask for help picking an RC then after ppl give their input(and sometimes start a huge argument) they are like" Ohh I decided to buy something no one said or even heard of" than 2 weeks later they make a thread "help my RC broke this hobby sucks". Those threads seem to pop up on nitro more often.
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I like the large scale forums as well. They are pretty level headed for the most part. It got out of hand when DC2 man was around.
05-12-2011, 10:52 AM
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This is without a doubt one of my favorite forums. I think I may have broken the rules once or twice, but never had any real problems with the other users, moderators, or the forum itself. Overall, there's a reason I keep coming back here year after year. 
I just ignore the people who try and start arguments over nothing. It simply isn't worth the energy.
I just ignore the people who try and start arguments over nothing. It simply isn't worth the energy.
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ORIGINAL: Argess
Oh-oh. I didn't intend to take a poke at the Moderators. I'm sure the Mods are busy checking things out and fixing the offensive. And I suspect that's a fair amount of work. Most of what I'm talking about is pushy and taunting, more unpleasant and annoying than offensive.
What I'm trying to say is ''Members; Moderate yourselves''. And judging by Foxy's post of having too few Moderator's, makes it even more appropriate to do so.
Oh-oh. I didn't intend to take a poke at the Moderators. I'm sure the Mods are busy checking things out and fixing the offensive. And I suspect that's a fair amount of work. Most of what I'm talking about is pushy and taunting, more unpleasant and annoying than offensive.
What I'm trying to say is ''Members; Moderate yourselves''. And judging by Foxy's post of having too few Moderator's, makes it even more appropriate to do so.
05-13-2011, 07:30 AM
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I thought it might be cabin fever over the winter when I first starting noticing an increase in bickering on RCU. Familiarity breeds contempt, and maybe too much time here and not RCing might have been the problem. But now it's well into the RC season for many of us but the bickering continues.
Interestingly, many are long time members, or at least ones with high post counts and have a history of being helpful and have always been well thought of.
Now it is a discussion forum, and many opinions are out there, so arguements are expected. However I see far too many posts that simply have no purpose other than to pick a fight or belittle someone on purpose.
RCU is a large forum, and I don't expect everyone to always play nice, but some of you guys need to get a grip on things. I've seen a really good RC forum die because of smart-aleck responses (particularly to Newbies). I don't think RCU will ever die, but I for one am getting a little tired of seeing so much crap here lately. There's plenty of other forums for me to go. I'm only a drop in the bucket when you consider the number of RCU members, but it would be a shame if others feel like I do and a significant number leave.
It's becoming unpleasant, and that's just plain to bad.
I thought it might be cabin fever over the winter when I first starting noticing an increase in bickering on RCU. Familiarity breeds contempt, and maybe too much time here and not RCing might have been the problem. But now it's well into the RC season for many of us but the bickering continues.
Interestingly, many are long time members, or at least ones with high post counts and have a history of being helpful and have always been well thought of.
Now it is a discussion forum, and many opinions are out there, so arguements are expected. However I see far too many posts that simply have no purpose other than to pick a fight or belittle someone on purpose.
RCU is a large forum, and I don't expect everyone to always play nice, but some of you guys need to get a grip on things. I've seen a really good RC forum die because of smart-aleck responses (particularly to Newbies). I don't think RCU will ever die, but I for one am getting a little tired of seeing so much crap here lately. There's plenty of other forums for me to go. I'm only a drop in the bucket when you consider the number of RCU members, but it would be a shame if others feel like I do and a significant number leave.
It's becoming unpleasant, and that's just plain to bad.
] I am really glad that you are back, maybe I will start posting again to. Mind you Foxy I still want to know what happened to that 1/5 scale chases scene you were going to do
P.S. Argress if I am one of the members you are referring to, I am really sorry, I hope I would never come off as being that way.
05-13-2011, 10:20 AM
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ORIGINAL: warheadforever
You, sir are completely correct my friend, once you left Foxy, they got Sheo to help keep things in control, and thenwhen he like fell of the face of the earth, we we stuck with no mods and it got crazy, [&:][] I am really glad that you are back, maybe I will start posting again to.
Mind you Foxy I still want to know what happened to that 1/5 scale chases scene you were going to do
P.S. Argress if I am one of the members you are referring to, I am really sorry, I hope I would never come off as being that way.
ORIGINAL: Argess
I thought it might be cabin fever over the winter when I first starting noticing an increase in bickering on RCU. Familiarity breeds contempt, and maybe too much time here and not RCing might have been the problem. But now it's well into the RC season for many of us but the bickering continues.
Interestingly, many are long time members, or at least ones with high post counts and have a history of being helpful and have always been well thought of.
Now it is a discussion forum, and many opinions are out there, so arguements are expected. However I see far too many posts that simply have no purpose other than to pick a fight or belittle someone on purpose.
RCU is a large forum, and I don't expect everyone to always play nice, but some of you guys need to get a grip on things. I've seen a really good RC forum die because of smart-aleck responses (particularly to Newbies). I don't think RCU will ever die, but I for one am getting a little tired of seeing so much crap here lately. There's plenty of other forums for me to go. I'm only a drop in the bucket when you consider the number of RCU members, but it would be a shame if others feel like I do and a significant number leave.
It's becoming unpleasant, and that's just plain to bad.
I thought it might be cabin fever over the winter when I first starting noticing an increase in bickering on RCU. Familiarity breeds contempt, and maybe too much time here and not RCing might have been the problem. But now it's well into the RC season for many of us but the bickering continues.
Interestingly, many are long time members, or at least ones with high post counts and have a history of being helpful and have always been well thought of.
Now it is a discussion forum, and many opinions are out there, so arguements are expected. However I see far too many posts that simply have no purpose other than to pick a fight or belittle someone on purpose.
RCU is a large forum, and I don't expect everyone to always play nice, but some of you guys need to get a grip on things. I've seen a really good RC forum die because of smart-aleck responses (particularly to Newbies). I don't think RCU will ever die, but I for one am getting a little tired of seeing so much crap here lately. There's plenty of other forums for me to go. I'm only a drop in the bucket when you consider the number of RCU members, but it would be a shame if others feel like I do and a significant number leave.
It's becoming unpleasant, and that's just plain to bad.
] I am really glad that you are back, maybe I will start posting again to. Mind you Foxy I still want to know what happened to that 1/5 scale chases scene you were going to do
P.S. Argress if I am one of the members you are referring to, I am really sorry, I hope I would never come off as being that way.
05-13-2011, 02:56 PM
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ORIGINAL: Foxy
Finally...welcome to the internet. It's amazing the size of a man's cahonies when he knows he is immune to any kind of meaningful retribution for behaving in exactly whichever way he pleases at any given moment.
EDIT: Would you mind pointing out any forums you see as particularly problematic lately?
Finally...welcome to the internet. It's amazing the size of a man's cahonies when he knows he is immune to any kind of meaningful retribution for behaving in exactly whichever way he pleases at any given moment.
EDIT: Would you mind pointing out any forums you see as particularly problematic lately?
Bravo, Foxy!
I firmly believe that the anonymity of the internet has played a role in the decline of civility in society.
As to which forums may be more problematic, probably (but not definitively) the car forums due to what I perceive as a younger, less mature group. Not to say that age necessarily produces maturity. (
Just look at me.)jess
05-13-2011, 07:08 PM
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Shoooot...if you wanna see pro's doing it....go to the AMA forum. It has been a clown town over there since day one. Everyone is right and no one will admit it. I am talking baout the AMA section of RCU that is.
05-13-2011, 08:00 PM
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sounds like the tank forum
tamiya vs henglong they start sounding like 4 year olds (mostly the tamiya guys) argument basically ends up my tanks better than yours cause it costs over 10X more (seriously they do heng longs are $70 vs $1000+ tamiyas [:@])
most the guys I find that start the arguments I'm pretty sure are retired from the way they talk
tamiya vs henglong they start sounding like 4 year olds (mostly the tamiya guys) argument basically ends up my tanks better than yours cause it costs over 10X more (seriously they do heng longs are $70 vs $1000+ tamiyas [:@])
most the guys I find that start the arguments I'm pretty sure are retired from the way they talk
05-14-2011, 04:53 AM
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ORIGINAL: SyCo_VeNoM
sounds like the tank forum
tamiya vs henglong they start sounding like 4 year olds (mostly the tamiya guys) argument basically ends up my tanks better than yours cause it costs over 10X more (seriously they do heng longs are $70 vs $1000+ tamiyas [:@])
most the guys I find that start the arguments I'm pretty sure are retired from the way they talk
sounds like the tank forum
tamiya vs henglong they start sounding like 4 year olds (mostly the tamiya guys) argument basically ends up my tanks better than yours cause it costs over 10X more (seriously they do heng longs are $70 vs $1000+ tamiyas [:@])
most the guys I find that start the arguments I'm pretty sure are retired from the way they talk
05-14-2011, 08:17 AM
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RE: Argumentative Members
ORIGINAL: proanti1
Well, its pretty much all Tamiya guys... not just the tank ones. I never thought someone would scream on the internet just to defend the honor of a frog, which is basically one of the worst rc cars ever made.
ORIGINAL: SyCo_VeNoM
sounds like the tank forum
tamiya vs henglong they start sounding like 4 year olds (mostly the tamiya guys) argument basically ends up my tanks better than yours cause it costs over 10X more (seriously they do heng longs are $70 vs $1000+ tamiyas [:@])
most the guys I find that start the arguments I'm pretty sure are retired from the way they talk
sounds like the tank forum
tamiya vs henglong they start sounding like 4 year olds (mostly the tamiya guys) argument basically ends up my tanks better than yours cause it costs over 10X more (seriously they do heng longs are $70 vs $1000+ tamiyas [:@])
most the guys I find that start the arguments I'm pretty sure are retired from the way they talk
But seriously its funny people go in asking for a recommendation for a starter tank, and are not sure if they will stay with tanks (seriously they get boring pretty damn fast), and they start screaming tamiya saying the HL are crap cause the tamiyas are more accurate to scale. Personally I'm glad I bought a $70 HL tank when I tried that aspect out
Now the tamiya die hards also don't say they enter tank competitions every month & battle other tank drivers which needs special electronics which come with the tamiyas(the electronics can be installed in the HL but cost somewhere between $70-150, and a few other things have to be changed which adds up the bill). So yes for them the tamiya is worth it, but they just can't figure that out that not everyone enters the tank wars.
In a way its similar to how someone just wanting a cheap truck to putt around on the grass in their yard are recommended savage flux's, and other ludicrously priced RC's where a cheap ass redcat would suffice. I know it happens in the plane forum as well. When I asked for help ppl were naming $700 kits [:@]
Side note wish the closest track wasn't 50+ miles away I would love to take my hornet to go race it at a track for fun
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ORIGINAL: proanti1
Well, its pretty much all Tamiya guys... not just the tank ones. I never thought someone would scream on the internet just to defend the honor of a frog, which is basically one of the worst rc cars ever made.
ORIGINAL: SyCo_VeNoM
sounds like the tank forum
tamiya vs henglong they start sounding like 4 year olds (mostly the tamiya guys) argument basically ends up my tanks better than yours cause it costs over 10X more (seriously they do heng longs are $70 vs $1000+ tamiyas [:@])
most the guys I find that start the arguments I'm pretty sure are retired from the way they talk
sounds like the tank forum
tamiya vs henglong they start sounding like 4 year olds (mostly the tamiya guys) argument basically ends up my tanks better than yours cause it costs over 10X more (seriously they do heng longs are $70 vs $1000+ tamiyas [:@])
most the guys I find that start the arguments I'm pretty sure are retired from the way they talk
05-14-2011, 08:58 AM
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ORIGINAL: The Hedgehog
Ignorance starts arguments a lot. Case in point this guys post. Obviously 14 year olds will not know the history of RC Cars very well.
ORIGINAL: proanti1
Well, its pretty much all Tamiya guys... not just the tank ones. I never thought someone would scream on the internet just to defend the honor of a frog, which is basically one of the worst rc cars ever made.
ORIGINAL: SyCo_VeNoM
sounds like the tank forum
tamiya vs henglong they start sounding like 4 year olds (mostly the tamiya guys) argument basically ends up my tanks better than yours cause it costs over 10X more (seriously they do heng longs are $70 vs $1000+ tamiyas [:@])
most the guys I find that start the arguments I'm pretty sure are retired from the way they talk
sounds like the tank forum
tamiya vs henglong they start sounding like 4 year olds (mostly the tamiya guys) argument basically ends up my tanks better than yours cause it costs over 10X more (seriously they do heng longs are $70 vs $1000+ tamiyas [:@])
most the guys I find that start the arguments I'm pretty sure are retired from the way they talk