Ford Mustang, Where is the Cobra?
07-13-2010, 07:40 AM
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RE: Ford Mustang, Where is the Cobra?
I agree ford spent to much money for this to be a mustang only engine, we'll see it in trucks and suvs eventually, rumor is roush was able to get 500 hp NA, A roush employee has said 700 hp was easy with twin turbos, the design team built the motor to be NA with 11:1 compression but also took steps to strengthen the block for forced induction later. Low compression pistons/shortblocks will hopefully be an an early option
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RE: Ford Mustang, Where is the Cobra?
well i was reading all kinds of crap about the new engines. the svt raptor sports a 6.2L engine or soon will. so the word is a version of that will make its way into the new shelby gt500[X(] they had a compact v8 diesel 4.4L for the f150 but have not heard anything more about it. Ford is doing a good job now, not just saying this cause i like fords. they are as good if not better then other brands, not me saying this this is the auto world. it must hurt some mags to say the ford is better then a toyota or honda or bmw whatever because a lot of them just hate american car companys no matter what they build or how good it is. they will sing all kinds of crap about vw toyotas hondas even if what they have is junk because who makes it. the ford mustang is one of the best few problems cars on the road. http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/auto...-cars-of-2010/
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RE: Ford Mustang, Where is the Cobra?
I have heard the physical size of the 6.2 will keep it out of mustangs, in trucks it will probably boil down to cost as the 4 v 5.0 makes about the same power as the 6.2 2 valve, the bore spacing on the 6.2 is oversquare, it'll be able to make 427s again if they ever choose to do it. The 4.4 diesel has been in testing and may come in a half year varient very soon, from what I have heard it should be around 340 hp and 430 ft lbs once its EPA certified, more than enough to tow all but the biggest stuff.
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RE: Ford Mustang, Where is the Cobra?
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the thing is, the mustang is a muscle car, most want low end grunt. high rpm is good for smaller/lighter sports cars.
heck, my dakota used to spin the tires on demand and just pin you to your seat, my miata, although faster, does not care how much gas your giving it, if its not past 4krpm, your not going anywhere, its funny, it tugs harder the faster you go.
any info on the 5.0? DOHC VVT direct injection ect. im too tired to look.
the thing is, the mustang is a muscle car, most want low end grunt. high rpm is good for smaller/lighter sports cars.
heck, my dakota used to spin the tires on demand and just pin you to your seat, my miata, although faster, does not care how much gas your giving it, if its not past 4krpm, your not going anywhere, its funny, it tugs harder the faster you go.
any info on the 5.0? DOHC VVT direct injection ect. im too tired to look.
You've never driven an R code 289 it seems. Those were NOT torquey engines
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RE: Ford Mustang, Where is the Cobra?
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We were talking about the V6 model. If one cares about burning rubber, he or she should get the GT! To get 305hp out of that V6 isn't bad. If they have to use high rpm, so be it!
I think the new Mustang is pretty sweet! Got to go with the 5.0, though!
We were talking about the V6 model. If one cares about burning rubber, he or she should get the GT! To get 305hp out of that V6 isn't bad. If they have to use high rpm, so be it!
I think the new Mustang is pretty sweet! Got to go with the 5.0, though!
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The Mustang, UNTIL the '84 5.0, in big power trim made power at the top of the rev range. Boss 302, GT350, etc.
You've never driven an R code 289 it seems. Those were NOT torquey engines
The Mustang, UNTIL the '84 5.0, in big power trim made power at the top of the rev range. Boss 302, GT350, etc.
You've never driven an R code 289 it seems. Those were NOT torquey engines
Lower RPMs? unfortunately, if I remember the torque curve corretly, it was under 250ft-lbf in the lower RPM bandwidth. I think it was just barely over 200ft-lbf at 2000RPM.
If someone can find the 60's Boss 302 dyno chart, please post it; it has been years since I have seen it.
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RE: Ford Mustang, Where is the Cobra?
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The V6 is forced induction, LB. And can smoke the tires fine.
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We were talking about the V6 model. If one cares about burning rubber, he or she should get the GT! To get 305hp out of that V6 isn't bad. If they have to use high rpm, so be it!
I think the new Mustang is pretty sweet! Got to go with the 5.0, though!
We were talking about the V6 model. If one cares about burning rubber, he or she should get the GT! To get 305hp out of that V6 isn't bad. If they have to use high rpm, so be it!
I think the new Mustang is pretty sweet! Got to go with the 5.0, though!
07-14-2010, 08:16 AM
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RE: Ford Mustang, Where is the Cobra?
my chassis dyno notes show one 289 k code at 170 hp @4800 and 220 ft lbs @3200, another 200 @ 5600 and 240 @ 3300 so you can see them little 289s had to be reved to make haste. The only real dyno notes I got for a 289 had twisted wedge heads for 10:1, e 303 roller cam, victor junior, 650 holley, msd ignition and headers, it made 390 hp @ 7000 and 340 ft lbs @ 2900
the 290 hp and 290 ft lbs for the boss 302 was a trick, the factory put on rev limiters (5800 rpm or so-this is why you always see the boss 302 listed 290 hp@ 5800) and retarded the timing, half the hurst rental cars were cut up in parking lots at drag strips across the country as it was worth two seconds to cut one wire and wiggle a distributor. The output is closer to 400 @ 7500 and 325 @ 4400 with the timing right and such, since they were all in manual transmission cars with at least 3.70 gearing it was not a big deal, just don't jump on the holley until your at 2500 rpm and you'll be good LOL.
the 290 hp and 290 ft lbs for the boss 302 was a trick, the factory put on rev limiters (5800 rpm or so-this is why you always see the boss 302 listed 290 hp@ 5800) and retarded the timing, half the hurst rental cars were cut up in parking lots at drag strips across the country as it was worth two seconds to cut one wire and wiggle a distributor. The output is closer to 400 @ 7500 and 325 @ 4400 with the timing right and such, since they were all in manual transmission cars with at least 3.70 gearing it was not a big deal, just don't jump on the holley until your at 2500 rpm and you'll be good LOL.
07-14-2010, 01:29 PM
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ORIGINAL: ThunderbirdJunkie
The Mustang, UNTIL the '84 5.0, in big power trim made power at the top of the rev range. Boss 302, GT350, etc.
You've never driven an R code 289 it seems. Those were NOT torquey engines
ORIGINAL: The_Shark
the thing is, the mustang is a muscle car, most want low end grunt. high rpm is good for smaller/lighter sports cars.
heck, my dakota used to spin the tires on demand and just pin you to your seat, my miata, although faster, does not care how much gas your giving it, if its not past 4krpm, your not going anywhere, its funny, it tugs harder the faster you go.
any info on the 5.0? DOHC VVT direct injection ect. im too tired to look.
the thing is, the mustang is a muscle car, most want low end grunt. high rpm is good for smaller/lighter sports cars.
heck, my dakota used to spin the tires on demand and just pin you to your seat, my miata, although faster, does not care how much gas your giving it, if its not past 4krpm, your not going anywhere, its funny, it tugs harder the faster you go.
any info on the 5.0? DOHC VVT direct injection ect. im too tired to look.
You've never driven an R code 289 it seems. Those were NOT torquey engines
07-14-2010, 01:33 PM
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...it made 390 hp @ 7000 and 340 ft lbs @ 2900...
...it made 390 hp @ 7000 and 340 ft lbs @ 2900...
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the r code is the SOHC they used in the town cars or is it the DOHC cobra engine? ive driven both.
ORIGINAL: ThunderbirdJunkie
The Mustang, UNTIL the '84 5.0, in big power trim made power at the top of the rev range. Boss 302, GT350, etc.
You've never driven an R code 289 it seems. Those were NOT torquey engines
ORIGINAL: The_Shark
the thing is, the mustang is a muscle car, most want low end grunt. high rpm is good for smaller/lighter sports cars.
heck, my dakota used to spin the tires on demand and just pin you to your seat, my miata, although faster, does not care how much gas your giving it, if its not past 4krpm, your not going anywhere, its funny, it tugs harder the faster you go.
any info on the 5.0? DOHC VVT direct injection ect. im too tired to look.
the thing is, the mustang is a muscle car, most want low end grunt. high rpm is good for smaller/lighter sports cars.
heck, my dakota used to spin the tires on demand and just pin you to your seat, my miata, although faster, does not care how much gas your giving it, if its not past 4krpm, your not going anywhere, its funny, it tugs harder the faster you go.
any info on the 5.0? DOHC VVT direct injection ect. im too tired to look.
You've never driven an R code 289 it seems. Those were NOT torquey engines
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RE: Ford Mustang, Where is the Cobra?
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no its not, thems 305 natural horses, that v6 has the ability to grow to 4.0 litres it hey want, the ecoboost twin turbo version is factory at 360 hp and supports to 450 supposedly in 3.7 form.
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The V6 is forced induction, LB. And can smoke the tires fine.
ORIGINAL: Lunchboxer
We were talking about the V6 model. If one cares about burning rubber, he or she should get the GT! To get 305hp out of that V6 isn't bad. If they have to use high rpm, so be it!
I think the new Mustang is pretty sweet! Got to go with the 5.0, though!
We were talking about the V6 model. If one cares about burning rubber, he or she should get the GT! To get 305hp out of that V6 isn't bad. If they have to use high rpm, so be it!
I think the new Mustang is pretty sweet! Got to go with the 5.0, though!
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ide/index.html
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RE: Ford Mustang, Where is the Cobra?
Whooo, now it's a party, TBJ's gone hostile!
Alls I can say is, Chevy better get the Camaro's get up and go right in a hurry. The Mustang's kicking it's big old booty right now and it'll be slaughtered if they don't do something in a year or so.
Alls I can say is, Chevy better get the Camaro's get up and go right in a hurry. The Mustang's kicking it's big old booty right now and it'll be slaughtered if they don't do something in a year or so.
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RE: Ford Mustang, Where is the Cobra?
the camaro is nice so is the mustang. will say the mustang is a little better inside for driving. easy to see things around you. camaro takes a little to get use to.
07-14-2010, 08:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: ThunderbirdJunkie
No you eg-no-ra-moose, the R code 289 is a '64 to early production '68 7,500 rpm OHV 289ci V8. Good lord, Mustangs WERE built before 1996. Stop talking about crap if you don't know what's going on. The 4.6 is a 281, and a COMPLETELY different engine, so you weren't even close
ORIGINAL: The_Shark
the r code is the SOHC they used in the town cars or is it the DOHC cobra engine? ive driven both.
ORIGINAL: ThunderbirdJunkie
The Mustang, UNTIL the '84 5.0, in big power trim made power at the top of the rev range. Boss 302, GT350, etc.
You've never driven an R code 289 it seems. Those were NOT torquey engines
ORIGINAL: The_Shark
the thing is, the mustang is a muscle car, most want low end grunt. high rpm is good for smaller/lighter sports cars.
heck, my dakota used to spin the tires on demand and just pin you to your seat, my miata, although faster, does not care how much gas your giving it, if its not past 4krpm, your not going anywhere, its funny, it tugs harder the faster you go.
any info on the 5.0? DOHC VVT direct injection ect. im too tired to look.
the thing is, the mustang is a muscle car, most want low end grunt. high rpm is good for smaller/lighter sports cars.
heck, my dakota used to spin the tires on demand and just pin you to your seat, my miata, although faster, does not care how much gas your giving it, if its not past 4krpm, your not going anywhere, its funny, it tugs harder the faster you go.
any info on the 5.0? DOHC VVT direct injection ect. im too tired to look.
You've never driven an R code 289 it seems. Those were NOT torquey engines
im sorry, im not a history book worm and do not like found on road deads. i have too much on my plate to worry about vin codes and stats and even less time for arguing of over the net.[sm=thumbs_up.gif]
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RE: Ford Mustang, Where is the Cobra?
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yes, i have driven two of those, a 67 and a 66, cant tell you about performance as i was just pulling them in and out of the alignment rack.
im sorry, im not a history book worm and do not like found on road deads. i have too much on my plate to worry about vin codes and stats and even less time for arguing of over the net.[sm=thumbs_up.gif]
ORIGINAL: ThunderbirdJunkie
No you eg-no-ra-moose, the R code 289 is a '64 to early production '68 7,500 rpm OHV 289ci V8. Good lord, Mustangs WERE built before 1996. Stop talking about crap if you don't know what's going on. The 4.6 is a 281, and a COMPLETELY different engine, so you weren't even close
ORIGINAL: The_Shark
the r code is the SOHC they used in the town cars or is it the DOHC cobra engine? ive driven both.
ORIGINAL: ThunderbirdJunkie
The Mustang, UNTIL the '84 5.0, in big power trim made power at the top of the rev range. Boss 302, GT350, etc.
You've never driven an R code 289 it seems. Those were NOT torquey engines
ORIGINAL: The_Shark
the thing is, the mustang is a muscle car, most want low end grunt. high rpm is good for smaller/lighter sports cars.
heck, my dakota used to spin the tires on demand and just pin you to your seat, my miata, although faster, does not care how much gas your giving it, if its not past 4krpm, your not going anywhere, its funny, it tugs harder the faster you go.
any info on the 5.0? DOHC VVT direct injection ect. im too tired to look.
the thing is, the mustang is a muscle car, most want low end grunt. high rpm is good for smaller/lighter sports cars.
heck, my dakota used to spin the tires on demand and just pin you to your seat, my miata, although faster, does not care how much gas your giving it, if its not past 4krpm, your not going anywhere, its funny, it tugs harder the faster you go.
any info on the 5.0? DOHC VVT direct injection ect. im too tired to look.
You've never driven an R code 289 it seems. Those were NOT torquey engines
im sorry, im not a history book worm and do not like found on road deads. i have too much on my plate to worry about vin codes and stats and even less time for arguing of over the net.[sm=thumbs_up.gif]
B: Then why are you arguing on the internet?
C: Found on road deads? Cute, coming from a guy that has a Ford himself.
D: What kind of CRAP TECHNICIAN doesn't test-drive his alignments?
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Whooo, now it's a party, TBJ's gone hostile!
Alls I can say is, Chevy better get the Camaro's get up and go right in a hurry. The Mustang's kicking it's big old booty right now and it'll be slaughtered if they don't do something in a year or so.
Whooo, now it's a party, TBJ's gone hostile!
Alls I can say is, Chevy better get the Camaro's get up and go right in a hurry. The Mustang's kicking it's big old booty right now and it'll be slaughtered if they don't do something in a year or so.
And if that is not enough, GM might just take the leap and just offer only the V8 in all their Camaro trims (well, just a rumor I heard, I find it hard to believe that GM would eliminate the V6 from their base model).
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RE: Ford Mustang, Where is the Cobra?
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Learn to read.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ide/index.html
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no its not, thems 305 natural horses, that v6 has the ability to grow to 4.0 litres it hey want, the ecoboost twin turbo version is factory at 360 hp and supports to 450 supposedly in 3.7 form.
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The V6 is forced induction, LB. And can smoke the tires fine.
ORIGINAL: Lunchboxer
We were talking about the V6 model. If one cares about burning rubber, he or she should get the GT! To get 305hp out of that V6 isn't bad. If they have to use high rpm, so be it!
I think the new Mustang is pretty sweet! Got to go with the 5.0, though!
We were talking about the V6 model. If one cares about burning rubber, he or she should get the GT! To get 305hp out of that V6 isn't bad. If they have to use high rpm, so be it!
I think the new Mustang is pretty sweet! Got to go with the 5.0, though!
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ide/index.html
07-15-2010, 07:20 AM
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the 289 r codes were 271 hp k code motors with better intake and cam to make 306 @6000 and 329 @4200 what I understand they only went in GT 350R Shelby mustangs and came with an all out race package suspension and what not but cost like $6000 as an option, as much as the shebly itself only 36 sold.
Got $995,000 there is one for sale, the seller claims less than 25 left
http://www.classicmustang.com/images...tangheader.jpg
Got $995,000 there is one for sale, the seller claims less than 25 left
http://www.classicmustang.com/images...tangheader.jpg
07-15-2010, 12:45 PM
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A: R code was a limited production engine. You likely have never been within 100 feet of one.
B: Then why are you arguing on the internet?
C: Found on road deads? Cute, coming from a guy that has a Ford himself.
D: What kind of CRAP TECHNICIAN doesn't test-drive his alignments?
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yes, i have driven two of those, a 67 and a 66, cant tell you about performance as i was just pulling them in and out of the alignment rack.
im sorry, im not a history book worm and do not like found on road deads. i have too much on my plate to worry about vin codes and stats and even less time for arguing of over the net.[sm=thumbs_up.gif]
ORIGINAL: ThunderbirdJunkie
No you eg-no-ra-moose, the R code 289 is a '64 to early production '68 7,500 rpm OHV 289ci V8. Good lord, Mustangs WERE built before 1996. Stop talking about crap if you don't know what's going on. The 4.6 is a 281, and a COMPLETELY different engine, so you weren't even close
ORIGINAL: The_Shark
the r code is the SOHC they used in the town cars or is it the DOHC cobra engine? ive driven both.
ORIGINAL: ThunderbirdJunkie
The Mustang, UNTIL the '84 5.0, in big power trim made power at the top of the rev range. Boss 302, GT350, etc.
You've never driven an R code 289 it seems. Those were NOT torquey engines
ORIGINAL: The_Shark
the thing is, the mustang is a muscle car, most want low end grunt. high rpm is good for smaller/lighter sports cars.
heck, my dakota used to spin the tires on demand and just pin you to your seat, my miata, although faster, does not care how much gas your giving it, if its not past 4krpm, your not going anywhere, its funny, it tugs harder the faster you go.
any info on the 5.0? DOHC VVT direct injection ect. im too tired to look.
the thing is, the mustang is a muscle car, most want low end grunt. high rpm is good for smaller/lighter sports cars.
heck, my dakota used to spin the tires on demand and just pin you to your seat, my miata, although faster, does not care how much gas your giving it, if its not past 4krpm, your not going anywhere, its funny, it tugs harder the faster you go.
any info on the 5.0? DOHC VVT direct injection ect. im too tired to look.
You've never driven an R code 289 it seems. Those were NOT torquey engines
im sorry, im not a history book worm and do not like found on road deads. i have too much on my plate to worry about vin codes and stats and even less time for arguing of over the net.[sm=thumbs_up.gif]
B: Then why are you arguing on the internet?
C: Found on road deads? Cute, coming from a guy that has a Ford himself.
D: What kind of CRAP TECHNICIAN doesn't test-drive his alignments?
what kind of person is so brash to someone they never met? like said, i could dig up tons of info and bring it up like im some kind of god of cars, but im too busy and mature for that kind of thing. the 60's and 70's are way before my time.
im getting tired of this TBJ, lets act like grown ups.
can we get back on subject now?
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RE: Ford Mustang, Where is the Cobra?
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N/A power, man.. no FI..
N/A power, man.. no FI..
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The V6 is forced induction, LB. And can smoke the tires fine.
The V6 is forced induction, LB. And can smoke the tires fine.
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Twin turbo and makes only 305hps.. that will be early-90s technology then..
Twin turbo and makes only 305hps.. that will be early-90s technology then..